bob lazar new movie trailer

[A51Watcher]

Ok show me where Lazar and Lear was on Google earth ? They claim the craft was over Papoose Lake I have already mapped out where they were could you show me ho close they were and where they were when they filmed ?

Sure, they were at Campfire Hill just off Groom road as stated by John and Bob. Also the craft was on this side of the Groom mountain range.  So how many miles ya figger from the Groom mountains to campfire hill?


Here is a diagram from John -

Also, the craft returned to the glow above S4 when they were done testing.

That video is not misleading its an older camcorder and it looks exactly like a UFO and turns into an airplane which happened with alot of camera of that era like Lazars camera.

Yes it IS  misleading.

Why does it not show the footage before before the camera was zoomed? He certainly did not begin filming with the camera already zoomed.

Let's see the rest of the footage. Then it will perform just like the video I posted in response. All cameras of that vintage could not zoom in on a small ball of light accurately.

There are many videos where the ball of light turned into a diamond during the day and turned into the bat signal at night during zoom..

Point being - zooming in with those cameras did no good and returned a false image when the iris was overloaded.

NOT zooming the image while filming is the only reliable imaging you can get. Zooming the image later on a computer does NOT produce diamonds or bat signals.

Sean david Morton used to film "Old Faithful" every morning at 4 am and thought it was an alien spaceship until one day it landed and it was a JANET 737 he was very surprised.

Having seen actual craft in action out there, it is not surprising that he would mistake Janet's for craft.

After that, anything that moved that was lit up he would likely assume were more craft.

I On the other hand had no problem misidentifying them, since they flew overhead at one point and also landed on the desert floor about a 1/4 mile away from me.

[A51Watcher]

Now I have a question for you bp-

If what Bob and I filmed was a Janet Airline as you suspect, how did it manage to streak sideways with the headlight still pointing forward?

Jets cannot make maneuvers like that. Or like these -

[bigpappy51]

NowI have a question for you bp-

If what Bob and I filmed was a Janet Airline as you suspect, how did it manage to streak sideways with the headlight still pointing forward?

Jets cannot make maneuvers like that. Or like these -

Very interesting video is this your video ? And the stationary portion at the bottom are they mountains if so how do we see them did you uses an IR camera ? Where the edited in or part of the original video and could I see the original .. I do enjoy looking at these type of videos from Area51 for sure.

So I guess Im asking for you to explain to me more in detail exactly what we are seeing here would like the actual details and original footage. The light ure is all over the place what could fly or withstand this technology ?

If we were so primitive to the sport model that it had no switches no eiring and as so small inside what would had flown this again i am not ruling out other programs I certainly believe we had anti gravity or gravitational manipulation since the late 50s.

Thanks for your post I sure do appreciate it .

BigPappy51

[zorgon]

Re Bob working at Los Alamos..

Gene says: 

And of course you're right. Why in the frig would I ever say Bob didn't work at LANL? I have told the story about Stan Friedman being told that Bob worked AT LANL but Stan instead heard that Bob worked FOR LANL, but I'm not the one who misspoke or misunderstood, that was Stanton.

That is quite a huge difference  Ponder on that

I will be seeing John Lear tomorrow... gonna be an interesting day (I hope)  as soon as I get my car back

[fansongecho]

@A51, I was wondering if it was possible for you to create the video's with some narration to explain the details of the videos please m8? like topography, estimated distances of terrain and flight times of the images if possible sometime down the road A51 ??

Cheers,

F 

[bigpappy51]

Re Bob working at Los Alamos..

Gene says: 

That is quite a huge difference  Ponder on that

I will be seeing John Lear tomorrow... gonna be an interesting day (I hope)  as soon as I get my car back

Zorgon when I come to Las vegas I will take you to John Lear. I would love to talk to him.

[A51Watcher]

Very interesting video is this your video ?

Yes

And the stationary portion at the bottom are they mountains if so how do we see them did you uses an IR camera ? Where the edited in or part of the original video and could I see the original ..

Yes they are the groom mountains plus the few small hills in front of them. The daytime photo the video begins with is mailbox road which zooms in to the location the craft were seen. No on the  using IR cam.

Yes the mountains were edited in to the video for background reference. Originally I tried making a white trace of the mountain skyline and placed that in the video which was quite effective at proving perspective. Then one of the team said 'I have a better idea' and placed the mountain range as background.



I do enjoy looking at these type of videos from Area51 for sure.

So I guess Im asking for you to explain to me more in detail exactly what we are seeing here would like the actual details and original footage.

Details provided above. No problem in showing you the original footage.

Now can I see the footage you said you got from John?

