A LONG TIME AGO IN A GALAXY.... well HERE actually

[zorgon]

A LONG TIME AGO IN A GALAXY.... well HERE actually

I was an Apollo Hugger... I wanted to be an Astronaut...  I watched the Apollo 11 "landing" on a giant screen set up at City Hall in Toronto...

I started collecting everything in papers and magazines about space...  (Wish I had saved it all)

I heard the live broadcast from Apollo 8 "Houston, there is a Santa Clause"  Not it was NOT a secret code for Aliens... it was simply a Christmas message when they came out from behind that moon and the engines fired so they could go home...



I also heard the Ham radio intercept of the message that there is someone else on the moon. I wish I had recorded it but never occurred to me at the time they would erase history 

I had a little interest in some of the UFO stuff at the time, but was not really heavily into it as I was more interested in Ancient Civilizations...  I was focused on the Pyramids at Giza and the Tibetan scrolls....  it was at that time that I was introduced to the Rosicrucians. I still have the pamphlet I first received...





As you can see, the front cover shows EXACTLY what I was looking for.  A further incidence that happened a few weeks later convinced me to sign up...

This line of research did lead to some questions regarding visits from the Gods in Ancient Time... but remember there was no internet at the time and this was even before the first Commodore 64 home computer came out. The ONLY source of information was libraries and radio shows... There were no TV documentaries yet...

One of the books I acquired at the time was "Chariots of the Gods: Erich Von Daniken 1968"

THIS was the beginning of the Ancient Aliens concept.... Erik was the Grandfather of this line of thinking.

14 March 1974

"The Great Debate is a Canadian television series that featured debates between pairs of panelists over a given subject. It was first shown on Global Television Network in 1974, and later broadcast by CHCH-TV from Hamilton, Ontario. The series was produced intermittently until 1983."

This show was run by Pierre Berton (turns out he is family on my wife's side)

Show #10    The gods from outer space theory is a fantasy    For: Archaeologist Ruth Tringham    Against: Author Erich von Däniken    Aired 14 March 1974

The debate went on, every time Erik was questioned he was calm and gave straight answers and made his point, repeatedly saying I am just showing you what I believe, you will have to make up your own mind.

Ruth kept attacking the idea. When she couldn't rattle Erik's cage as it were, she took the path of personal attack on his schooling, his character, etc.  When he asked her to give her explanation of these items she just got angry and increased the ad homina attacks.

In the end Pierre stated that while I do not agree with your conclusions, you handled yourself well and I declare you winner of this debate.

[zorgon]

THAT was the day I seriously started looking at Ancient Aliens  which led me to the Portals and "Gateways to the Gods"...  and later to other UFO related topics.

When I went to ATS I was looking for information on STARGATES  not UFO's and ended up at ATS in Beth's "Stargates are Real" thread  Met John while there  the rest is history 

I picked up Eric's book pretty soon after it was published  My copy is dated 1968...  it is now 2018  that makes 50 Years I have been doing this...

In all those years I found great stories, lots of evidence of Ancient mysteries and eventually a lot of information about mostly secret military projects.

What I have NOT found in all those years is a nuts and bolts Flying Saucer, intact, crashed or even teeny weeny fragment of metal verified as being "not of this earth"

What I have NOT found in all those years is a flesh and blood Alien, alive to interview, dead to examine or tiney scrap of DNA that has been verified as being "not of this earth"

What I have is a gadzillian files from various agencies that talk about unknown object, many that have since been identified as something mundane

What I have is lots of stories from "old timers" that on the face of it sound good... but those stories change with age... lately a few of those have been contradicted as well ( I won't mention names)

What I have is lots of stories from 'experiencers' who tell me I need to meditate to contact these 'alien entities' Then I will be a believer...

Well NO THANKS... all my Tibetan and Rosicrucian background have already told me exactly what those 'entities' really are and I for one have no desire to open a door for those Imps. In fact I believe now that the confusion and craziness the World is experiencing right now may be a result of allowing these channeled creatures into our realm.

[zorgon]

So in a nutshell...

I am TIRED, I am getting older and health is not that great...  Recently I have seen people I once trusted to be speaking solid facts turn around and contradict themselves... on some major points.

Either I can blame it on Timeline glitches or other more mundane factors... but the point remains it is happening and it is confusing people and making them question...

I live in a time now where a young kid who is a KNOWN Hoaxer can get $7,500 a month from subscribers who believe his crap without question  and there are several following his 'business model'

I live in a time now where all my years of geology and mineral studies mean NOTHING because the metaphysical crowd gets away with just making up names and selling them for high prices by attaching all sorts of healing mumbo jumbo to it, and the people are just lapping it up. It is so bad it dominates the Google searches now.

