Who has technology that can do 15,000 mph and cut 90 degree corners?

[A51Watcher]

Maybe John Lear can answer this. If not, can anyone please?

To my knowledge, no has this capability.

Further still, who had this capability in 1947?

[zorgon]

To my knowledge, no has this capability.

Plasma Critters do   Since they are just made of energy, inertia doesn't effect them

[A51Watcher]

Plasma Critters do   Since they are just made of energy, inertia doesn't effect them

And they fly in V formations and are silver and reflect sunlight?

[Canine]

they have 3D laser holograms too. the civilian ones can do some neato stuff.

that can make an object that moves fast for the same reason the critters do, being plasma and whatnot aswell.

here's an old one.


I dont know how far theyve come, they probably sell them at walmart now beside the pocket computers and other lasers.

[A51Watcher]

That is true Canine.

However the ones I am referring to happened in 1947.

Go to the UFO's and Aliens section and go to page 7 and read The Day Before Roswell thread.

Such advanced technology in that era seems totally out of place.

[zorgon]

And they fly in V formations and are silver and reflect sunlight?

That is a valid question... to be sure...

Interestingly enough many critters in nature fly in formations like the Canada Goose... they fly in a V pattern and have been photographed at might with night vision many times and sold as "UFO's"

In the NASA UFO videos there is that one film that shows the plasma orbs that are translucent form a circle and then one goes into the middle and suddenly brightens up.

I am pretty sure these 'critters' are intelligent to a point... they are certainly curious as can be seen in the old Foo Fighters checking out the airplanes in WWII and the one that is checking out the Concord.  Those are small plasma orbs.

I am NOT saying there are no hard off world craft... I am saying that most of the things we see fit into the critter orb category.  Especially the ones that swarm around aimlessly like moths to a flame.

I am positive that the one in the 50's were hard craft... but that photo we have of them over the Capital... well that photo is simply the street lights reflected in the lens...  You can match them up easily  the ones in the air with the lights below  They line up perfectly (I think inverted  I forget now)

My problem with all of this is that after 45+ years of study we still have not got ONE verifiable Alien, either live, dead or verifiable DNA  and not ONE nuts and bolts Flying Saucer intact, crashed or verifiable piece of alien scrap.

We have stories  tons of stories.

We have thousands of UFO reports... in all countries and they are all available online since 2000 or so at all the spook agencies. But those are UFO reports  not ONE of them has a verified alien space craft in it and UFO can be anything, even a garbage bag balloon (like MUFON recorded)

We have the British MoD CLOSED their UFO desk because "too expensive no threat found"

We have the latest Pentagon UFO program admitted to but after it too was shut down because "too expensive no threat found"

We then get George Knapp, Robert Bigelow, ex Sen Harry Reid, Tom DeLonge, Hal Puthoff, 4 Names, Springer and Robbie Williams  all involved in the Skin Walker Ranch story and it looks like they want to tell us its all Demons not Aliens...  Robert Bigelow is in this paranormal stuff because he wants to get in touch with his dead son. Harry Reid says he won't discuss "Little Green men and Roswell craft"  He is convinced its Demons.   

John Lear has been tossed out of that loop, but I understand Bob Lazar signed up and okayed the videos. John asked me for help with 4 Names... but who am I to fight these money people?  I am a small fish...  I can't go against this group...

Oddly enough it's been quiet from that group... so not sure what is going on.

That private FB group about Bigelow et al has been silent as there has been nothing new for weeks

During the last election we saw just how incompetent the government really is...  people like Nacy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein and Maxine Walters are just too stupid and probably insane to be able to keep UFO secrets These people can't even keep their own dirty laundry out of the press.  Look at Podesta... he was supposed to be the guy who released the UFO info IF Hillary got in... yet Bill didn't even address it until his second term and even then only sent an Aide to Are 51 who was denied entry and told "Nothing here but secret airplanes" and went away and that was the end of that

Yet we are expected to believe that of the 193 countries in the world, many at war with each other,  that ALL these leaders around the world have worked together for 70 years to keep this secret..

I don't buy it.  The ONLY way this is possible is if the actual visitors are few in number and controled by a small group.

And the observations bear up to that conclusion

By the time you remove the hoaxers and known fakers, the obvious misidentifications, the lack of scientific knowledge in most people on the net calling every natural phenomena of light and weather "Aliens"... what you have left falls into three categories  In my estimation based on 45 years of reports I still say "80%ish are Plasma Critters, 15% are our own black ops craft (and the triangel is an earth man invention ) and 5% are the true visitors

Then you have the 'experiencers'  These people are to the UFO world what 'healy feelies' are to the rock and gem world.  Disclaimer: This is NOT to say there are no genuine contactees just as there are some real properties to some gemstones.  What I am talking about are the vast majority that are chanelling 'something'   I have taken time to talk to many, the ones that are actually coherent enough to converse with..  and the bottom line is that I have to meditate and 'open my mind' to let these 'entities' in   I say; "AH  so your 'experience' is not physical  only channeled?" 