The light ure is all over the place what could fly or withstand this technology ?

[A51Watcher]

@A51, I was wondering if it was possible for you to create the video's with some narration to explain the details of the videos please m8? like topography, estimated distances of terrain and flight times of the images if possible sometime down the road A51 ??

Cheers,

F 

Sure fans. Distance of terrain (from the camera I assume you mean) and flight times will be no problem. Not sure what you mean by providing topography.

In the following video the craft was placed into a CAD rendition of mailbox road, and based on the craft being 50 ft wide it was determined that the craft was 2000 ft away.

Flight time that night was a couple hours. I can look it up on film.





eta: Looks like flight time that night was 2hr 45 minutes per the time stamp, actual time was even longer since I crashed the party after it had begun (as planned).

[bigpappy51]

Hey Area51Watcher just the original film I am familiar with your YouTube page. Would love to see the original film were you using a tripod ?  Did you put the mountains in the other video not the last video with the truck in the video ?

You definitely got my curiosity and were you in the desert with Bill Cooper? The first video that light is bouncing all over the place if you have a video proving the camera was stationary that would be something. The video you posted is just a light for a second filmed from the road while moving I hope you are going to post more.

I do recall you having more video years ago on your YT channel but you took them down I thought Phil Schneider had been with you I may be mistaken.



BigPappy51

[fansongecho]

@A51, great stuff, the list below may help clarify my request m8?

1 - Altitude of your position.

2 - Approximate Northings and Eastings

3 - Approximate Bearing of object from your position

4 - Approximate range of object from your position

5 - Time of year and time of day

I hope these make some sense bud?

Cheers!

Fans' 

[bigpappy51]

Now I have a question for you bp-

If what Bob and I filmed was a Janet Airline as you suspect, how did it manage to streak sideways with the headlight still pointing forward?

Jets cannot make maneuvers like that. Or like these -

Interesting would sure like to see the full original film if possible or the part here we see the craft. I think this is man made technology and my reason is very simple I use Bobs testimony . Bob sates the craft worked like magic there were no wires, no switches nothing at all. He once witnesses a flight where the craft in daylight lifted silently slight corona discharge 30 feet in the air and landed.

Bob claims they were in radio communication with whoever was flying the craft. But if this craft was was alien as an Iphone would be to someone from the lets says 1700s.. How on earth did a human pilot the craft and fit in the craft and do all these incredible maneuvers it doesn't fit what Bob says at all ?

I also don't buy the controlled leak story because Bob claims they tried to kill him on Charleston Blvd in daylight well in Las Vegas there are much more quiet ways to make one disappear if he was shot at it may had to do with some of the people he was involved with in his personal life he did owe a lot of money out to people. A govt killer would not miss and wouldn't do this in daylight sounds more like a mod style threat or hit.. Again these are my opinions using logic.

Did you ever see it close enough to see the details that it was The Sport models that looks like The Meier craft ? I ean we have drones from today that could mimic any of those maneuvers I can show a number of videos of astonishing shows put on by 100 drones at once and If I saw this years ago no doubt it would had been aliens.

Then we also have the Mark McCandlish story which the craft uses millions of volts to create lift the Biefeld Brown effect essentially is what is described. One thing that surprised me a great deal was the Nahsan video and we see John Lears father in that video making breakthroughs in what 1958 and 1959 ?

The Bahnson Lab Video and we see William Lear Sr at 3:17 I found this video to be absolutely mind blowing. Doe John have some of the paperwork stashed away somewhere that his father had on the breakthroughs? You can see the celebration taking place.



I am also of the belief that Howard Hughes saw something that completely changed his life as far as his belief. I think the event took place at Groom Lake and he as watched guarded in Las vegas. He was a Govt contractor had a ton of money and was in the know I realize he was in a very bad plane crash that it was a miracle he survived.

What I'm getting at is I think it's very possible that we humans are far more capable technology wise then people give us credit for look at the modern day computer cell phone which is a computer with phone these days smart phone etc.. This is alien to our ancestors.

Bob tells an amazing story which has captivated me since 1989 there's no doubt the insane affect its had on my life I wouldn't be into UFOs the way I am today.

And you were at a Classified base there is no doubt in my mind you seen things that could not be explained we can look at Ben Richs statements if true he claims We had the technology to take ET home.

BigPappy51

[A51Watcher]

Hey Area51Watcher just the original film I am familiar with your YouTube page. Would love to see the original film were you using a tripod ?  Did you put the mountains in the other video not the last video with the truck in the video ?