I live in a time where vaccinations are now EVIL poisons, where the Earth is once again FLAT and where science is all a bunch of lies, nade up to fool you...

I once believed that the Disclosure project would FINALLY be the real deal...  until I found that several of the members were outright LYING and that Greer is nothing but a charlatan making literally MILLIONS off the believers

I once believed a certain scientist was the real deal. This involved the UMLR project several of us worked hard on...  I since discovered he is nothing but a scam artist who took some money from good people (Pegasus members) and they now know him as a con man  Again I will mention no names at this point until I deal with that officially (But many here will know what I am talking about)

I have been away from Pegasus for a few months mostly due to health and financial issues, which, thanks to help from a few very dear friends here, have stabalized for now and I will be able to see the leg doctors as soon as January rolls around.  Pegasus website etc is up for renewal for another two years Jan 16th 2019...  so that is the next hurdle for the new year. If things go as they are now everything should be fine

I have two tenants renting a small room.  The one girl had some seisure issues and was literallt thrown out of her house by her nother's boyfriend. She has since managed to get government assistance and its working out well for everyone at the moment. The other tenant had some serious familiy issues and some really bad luck... He is now employed again and hopefully a good job starting in january.  Both fell into hardships about the same time as we did so it was a big mess for all of us But we worked through it and the help from the donations made it possible to get through.

But the other reason I didn't get back right away was that I had lost my MUSE... there has been nothing really new in the conspiracy/UFO world to spark a renewed interest, so I hesitated.  The TTSA/Skin Walker Ranch deal seemed promising until I learned that 4 Names was going to be running it...  I was even invited to a closed group on Facebook of insiders that was discussing it...  then suddenly it all went silent... nothing new...

I found the MERCURY Forbidden City while looking for rock hunting locations using Google Earth. I had never heard that there was an active Forbidden City of military scientsist.  So great  here was a good comeback story... well I posted it like I do, then forwared the link to certain people, and was blasted by unexpected emails. Was quite a shock really (which is why I had Seeker pull that thread till after the holidays.

To be sure, I WILL go back to it... in my usual style, but I will be a little more caustious about comments till I sort it out. And I only pulled it because of WHO those emails were from...

So have I become a skeptic and given up the search?  No not really, but I am pretty certain NOTHING will be shown before I leave this earth for the 8th time

That is all for now... I DO need to get over to Facebook tomorrow and thank people there as well and I will likely read this post again tomorrow so it may get edited and or added to...  If I do I will post a note that I did that

So for now

HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE

And THANKS for those that helped me out over the last 2 months... it is GREATLY APPRECIATED

[Shasta56]

I would like to know what information the Vatican library has about a lot of UFO and ET stuff.  Pretty sure I won't be  invited to peruse their materials in this lifetime.

[ArMaP]

As I have been working with archives for the last 23 years I can tell you that archives are more likely to have that kind of information (and more likely to go unnoticed) than libraries.

Also, almost all relatively big organisations have an archive, and one of the things they keep is information traded with other organisations.

PS: in most cases, archives are under the supervision of the same people that supervise the libraries if they exist, and if the organisation doesn't have a library then the responsible for the archive is usually a librarian, that, working in something that it's not their real field of expertise, tend to ignore the archive to some extent, so archives are really a great source of forgotten information.

[fansongecho]

@ Zorgon - Well I guess if there is a positive to be taken from becoming interested in the field of the paranormal, and the so called "conspiracy" subjects that we research on Peg and other forums is the fact the "we" soon get our eyes opened to the amount of sheer liars and fantasists that exist in these fields.

The more technology accelerates, the charlatens have / are developing a means to dupe their followers -

I think there are some serious long time researchers who on the whole are trust worthy, Bill Ryan and Richard Dolan spring to mind straight away.


Z, do you think that if you monitised certain areas of Peg that it would help with running costs etc ?
I am sure that you guys and gals have seen the amount of guests that log in, and download stacks of material ?

I am all for openness on the forum but I suspect that 4 Names may well be out data mining on here and other forums for another sensational blockbuster film / series - at your and other contributers expence, and with ZERO credits or F&&&'s given by him.      {4 Names replied at long last to my query on FB and stated that Bob L is not getting a pay check for the film}

I have said in the past that I am very happy to chip in Z, no dramas' at all m8.

All the best buddy, here is too a brighter (I hope) 2019.

Cheers!