Seems the answer to that is YES.  Well no thanks... my entire research and Rosicrucian teachings tell me that is the LAST thing you want to do... let these Imps into the world. I suppose in a sence Harry reid is right... while they are not Demons in the religious sense, they are actually Daemons that exist between this physical plane and the Astral world.

I strongly suspect that this wild spread fascination with channeling these 'aliens' is what has cause the general insanity we are seeing around the planet today. It fits the behavior attributed to these ancient Daemons (Imps to the Tibetans)

So while I do accept that there have been SOME actual aliens stop by this old rock. I am not convinced they are here by the thousands with 57 some species and NEVER ONCE leaving a single verifiable trace... that is just not logistically possible

[A51Watcher]

That is a valid question... to be sure...

I agree with everything you said.

However I have even more characteristics that indicate solid metallic craft back in 1947.

I did not list them all as I felt those few I did list were enough to get the point across.

They will all be listed in my book coming out later this year on all the sighting in 1947. Public sightings reported to newspapers began in May and ended in September. Military sightings reported to the Pentagon began in February and when they ended is unknown.

But all indications point to them being physical hardware.

[The Seeker]

Maybe John Lear can answer this. If not, can anyone please?

To my knowledge, no has this capability.

Further still, who had this capability in 1947?

A51,  one of the issues that stems from this is that most people don't understand how it is possible to move that fast and make unbelievable turns without turning any occupants into jello, for it can be explained...

at this moment as you are reading this, you are traveling at 1,000 miles an hour as the earth rotates on it's axis, with no perception of movement; the earth itself is traveling at 66,666 mph as it orbits the sun, again with no perception of movement by us...

this is because we are within the gravitational field of the earth, and the earth is what is doing the movement, so as long as we are static(such as you in front of your pc monitor) there are no centrifical or inertia effects to be felt

these craft seen doing those fantastic(to us) maneuvers have to be creating their own gravity field or bubble; anything inside that field is subject to the same dynamics as we are in the planet's field with the same affects; it is the field that is traveling and turning at these speeds, just as the earth is zooming thru space...

[fansongecho]

@Z

"We have the British MoD CLOSED their UFO desk because "too expensive no threat found"


The Military Pilots, and others in the military didn't bother informing the MOD Desk (Nick Popes Desk) for a number of reasons, not the least that if you made a report it would have a negative impact on your career especially if you where a Officer / Aircrew - We didn't have a high opinion of the MOD, seen as civilian pen pushers who couldn't organise a Pi&& up in a brewery.

I know of Aerospace Systems Battle Management Officers who have observed UAP making ridiculous changes in heading, speed, altitude in real time on ground and airborne based Radar and didn't report the sightings on official channels -

Some of the guys thought that they may be some advanced ECCM being used either by the USAFE or the Soviets, especially when on Airborne Patrol over UK & Europe and reported and passed this phenomenon "up the line" but there where occasions on ground intercept controllers where-by up to 20 operators across the length of the UK would corroborate images that they where tracking but when Aircraft went up to investigate potential "zombies" they reported no visual or radar contacts on the heading / vector they where on. 

I heard a couple of incidents where Pilots did observe UAP's and on landing and debrief where told quite firmly that their official report would be the sighting of conventional or rotary wing aircraft that where confirmed on primary radar but the unknown AC secondary radar transponders where unserviceable and so the aircrafts required "squawk" transponder response was un-obtainable.

To be fair to the Air Crew who did eyeball and observe UAP's, the couple I knew (who flew separte aircraft types - Tornados and Phantoms) they never called them flying soucers or disks or UFO's just "unknowns"


Z, you speak about energy critters, do you have a thread on them somewhere you can ping me a link sometime please?


@A51, can I get a signed copy of your book if you publish or will it be a e-book buddy? hope you are well m8.


Cheers,

Fans' 

[astr0144]

Thats a good post to remind us how fast we are already travelling Seeker.

I think we easily forget or may not even know !  as its so UNOBVIOUS to us !

Its also amazing that we have two speeds to consider... the rotational orbit of the Earth and the orbit of the Earth around the Sun.

The basic Mathematical formula to calculate these...

we need some basic numbers and formula.

Its estimated that the Earth is about 7000 miles in diameter...
and we need the Circumference of the Earth (at the Earths equator) which can be calcualted with the formula PI x Diameter  (or 2 x r x Pi )

which gives PI at approx value of 3.14 x Diameter of 7000 = 25000 Miles to travel around the Equator.