No I did not use a tripod, I used the roof and hood of the car as a tripod. The image processors also wondered how much I moved the camera during filming, so they ran a process on it that detects and corrects any camera movement in the video. Whenever movement is detected, we see a white line on the side of the screen in the direction the movement was detected.
The result is (as you saw) we see the craft moving wildly all over the place dozens of times, and a white line shows up only 3 or 4 times.

So over all I managed to keep the camera pretty rock solid, with a few exceptions.



You definitely got my curiosity and were you in the desert with Bill Cooper?

No. Never met Bill.

The first video that light is bouncing all over the place if you have a video proving the camera was stationary that would be something.

Yes I do have such a video. See above. Then see below.

The video you posted is just a light for a second filmed from the road while moving I hope you are going to post more.

I do recall you having more video years ago on your YT channel but you took them down I thought Phil Schneider had been with you I may be mistaken.

I used to Have Phil and Ron's video of Area51 up there. Funny how Phil never mentioned that trip in his lectures.

[astr0144]

Got rather behind on this thread/topic..


Hope to try and  catch up on this thread and make some comments if I can...

[astr0144]

Hi Big Pappy 51.

I am short of time to do any indepth prior re research to try to offer more detailed comments to some of your past posts in this thread.

I have been a follower of the Bob Lazar story on and off over some time...
and have now probably forgot parts of it as I age... as its sometime since I looked into various parts of it... (That may apply to some other members as well)

I am not greatly familiar with your background...
but  on reading some of your posts in this thread, You seem to be someone who has done some quite detailed indepth research to parts of the story and been in contact with certain connected people...

and you have educated me on somethings that I had not been aware of before.
Although I still need to research more into some of the things you posted...

I note that you made some detailed ref to Ed Fouche and Alien Scientist...

I recall some past threads about some of PRCs and Ed Fouche / A.S discussions about Bob.   How they were debunking Bobs story... which it seems that you also are also indicating in some of your comments..

Few of us, if any  are Scientist... but even Scientists have various views...Some who claim to be Scientists on some of the UFO type TV programs... as what I recall have indicated that they may believe Bobs story...

but it does seem unproveable...

What I will say about Ed Fouche... is that from my own witness of a TR3B.. what he said was correct... and NOT B.S..  Unless what I saw was some sort of Holograpic projection..
It maybe  the most amazing thing that I may have ever seen...

and I truely Thank Ed for making me aware about the TR3B...

but still am not sure what his thoughts had been about Bobs story...
(I seen some of the suggestions...)

If the TR3 B is man made which I suspect overall it is... the big question still is does it involve Alien Technology ?


I think Bobs claim for the Sports Model or other UFOs he claims he witnessed at S4...may well be ET if they exist..

You made a ref to the Sports model E115  Reactor being unlikely... to work on such technology.... of using an unstable element as E115... or maybe you suggest such small reactors are unlikely...

That I think certainly is something few would be aware about.. no matter how far featched it may seem...

I suspect small reactors do exist....I think I have seen them at sometime...
but its hard to believe maybe that triangle pieces of E115 would have to be inserted into reactors for the Craft to Work as Bob suggested..

If such craft exist... what other possible theories maybe possible / plausable.. I wonder..

Upon you having seen A51s videos.... Had you never seen them before you came on PRC ?

Can I ask if you have seen them now... Has it altered your thoughts on Bobs story or A51s claims and footage of what you see.

If you still query what you see...

What other theories may you have , if any ?


If you still can prove otherwise....

Those of us who may have considered Bobs story... maybe our santity can be re-questioned  ! and you can clarify or make us see a clear alternative view to it...


Was you a member on Alien Scientist.... I sem to recall someone called Big Pappy...
which I thought had been Ed Fouches AS name .

The A.S  forum does not seem to be active at the moment...or at least not at the time I post this reply...

http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/forum.php

[bigpappy51]

Astro how are you its been awhile ?

I'm going to share some of what I experienced and know about the strangeness of last 24 hrs o about Edgar Fouches death

I spoke with Ed up until the day well night he died I spent 5 hours with Ed on OOvOO the day he died. He called me the night prior and said he was going to the VA in Kerrville TX and that he would be online when he got home around 11am nd Ed called me on the phone and said get on OovoO. Being that my work schedule was so crazy at the time I had some time off and we talked till 5 pm that day.

I'm going to try to answer a few questions here you put a lot out and if you like you can fire any question you like at me concerning Ed. Ed died on May 11, 2017.

I have had the strangest things happen to me when Ed and I would talk it seems to go away when I don't talk about Ed publicly. I rarely talk about Ed in public I have refused to do a number of hows about Ed his wife had made a request for me to leave the story alone. She told why they had been thru because of Eds disclosure of the TR3B its almost been a few years so I will talk some here and there. I was not a part of this program and Ed has always told the story in a legal way from second hand information for the most part.