Fans' 

[zorgon]

I would like to know what information the Vatican library has about a lot of UFO and ET stuff.  Pretty sure I won't be  invited to peruse their materials in this lifetime.

Well the Vatican Library has a lot of stuff online  Not sure about ET stuff (though gods, etc are technically all ET)

Problem is....   all the old documents are in LATIN

The Holy See

They are very pretty books though  like this BOOK OF HOURS


http://w2.vatican.va/content/vatican/en.html

[zorgon]

As I have been working with archives for the last 23 years I can tell you that archives are more likely to have that kind of information (and more likely to go unnoticed) than libraries.

ARCHIVED WEB SITE
The Vatican Secret Archives
https://www.loc.gov/item/lcwaN0022881/

Library of Congress Vatican Archives
Rome Reborn: The Vatican Library & Renaissance

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/vatican/intro.html

Inside the Vatican | Library of Congress
Inside The Vatican, a Web Site produced by Inside The Vatican, a religious organization, is part of the Library of Congress September 11 Web Archive and ...
https://www.loc.gov/item/a486f0912332627ac826292182eb36f7/

[Shasta56]

I think my Latin is pretty much limited to, "Dominus vobiscum and Et cum spiritu tuo." 

Aren't  some of the Vatican documents in Greek as well?  Not that I have any clue about Greek.

[ArMaP]

As Portuguese has many words that came from Latin (in many cases they even sound closer to Latin that the Italian version) it's relatively easy for a Portuguese to get an idea of what a text in Latin says, but has the way of constructing the sentences and the use of declinations is different it makes it a little harder to understand, so a good translation is not that easy.

[karl 12]

But the other reason I didn't get back right away was that I had lost my MUSE... there has been nothing really new in the conspiracy/UFO world to spark a renewed interest..

A pox on those cheeky UFO hoaxers mate -  to my mind they need to be publicly flogged, especially if they're bringing in that kind of money (has there been any indication of instigation or encouragement by alphabet agencies?)

When it comes to UFO reports there really has been some common patterns in global behaviour observed like pendulum motion, EM effects, water collection, solid light, colour change during acceleration etc.. but I don't think anyone's any nearer to unequivocably proving  what these objects actually are or where they originate from (any new info on plasma research or the organic critter aspect?)

Also, the sheer number and variety of UFO shapes (and occupant flavours) reported over the years really does make a person wonder if there's a kind of multidimensional / paraphysical aspect to it all - different frequencies of reality and all that.

Dr Hynek's mate (and original nuts and bolts guy) Ted Phillips makes some interesting comments in this interview about poltergeist activity beginning in a house immediately after witnesses observed a close range UFO depart vertically outside their upstairs window so god knows what's going on there.

As for the government conspiracy angle I'd agree there's not been much new info although I've always thought the marine aspect was a very  important one and the sheer (and growing) number of missing naval logbook UFO/USO reports is very intriguing - current official research being conducted in countries like Chile, Peru, Uruguay etc. is also quite refreshing and I'd wager if there's going to be any kind of development in the subject then it's going to come from South America (or maybe China where their government actively supports scientists in UFO research).

All the best mate and hope you get your muse back (I'd send real gold if I could)

[zorgon]

All the best mate and hope you get your muse back (I'd send real gold if I could)

Wqell in the meantime   I can go dig up some "gold"  Well not actual gold BUT not all rocks need to be gold to have value and can be turned into gold...

I discovered a new partner in rock hunting...   About to start some threads.  I figure if I start with something familiar I might get back in the swing of things... and who knows what else I might see lurking in the Nevada Desert 

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=11176.msg146482#msg146482

[karl 12]

Hey mate we are dealing with quite possibly the most important subject in human history - who gives a frig about rock hunting?



Apologies I'm very drunk

[zorgon]

Hey mate we are dealing with quite possibly the most important subject in human history -

Maybe... but it's been 70 + years since roswell and they still haven't appeared on the 11 o'clock news

who gives a frig about rock hunting?

I do LD and i bet so do Alien explorers   I hear they take water (a mineral ) and the Annunaki were big on Gold mining 

Apologies I'm very drunk

What you drinking? I like Navy Rum myself

[karl 12]

Maybe... but it's been 70 + years since roswell and they still haven't appeared on the 11 o'clock news

Ha I don't think they ever will mate.

I do LD and i bet so do Alien explorers   I hear they take water (a mineral ) and the Annunaki were big on Gold mining 

Touche! Good point - lots of UFO sightings near mines and witness reports from geologists and rock hounds as well. 

What you drinking? I like Navy Rum myself

Jagermeister - never, never again!