News:

Forum is currently set to Admin Approval for New Members
Pegasus Gofundme website



Main Menu

Anyone ever Seen this before? Maybe some of you might know what it is

Started by Canine, April 16, 2019, 05:02:28 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

Canine

It's allegedly from a promo vid or something.

Anyhow I thought it was neat and right up our alley:


spacemaverick

From the past into the future any way I can...Educating...informing....guiding.

WhatTheHey

   Bingo. Just as a craft parts the atmosphere when it reaches high subsonic speed it essentially creates its own convection cloud.  The reflection coming off the

top of the jet is being diffused by the vapor cloud.  Hence the glare that flares up as the cloud forms.

  Cool to see, thanks Canine. 
WhatTheHey

zorgon

Well what you are refering to is a TRANSONIC CLOUD  produced when a plane breaks the sound barrier..

But the B@ is not supposed to be able to do that


B-2 Spirit" by United States Air Force (USAF), published on 16 December 2015

What is amusing is the label says:

That's a transonic United States Air Force B-2 Spirit stealth bomber flying below Mach 1 above the Pacific Ocean. The formation of the B-2 Spirit's condensation cloud involves a phenomenon in fluid mechanics called the Prandtl-Glauert Singularity. This spectacular photo was taken by Bobbi Garcia.

However that image of yours is flickering like a plasma ball. I suppose it could be sunlight causing it... but the B2 has a "plasma skin" maybe we are seeing a rare photo of activation :D

zorgon

Northtrop Gruman B-2 Spirit MHD in action


zorgon

The Mysteries of B2

January 17, 2003 - update December 8, 2005

Page 7

A movie shows the B2 MHD system in action.

When we want to keep a secret, we must be extremely vigilant. Sometimes, some clues transpire. By dialing:

http: //www.is.northropgrumman.com/videos/b2_tx.wmv

on your browser you will see a one-minute, sixteen-second movie, downloadable (1.9 megabytes). It shows a lot of images of the B2 taken in flight, the one shown, not the hypersonic bomber.

V ere the key short excerpt:


Passage of the B2 in transonic over the sea. Migration of the electric discharge (MHD)
in the environment of water vapor. Isolated sequence and converted into a gif animated by Christophe Tardy.

Note that the glow of the discharge only affects the upper part of the device.

The B2 is equipped with a plasma creation system using the flow of ambient air as an MHD generator which allows it, even in subsonic configuration, to surround itself with plasma. The latter is not visible by day. It is this plasma that makes the camera stealthy by absorbing and scattering the radar waves. If this "B2 demonstration" were not the people would be tempted to ask questions since a priori it has a reputation for being undetectable. In the movie this "minimal" MHD system is activated. Normally the electric shock should not have been visible. But when the aircraft flies over the sea, an area saturated with humidity, it makes a passage in transonic. Here we show a wing profile in the transonic regime.


Wing and airplane fuselage in transonic regime.

C is in this region that produces water vapor condensation in fugitive general because the planes are not designed to make long flights to the transonic speed where they are unstable elsewhere. When a device crosses the sound barrier it is a speed range where it does not tend to linger. Same when he slows down. Here is a photo of an F-18 flying over the sea in transonic. It then appears a cloud of variable extension which is obviously white, since it is ... water vapor.



This link points to a video showing the passage of a plane in transonic mode. It is not a "crazy plane" but a classic in fluid mechanics:

http: //www.incroyablement.com/images/videos/asf/avionfou.wmv

In the movie showing the B2 we get something totally different. See the two images below:


he electric shock invades the transonic region where the water vapor condenses.

R emarquer reflection of the light on the top of the wing.


Second image extracted from the film: The vapor bubble is at its maximum extension.
Same thing for the electric shock.

Q u'observe are we? On the upper part of the apparatus, where the MHD system is located, mainly located at the air inlet of the reactors and at the outlet of the nozzle, the vapor bubble is highly luminous. It's normal. Air populated with micro-droplets of water vapor is more conducive to electricity. The electric shock then tends to spread throughout this region. Obviously this bubble of vapor emits light, which is due to the radiative deexcitation of the gas molecules excited by the collisions they undergo with the free electrons constituting the discharge. This brightness is very reduced or absent on the underside of the device.

C ow the Air Force she has missed such images? In our opinion because no one has paid attention. Under normal conditions (those that correspond to all other images in the film) the electric shock is not visible. This was revealed for a short time because the condensation of water vapor due to transonic passage suddenly increased the electrical conductivity of the air. These images were entrusted to a company whose task was then to edit this film a little over a minute. Nobody then paid too much attention to the abnormal coloration and brightness of the vapor bubble during this very brief sequence. It required the eye of a specialist to note this anomaly.

M orality: even when one takes great care to hide things, clues still remain.

On the image below, the same halo phenomenon around the B2 but MHD system not activated.