Ed was extremely bothered that his best friend in the USAF a guy named Oscar had dropped over dead just a few months prior to Eds death. The guy didn't have any health problems I had met him he seemed to be in good health he loved his grandchildren more than anything. Eds friend Jerry Elerick dropped over dead the same exact way. When I talked to Oscar on a few occasions he was extremely paranoid about talking and he explained to me that he went to the IUFOC and tried to talk Ed out of doing the IUFOC 1998. Oscar was a very serious guy who seemed to not take any crap from anyone.

Ed and Jerry were together at Edwards AFB if I remember correctly I think Jerry was in the USAF for about 8 or 10 years and got out here's a photo of Ed and Jerry in the late 80s obviously after their careers in the USAF below.




Ed and Oscar spent a lot of time together of seas at Kadena AFB Ed and Oscar both lived in Las Vegas both spent years at Nellis AFB and surrounding bases and they both put in their 20yrs and moved on to working on Govt Contractors. Ed was a program manager at SAIC San Antonio and his boss hand picked Ed after USAF retirement 1987 The guy who picked Ed was a former SR-71 pilot he worked for a number of Govt COntractor after his USAF Career.

The night Ed had died the day we spoke on OovoO for 5 hours or more we had a fantastic time going over all kinds of things mainly Eds military career and the fun he had and remembering his friends who most are gone. And when I hung up with Ed I sensed that this is the last time I'm going to talk to Ed he had talked about things I never heard him ever say before so that evening as I was saying I texted Ed and told him on The Smithsonian channel I think it was called "UFOS Declassified:Black Triangles"
And I still have the text was kind of strange this show wa on the night Ed passed.. Like it was some type of sign. When I didn't hear back from Ed the following day I texted him back and I got a return text and it said to call the house. Well Eds wife answered and she told me that Ed passed sometime in the night I was extremely sad it was rare that Ed and I were not in contact at least every other day. Eds wife is a very wonderful person nothing but excellent things to say about her.

Ed was like my big brother and he and his wife treated me like family Ed called me brother all the time I called him brother. I sure do miss Ed they always gave me the best advice.  One thing people don't know about Ed was the guy would give the shirt off his back. I seen Ed take care of a number of families in his town that could not pay their bills and Ed made sure they always had food shelter and heat that was Edgar Fouche. Ed was demonized online because he was brutally honest and some people didn't like it. Ed was a great friend and Ed always said the TR story he has told was the truth as he knew it. One of Eds friends said the craft  was real as well one with just a nod of his head.

I had sent Ed a text that evening telling him to set his recorder well anyway I didn't hear anything back from him that was the night of 10th Ed death was in the middle of the night on the 11th. So then within just a few days I think it was the May 14th this fake TR3B patent hits the internet and its everywhere within about 48 hrs of Eds death which to me is no coincidence. If you go to YouTube and type in TR3B Patent you will see all these videos took place directly after Eds death Here is one of those videos below:

May 15th This guy ues one of Eds drawings in his video as well


May 21st


May 17th
ThirdPhaseOfMoon a garbage channel like Secureteam10


So why all the fake TR3B patent videos right after Ed dies these guys had no clue Ed had passed. In the one video Im telling the guy that ed passed in the comments..
I knew Ed for many years the people I got to know thru Ed was amazing and I heard all I needed to eve hear to know the TR3B is real and the amount of people who see this craft every year is shocking also I have people contact me and end me drawings they make that just happen to look identical to Eds 1980s drawings

The friends that Edgar Fouche had were not your normal average military guys. Ed ran around with former SR-71 pilots and knew people the most difficult aircraft ever to fly the SR71.

And as far the question of are these massive triangles aliens well why would aliens all the sudden switch to flying triangles in the mid 1980s ? Is the technology the mercury based plasma MFD reverse alien engineered you know that's the question similar to the Die Glocke The NAZI Bell.

I'm not sure if you heard by Alienscientist recently did a video where he stated he took what Ed stated out of context when Ed said that "he was a liar and nothing he ever said was the truth" Ed and Jeremy had both tarnished one another there was a lot of damage done to their friendship. I actually have the real video I was one of the 3 people in that video Ed had repeated exactly what I asked him to say as a joke. Anyway Ed and Alienscientist didn't get along and they did at one time then toward the end of Eds life Ed and Jeremy had made amends.

Astro As I said feel free to ask me anything we can talk about Lazar in another post.

BigPappy51