Time to Stir the Pot

[The Seeker]

Hey All. New here. Used to converse with John on GLP, and really miss the open contact and amazing advice, info and stories.

Anyway, looking forward to learning from you all, and hopefully contributing some info where I can. I'm an Aussie, I was dragged into this CT world via the infamous BEZERK thread on GLP, and have pretty much remained there since, despite the death of the OP. I like thinking about stuff, and working stuff out, especially starting with what if...

Welcome aboard Badhairday  Please jump on the New Member intro thread and tell us about yourself if so inclined 

[fansongecho]

Hi everyone, 

I don't think that I will ever not be pleasantly surprised by the coalition of truth seekers that we have on Pegasus. 

Although in general I have a strong opinion about how feckless and dangerous & selfish we are as a species, I do get a lot of enjoyment engaging with, or sometimes just sitting back and observing the threads and posts from the many contributors on here. 

People from all over the Globe / Flat Earth / Hollow Earth / Hologram continue to contribute,  and often-times open my eyes to another angle on topics or arguments, and I know I can honestly say hand on heart that my critical thinking has been improved by being part of this most excellent forum.

I asked a while back how you folks got involved with Pegasus, and there seemed to be a common theme that in short that could be interpreted as "seeking the truth" although we all came here by a few different routes, it does look to me at least that the one common element that binds this disparate group together is getting to the core truth of the many topics and phenomenon discussed on here (and other Forums) –

[You may want to go and get a coffee or something stronger if you are reading this post as I am off for 4 days with a damaged ankle so have loads of time to put thoughts to "paper"]

I have been interested in the UFO Phenomenon since I was a young lad, and read UFO's ARE Real, and the Barney and Betty Hill abduction case – I was fascinated by the USAF Blue Book Story, Thomas Mantel, & Kenneth Arnold etc

I also had a interest in ghost stories and other left field topics like, children raised by wild animals, the Yeti, Big Foot etc.

Back in the 70's as most of you folks in your 40's and 50's and 60's will know, if one wanted to research a subject you went to your local library and took out some books and read up on the material.

The UK TV had 3 Channels in the 60' & 70's 2 were controlled by the BBC, and one was independent and commercial, a 4th was added in the early 80's, and 5th went live in 1997. 

The Newspapers in the UK where either Labour or Conservative flavoured, and the radio was either BBC or Pirate Radio (I loved Radio Caroline growing up) –

So, a person's belief system was largely shaped by their schooling, as well as their peers and adults.  (which back then was divided into Secondary Education, or Grammar School depending if you passed an exam called the 11 Plus)

It was a 2 Tier education system, which thankfully doesn't exist now, but it doesn't need to as the UK Education system in my honest opinion has been to totally dumbed down – Everything is superficial, the kids over here have an attention span of Nano-seconds it seems, and please don't use big words in conversations with them, that is if they can get their zombie heads up and off their Apple 7 for more than 30 seconds.
So, my point was, we had to go and research information and draw one's own conclusions –

Nobody talked about critical thinking back then, I don't know when I realised there was such a thing, but I do know that I had a curious mind about a lot of topics, some mainstream (the Cold War, The Moon Landings, The Common Market) and some not so, UFO's, Spooks/Ghosts etc.

So back then as a spotty faced youth,  I didn't really know much about anything, but I had a very curious mind, and after I joined Royal Air Force at 16 and ½ years I couldn't get enough of asking questions about all manner of subjects, and I tried to approach lads and lasses in the RAF who I thought would give me straight answers – although I did get my leg pulled a lot in the early days as I progressed through my career I gradually started to work out a method that seemed to work best for me when investigating stories and folklore –

So where am I going with this?  essentially the way I see IT, the majority of people on here, and other Forums is that we are trying to establish the truth about a huge spectrum of esoteric subjects and topics;

Some of these topics are very tightly inter-woven with each other, some are totally separate, some seem on the surface to hold some merit, some seem so outlandish that they must just be a hoax or fantasy –

I guess that most of us have a methodology we employ to pierce the veil of secrecy, and uncover the lies, and smokescreens that surround and obfuscate the subjects we are interested in?. 

I try and go with personal testimony from trusted sources on here and with other forums, I try and use a number of various integrated methods when doing my research, such as historical data, video & image data, and 1st person(s) testimony, and hopefully deductive reasoning all help me form my view and belief about an event or sighting or story.

Due to the nature of these topics it is nearly impossible to apply the "scientific method" and establish empirical outputs for collection and analysis – which is a major obstacle for many of us I think.