Halo of micro drops of condensation water around a B2 making a passage in transonic
MHD system not activated. (Photo reported and transmitted by J.Costagliola)


Another image, transmitted by Eric Dezoête
The clouds in the background testify to the humidity of the air

Sent by a reader, Laurent Molieras and found on a lord of the Air Force :



Lots more here

http://www.jp-petit.org/nouv_f/B2/B2_7.htm

petrus4

The B2 has a sufficiently unearthly appearance, that from memory there was speculation about it being an adaptation of crashed UFO tech at one point.  Zorgon probably knows more about that than I would.

I like her, but she is a right strange looking beastie, as Mr. Scott would say. ;)
"Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburgers."
        — Abbie Hoffman

The Seeker

We have discussed the Spirit before, it's unique propulsion systems, and it's transonic cloud: each B2 has Flame-jet generators(patented by T.T. Brown in the early 60's) that positively charge the leading edge of the wing while the exhaust stream is negatively charged, effectively wrapping the plane in a cocoon of plasma...


Look closely: See clearly: Think deeply; and Choose wisely...
Trolls are crunchy and good with ketchup...
Seekers Domain

WhatTheHey

 :)  Thanks Zog! Very cool!  It's a strange color for a discharge. Looks like a sun reflection in color.  Thanks for the info!  So the light is emitted by the discharge and diffusion into the cloud.  Cool!  Then the flare up is light diffusing into the cloud as it forms, but it comes from the plasma system in contact with a high enough level of humidity.  Not a reflection.

  Oh well I got the light source wrong but the flare up right.  Diffusion into the cloud.  Sorry Canine, The color threw me off. Looks like sun reflection.  I shot from the hip. lol
See why hes Zog the great and powerful.  Mr. info. lol   ;)
WhatTheHey

Canine

Thanks for the info guys.

If this is an MHD/exotic system that produces light,  I'd like to see what it looks like at night. Heck it probably wouldn't look anything like a B2.


ArMaP

Quote from: WhatTheHey on April 17, 2019, 04:52:40 PM
Oh well I got the light source wrong but the flare up right.  Diffusion into the cloud.  Sorry Canine, The color threw me off. Looks like sun reflection.  I shot from the hip. lol
That's exactly what it looks like to me, sunlight dispersed by the vapour particles, the direction of the light being responsible for the different look in different photos. In the individual frames of the GIF we can see the shadow of the airplane on the cloud below it, and the part that gets sun light shows the same colour.

WhatTheHey

Quote from: ArMaP on April 25, 2019, 11:45:57 AM
That's exactly what it looks like to me, sunlight dispersed by the vapour particles, the direction of the light being responsible for the different look in different photos. In the individual frames of the GIF we can see the shadow of the airplane on the cloud below it, and the part that gets sun light shows the same colour.
Yes, the reflection color is the same.  I thought the same thing as you saw.
     This plasma shield is very interesting to me too.  It would seem to be a very specific type of shielding for a specific reason.  If it is indeed plasma shielding, it must be of very high temperature.  Even cold plasma's are very hot, and hot plasma's are in the thousands of degrees.
     This being the case it would be a bit like setting up a billboard on ones self saying (HERE I AM MR. HEAT SEEKING MISSILE.)   Maybe there is a specific use for this plasma shielding.  Blocking regular radar or something along that line.  But they better hope no thermal systems see them, or one missile may be all that's needed.    ::)
WhatTheHey

ArMaP

Quote from: WhatTheHey on April 25, 2019, 06:13:04 PM
     Yes, the reflection color is the same.  I thought the same thing as you saw.
Another thing I remembered: if what we see is light being emitted instead of light being refracted and reflected by the vapour cloud then that light should be visible on the rest of the airplane, but we can see that the cockpit area gets darker when the cloud is visible, so it looks like the cloud is blocking the light from the sun and is not emitting any light itself.

The Seeker

Quote from: WhatTheHey on April 25, 2019, 06:13:04 PM
   
     This plasma shield is very interesting to me too.  It would seem to be a very specific type of shielding for a specific reason.  If it is indeed plasma shielding, it must be of very high temperature.  Even cold plasma's are very hot, and hot plasma's are in the thousands of degrees.
     This being the case it would be a bit like setting up a billboard on ones self saying (HERE I AM MR. HEAT SEEKING MISSILE.)   Maybe there is a specific use for this plasma shielding.  Blocking regular radar or something along that line.  But they better hope no thermal systems see them, or one missile may be all that's needed.    ::)
WTH, it isn't a true plasma per se; the system on the B2 is a propulsion system, and according to reports, once the flame jets are turned on at speed, the main engines are shut down, giving it the capability to fly from st louis to iraq and back nonstop without refueling...

no heat signature, virtually invisible to radar; and this was 1985 tech...
Look closely: See clearly: Think deeply; and Choose wisely...
Trolls are crunchy and good with ketchup...
Seekers Domain

ArMaP