There is 24 hrs in one day..so divide 25000 / 24 hrs = 1041 MPH

so the Earth is rotating around its orbit (or spinning) at about 1040 MPH

But then at the same time the Earth is orbiting around the Sun.

Its estimated that the distance from the Earth to the Sun is approx 93 Million Miles..

which is like a radius distance of the Earth to Suns oribital Circumference.

or the diameter of this would be 93 million x 2 = 186 million..

so the Circumference of this is then x by Pi (3.14) and we use PI x D

3.14 x 186 million = 584, 000,000 miles

there are approx 365 days in one year...

584,000,000 / 365 = 1600000

and divide that by 24 hrs in one day..

1600000 / 24 = 66666 miles per hour

So the Earth is travelling approx 66666 MPH as it goes around the Sun. based on the values that I used..

which are close to the values that you show Seeker.


BUT according to one of Zorgons Posts... he shows a slightly higher value..

I put this in Bing...."calculations for the speed of the earth"

and this link came up as the top or first search.

http://thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/02files/Speed_of_Earth.html

so I am not quite sure how the values used by Zorgons webpage varies..



The Earth is orbiting the Sun once a year. The circumference of the Earth's orbit is approx.  607.6  million miles {or 940 million kilometers}. One year is approx. 365 days
365 days X 24 = 8760 hours
607,600,000/8760 = 69,360.73 MPH


We are reminded by Eric idle in Monty Pythons the Galaxy Song ! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=buqtdpuZxvk

Whenever life gets you down, Mrs. Brown,
And things seem hard or tough,
And people are stupid, obnoxious or daft,
And you feel that you've had quite eno-o-o-o-o-ough,
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at 900 miles an hour.
It's orbiting at 19 miles a second, so it's reckoned,
The sun that is the source of all our power.
Now the sun, and you and me, and all the stars that we can see,
Are moving at a million miles a day,
In the outer spiral arm, at 40,000 miles an hour,
Of a galaxy we call the Milky Way.
Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars;
It's a hundred thousand light-years side to side;
It bulges in the middle sixteen thousand light-years thick,
But out by us it's just three thousand light-years wide.
We're thirty thousand light-years from Galactic Central Point,
We go 'round every two hundred million years;
And our galaxy itself is one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.
Our universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,
In all of the directions it can whiz;
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth;
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!
Songwriters: JOHN DU PREZ,ERIC IDLE

A51,  one of the issues that stems from this is that most people don't understand how it is possible to move that fast and make unbelievable turns without turning any occupants into jello, for it can be explained...

at this moment as you are reading this, you are traveling at 1,000 miles an hour as the earth rotates on it's axis, with no perception of movement; the earth itself is traveling at 66,666 mph as it orbits the sun, again with no perception of movement by us...

this is because we are within the gravitational field of the earth, and the earth is what is doing the movement, so as long as we are static(such as you in front of your pc monitor) there are no centrifical or inertia effects to be felt

these craft seen doing those fantastic(to us) maneuvers have to be creating their own gravity field or bubble; anything inside that field is subject to the same dynamics as we are in the planet's field with the same affects; it is the field that is traveling and turning at these speeds, just as the earth is zooming thru space...

[ArMaP]

Its also amazing that we have two speeds to consider... the rotational orbit of the Earth and the orbit of the Earth around the Sun.

We have more speeds to consider, as the Sun is part of a spinning galaxy that is itself moving.

[ArMaP]

this is because we are within the gravitational field of the earth, and the earth is what is doing the movement, so as long as we are static(such as you in front of your pc monitor) there are no centrifical or inertia effects to be felt

I don't think gravitational fields have any thing to do with inertia. If you are in a vehicle moving at a constant speed with no direction changes you do not feel the effects of the speed you are moving at, but that's not because of the vehicle's gravitational field, it's just because we only feel the effects of acceleration, not of constant speed.

[A51Watcher]

@A51, can I get a signed copy of your book if you publish or will it be a e-book buddy? hope you are well m8.


Cheers,

Fans' 

Yes it will be available in all formats fans, so a signed copy will not be a problem and will be my pleasure.

Self publishing these days makes it a snap.

You will get the 2nd copy because otter already reserved the first. 

[fansongecho]

Cheers A51!, good luck with the book and the publishing, do you have a name for it yet bud?

[The Seeker]

I don't think gravitational fields have any thing to do with inertia. If you are in a vehicle moving at a constant speed with no direction changes you do not feel the effects of the speed you are moving at, but that's not because of the vehicle's gravitational field, it's just because we only feel the effects of acceleration, not of constant speed.

ArMap, nothing that we can use as an example here applies, for acceleration, inertia, and centrifical force are felt because it is pushing against the gravity field from within the field itself; the craft such as witnessed and filmed by A51 has its own gravity field, therefore it is the entire field itself that is moving, just as the earth in it's gravity field is moving around the sun