The UFO Topic has so many different angles and sub-topics, but I have decided to focus on a small number of sub topics, for me it is way to easy to get side tracked and dragged down another rabbit hole.

I am interested in –
1 - Actual video/image sightings of UFO / UAP across the World – The Belgium UFO Wave as an example
2 – The John L & Bob Lazar A-51 Sightings and background story
3 – The abduction phenomenon
4 – The Cattle Mutilation phenomenon

We all know that there are a lot of characters in the Ufology field with broad, direct and indirect experience of the above – although its no wonder that we collectively get called the Tin Foil Hat brigade, I can't really blame outsiders for labelling us, can you?

Getting back to Z's comments on the latest in the UFO Pantomime that is 4 Names, George K, and the To the Stars Academy. 

Not forgetting Corey "Time Jumping" Goode, David Wilcock and the Gaia money maker, alongside The Disclosure Project with Dr Greer and a number of other Investigators, I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that its all about the money and their 15 minutes of fame and fortune.

I guess in the early days, before the topic became mainstream, there were plenty of independent researchers who were genuinely looking to uncover the truth, but now the topic has become toxic - that and I am going to recalibrate my interest into Point 2 of the list above, because there is so much noise on the other 4 broad topics it is too easy to get defocussed and distracted –

Why John L and Bob L and the A-51? well I trust Z for a start, and I think IF it is possible that the Bob Lazar story can be proven to be either a Psy-OP / elaborate disinformation project by the CIA OR actually true - it will help ME moving forward, and researching the other 3 subjects listed above - for me at least, this is the Turnkey to the UFO topic and where I go from there.

I can really separate out the others, once I have made up my mind about the Bob L story, because at the moment I have more questions than answers, and I am going to go away and generate the questions that I think Z can put in front of John and eventually Bob L about some of the more mundane but I think pertinent elements of the story.

Sorry for such a long post.

Cheers!   

Fansongecho

[space otter]

it seems that a lot of this doubles back to  b l and his tellall after only a few days on the job..imo
after reading the timeline of his life 
here
http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/the-lazar-timeline/

my observation is that he is one of those very smart motivated by his own interests types and willing to be bought
thereby
my conjecture is that the info he shared was controlled
by whom....the gov
>he was recruited and handled the entire time he was 'employed" (?)
>no one came after him when he supposedly spilled the beans about what he supposedly saw
why  ..
smoke and mirrors..either the searchers of truth were getting to close and needed to be moved away from something
or led to something

i don't think what he saw matters so much as why he was used to lead the group towards something



what i really think is going on is a dimension bled that someone high up was notified about long ago and uses  this subject as a false lead
but like i said wtf do i know bwhahahahah




edit..
i forgot to add this as a parting shot..just follow the above link to this guy's added post
it ends with this..very telling imo

To wrap this up, I'd like to leave you with a quote, reportedly straight from the mouth of Lazar, related to me by someone who once knew him:

"The more incredible the lie, the more people will believe it."

Thus speaketh the Bob. On this one point, I guess I gotta agree with him.

No ..look over there said the voice
bwhahahahahahahahah

[fansongecho]

Not sure if the below goes here or on another Bob L thread?? - move as required though guys.

Questions – (said in the voice of Rutger Hauer from Blade Runner

The famous interview with George Knapp –
1, Although they blacked out Bob's face, they didn't attempt to alter his voice, and why did Bob use the name of his boss Dennis – anyone who has heard Lazar speak would recognise that voice.

2, Lazar states that he approached Edward Teller when he wanted to change his career, he meet him after Teller visited his labs and showed an interest in Bobs rocket car, when was this?

3, Who did Bob work for at A-51, was it the Navy, Air Force, EG&E, The CIA

4, Somewhere in the story it was stated that the reason for role was two or more scientists had tried to investigate the anti-matter part of the UFO propulsion system and they had died in a serious explosion – can Bob explain more about this part of the story, in as much detail as possible.

5, The S4 region of Nellis lays immediately outside of A-51, but with no restrictions of over fly, the RAF Pilots who are involved with Red and Green Flag say there are no height or area restrictions anywhere BUT for A-51 and they say that this is the only area that they know not to approach or fly over during war games, S4 has no such restrictions – why the discrepancy ?? surly Alien Technology would be as classified as any other black project at A-51 and the no-fly would extend as a matter of course to S4.

6, Was Bob a contractor or full-time employee at S4, how many days did he work there?

7, How long was it after Bob L meet John Lear that he started working at A51 / S4?

8, If the Powers that Be, knew that Bob L's wife was having an affair why did they not step in and stop Lazar from working at A51/S-4 – iIntelligence services are not going to allow a Physist with a TS clearance from working on black projects if they know the wife has been compromised – I know of a couple of cases where military personal where removed from their assignments due to spouses being compromised by what was the Soviet KGB in the Cold War.

9, When TPtB discovered that Bob had blabbed to the George Knapp and then the WORLD got to know about the existence of A51 / S4 and alien technology, why didn't they terminate him with extreme prejudice??
John L tells of Bob being shoot at on the highway and Bob seeking refuge at Johns' – from my understanding of the wet teams that exist in the covert world, if they wanted him dead, they would have taken care of him and left no trace of him.

10, When they got him to the USAF Air Force base that John mentions in one or two of his interviews, taking him out of the car with a gun in his ear...  and asking him if he wanted to carry on working on the project.   which Black Ops program director would want someone back on the project after leaking Cosmic SCI secrets to the world??  Does it make any logical sense?? I don't buy this part at all.

11, Can you ask Bob about the mundane parts of the reverse engineering please, for example the alien propulsion system was made of what material, where in the craft was it housed, was it covered with any protective covers, how was it fixed to the craft superstructure? What colour was the interior of the craft. How large was the space to work on the propulsion system, was it removable and could it be removed from the craft and worked or operated in a external jig / assembly?

12, How heavy were the gravity amplifiers, how did they gimble as I understand they could be orientated at different angles to drive the craft when engaged.

13, What system controlled the propulsion system, and how did the team operate and control the propulsion system.

13a, How was the Anti-matter prevented from causing catastrophic explosions when the propulsion systems was in operation?

14, Who was the technical author(s) responsible for creating any documentation or manuscripts about the alien craft? I doubt that the reverse engineering team would attempt to create a version without having huge volumes of technical manuals and data, how did Bob document the findings that he made? And what form did the engineering hand-over take?

15, What Nomenclature was given to the crafts systems and subsystems

That's all I can think of now.

Cheers!

Fans'

[ArMaP]

Thin?  when your boss Springer came out and publicly stated they were in on the Skin Walker deal?  LOL

"Deal"? That word has several meanings, could you be more explicit?

And could you point me to where he said it?

[zorgon]

I am more or less certain that other life exists; I'm just not sure I think it is corporeal or physical in exactly the same way we are.  At this point I'm probably more leaning in the direction of a radio-like, frequency based extradimensional model for aliens, rather than a strictly physical one.  I think an ERP bridge or TARDIS will look more like the real spacecraft of the future, than the space shuttle.

Wasn't that what The Matrix Traveller was trying to show us?

[zorgon]

And could you point me to where he said it?

Yes already posted that thread  lemme go find it

(PS I do understand that you have difficulty reading between the lines and extrapolating the evidence and finding the leads, but in the conspiracy world that skill is most important

Springer

posted on Jul, 8 2018 @ 12:35 AM link   
a reply to: thepixelpusher

Bob sold it to the new owner a couple years ago (or so), you're way behind on the timeline of events here man.

My friend Robbie Williams is an interested party in as much as he was there with us back in March.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1204259/pg42#pid23566161

[zorgon]

JeremyCorbell

posted on Jul, 6 2018 @ 08:01 PM link   
Thanks a reply to: The GUT! Well, I would say that witness testimony is the most compelling evidence we have. As you are probably aware, the intelligence at the ranch doesn't play nice... and doesn't like being recorded. Hard to believe, but seems to be quite true. So we are left with whatever The Phenomenon wants us to have, and testimony is the most compelling to me personally (better than footage of a light swimming in inky darkness). The most shaking moment for me was to have direct access to the ranch over a long period of time, and to discover just how in-depth the DIA programs were at the ranch. My film will touch on this... it will hint that all the UFO news is misleading... because it all started with Skinwalker Ranch... and the biggest part of the story is yet to be told. I hope that helps. Thanks for the question.

[A51Watcher]

it seems that a lot of this doubles back to  b l and his tellall after only a few days on the job..imo
after reading the timeline of his life 
here
http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/the-lazar-timeline/

my observation is that he is one of those very smart motivated by his own interests types and willing to be bought
thereby
my conjecture is that the info he shared was controlled
by whom....the gov
>he was recruited and handled the entire time he was 'employed" (?)
>no one came after him when he supposedly spilled the beans about what he supposedly saw
why  ..
smoke and mirrors..either the searchers of truth were getting to close and needed to be moved away from something
or led to something

i don't think what he saw matters so much as why he was used to lead the group towards something



what i really think is going on is a dimension bled that someone high up was notified about long ago and uses  this subject as a false lead
but like i said wtf do i know bwhahahahah




edit..
i forgot to add this as a parting shot..just follow the above link to this guy's added post
it ends with this..very telling imo

No ..look over there said the voice
bwhahahahahahahahah

The reason Bob Survived spilling the beans is his insurance policy.

They didn't dare eliminate him because he was (and still is) in possession of some pieces of Element 115.

[space otter]

The reason Bob Survived spilling the beans is his insurance policy.

They didn't dare eliminate him because he was (and still is) in possession of some pieces of Element 115.

how do you know that..?
have you seen them?
what would 115 look like and where would you keep it?

i am not a physicist and have never pretended to know more than i do
so i ask questions

but i also base  a lot on gut reaction to what is presented..and my gut reaction to  a lot of this is it's mostly ALL a misdirection
and we seem to be stuck in the 70's with it

when folks are stirred up defending their pet theories (weather true or not) other things are missed  other questions aren't ask

and that's what i think is happening....
this conversation is old news and has been hanging around most of our lives..and it really hasn't gone anywhere besides what folks think is true and fighting about it..

i call it misdirection and ask
what are we missing. ?  and why isn't anyone looking at other stuff?

[A51Watcher]

how do you know that..?

Very early on Bob revealed that he had managed to get 3 pieces of Element 115 smuggled out to him by an employee of EG&G who didn't realize what it was. After that Bob experimented on those pieces in the lab in his house. George even filmed some of those experiments. People have been bugging George for decades to release that tape. He could never find it. 4 names just recently discovered it at Bob's house and included it in his new movie.

Anyway Bob said that soon after the experiments agents showed up at his house and knew from taps and bugs there that he had been experimenting on pieces of 115 and demanded their return. He gave them 2 pieces and kept the 3rd for himself. All he would say after that about it's location is "it's inside a piece of cement."
Ever since that time whenever he has been asked about the 115 he always says "no comment."


have you seen them?

No. Well on film yes.

what would 115 look like and where would you keep it?

It looks like rock or hard clay.

[space otter]

ok well i guess if you believe bob you're good

i don't..i think he is an opportunist that fell into a story and he can't get out of it now
and you can't convince me that if the so called big tough secret gov wanted something from him they wouldn't just take it...
he's pissin in the wind with that story

but hey..that's what i have been saying.. it's down to who /what you believe to be true  and what have we missed while trying to convince each other

i'm not saying there wasn't something there to see
but
what has happened since then ? ..why don't we know more ?..why haven't we moved on?
..  just circles trying to prove or disprove this guy

ya know we (u.s. gov) did have unmanned drones in '44/'45 and now we (the general public) have little ones to play and torment with
   that's a good 73 years

what have we got to show for bob's big deal besides the arguments?

i think it's time to take the questions and do a field search
we're missing something ..that much i do know

[A51Watcher]

ok well i guess if you believe bob you're good

i don't..i think he is an opportunist that fell into a story and he can't get out of it now
and you can't convince me that if the so called big tough secret gov wanted something from him they wouldn't just take it...
he's pissin in the wind with that story

but hey..that's what i have been saying.. it's down to who /what you believe to be true  and what have we missed while trying to convince each other

i'm not saying there wasn't something there to see
but

Thats my whole point. There was something there to see.

Saucer shaped craft that defied all laws of physics.

That fact fits with what he said.



what has happened since then ? ..why don't we know more ?..why haven't we moved on?
..  just circles trying to prove or disprove this guy

ya know we (u.s. gov) did have unmanned drones in '44/'45 and now we (the general public) have little ones to play and torment with
   that's a good 73 years

Source please on the drones?

what have we got to show for bob's big deal besides the arguments?

i think it's time to take the questions and do a field search
we're missing something ..that much i do know

[space otter]

Source please on the drones?

ok just a sec gotta find some of what i've been reading.. you know i don't save anything

here ya go

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[A51Watcher]

i don't..i think he is an opportunist that fell into a story and he can't get out of it now

That's ok, Bob himself says if it were him he doubts if he would believe it.

But can you elaborate on what opportunity or benefit he sought to exploit from this?