Noah's Flood - Fact or Fiction?

[Captain Dave]

Noah's ark found...?

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm


Easter Island Moa's covered by...? Great Flood?

http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2011/10/29/easter-island-heads-have-bodies/

http://www.eisp.org/3879/

Ancient Olmec (South-Central Mexico) tablet depicting volcanic eruption and flooding...?



Large impact crater at the Top of South America...?



Large impact crater at the Southern Tip of South America...?


Ain't that a kick in the nuts...

[undo11]

Noah's ark found...?

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm

there's an interesting video on the subject but only regarding evidence on the other side of the atlantic. nothing about this side of the planet.

[Littleenki]

Good question, Dave, and that Hoah's Ark site is eerily similar to a boat isnt it?

And, yes Ive been kicked in the proverbial "nutz" and it is the ultimate pain!LOL!!!!!!!!

When we say "Noah"s" flood, we are already forcing our selves into a strictured timeline, which has been debated with little finality for hundreds of years. Throughout the worlds history, the strata shows many instances of huge flood and weather events in every geological region, and throughout all periods of humanities existence, and preexistence. As you suggest, asteroids and meteors were most likely the cause os many events, but there is a something different about the flood of the bible.

In a conversation with Hobbit, months ago, he posed the theory of how the Earth's oceans became suspended somehow in the air through a pole shift or gravitational anomaly(cant remember how he said exactly) and had fallen back to Earth in one fell swoop and splash.
Truly it's a wild idea, but when he brought it up and described it, it was amazingly believable, so who knows?

Also, many other civilizations have a flood myth in their history, and many have siggested it was spurred on by Gods interaction with Noah.
Utnapishtim, as he is lesser known was a man who was chosen for his virtue and integrity, and had been the best chance for a survival run through the tumultuos waters of a tsunami or flood.
The story had Noah saving the world, yet other texts say that many survived in the mountains and other hidey holes, and their petroglyphs, and other forms of historical recording show a flood myth, too.

6000-8000 BC and the strata evidence. 
Geological factors that give creedence to this theoretical timeframe are also in play. Around 6000 bc, a number of the worlds largest rivers began to flow excess sediment into their destinations. This began to form wide deltas, that are still existing today.
The chronological evidence in the strata of many rivers shows that they started building sediment up around the end of the sixth millenium bc.
This would indicate that after the inundation of flood waters had occured, the excess water filled the rivers to overflowing capacity, and carried a great deal of sedimentary proof with it down to the end of their flow. Only a massive influx of water could have resulted in the perfect formation of these rivers and their subsequent deltas.

Anyhow, just a theory, and it's a really interesting research subject, as when studying the flood myth, we learn a lot about geology, history, and the way we handle disasters as humans.

Ive also been introduced to a fellow named Giorgio Tsouklaous, who you probably know as the Ancient Alien show creator, Im sure, and he and I had a cool conversation about how the Ark was a dna repository, instead of a animal filled vessel. He is pretty convincing, and I have to say, if there was a way to get animals on an ark, Id like to see it, yet to get a hair or skin sample from animals would be a lot easier!

Another theory for the pile, and whew, is it getting tall!

Cheers!
Littleenki

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I believe Noah's flood was an actual event. But in those times when you talked about the 'world' it could mean a thousand miles in any direction. To the local inhabitants it would seem that the whole 'world' had flooded. And all the animals in 'world' could mean the local animals in the area.
Just my weak thoughts on the subject.
Peace...

[Littleenki]

I believe Noah's flood was an actual event. But in those times when you talked about the 'world' it could mean a thousand miles in any direction. To the local inhabitants it would seem that the whole 'world' had flooded. And all the animals in 'world' could mean the local animals in the area.
Just my weak thoughts on the subject.
Peace...

Floods DID occur.
Your thoughts are right on, Sgt, and how the flood would have seemed world ending to anyone in it's wake. What is really odd, is that these floods seem to occur in the same timeframe all around the world, so a Big Event was probably to blame. Asteroid, hemorrhoid, reptoid, who knows?

Im hearing the Hobbit footsteps in the hall, and will say it first, that everything is scalar, down to the small settlements of humans that were thinking they were the center of the universe, while the larger, smarter settlement on the nearby hill watched them get washed away from the valley floor. Best to be high on the scale, it seems.

Hills are great for many things, and mankind learned early to take the high ground, eh, Sgt? LOL!

Littleenki

[undo11]

Good question, Dave, and that Hoah's Ark site is eerily similar to a boat isnt it?

And, yes Ive been kicked in the proverbial "nutz" and it is the ultimate pain!LOL!!!!!!!!

When we say "Noah"s" flood, we are already forcing our selves into a strictured timeline, which has been debated with little finality for hundreds of years. Throughout the worlds history, the strata shows many instances of huge flood and weather events in every geological region, and throughout all periods of humanities existence, and preexistence. As you suggest, asteroids and meteors were most likely the cause os many events, but there is a something different about the flood of the bible.

In a conversation with Hobbit, months ago, he posed the theory of how the Earth's oceans became suspended somehow in the air through a pole shift or gravitational anomaly(cant remember how he said exactly) and had fallen back to Earth in one fell swoop and splash.
Truly it's a wild idea, but when he brought it up and described it, it was amazingly believable, so who knows?

Also, many other civilizations have a flood myth in their history, and many have siggested it was spurred on by Gods interaction with Noah.
Utnapishtim, as he is lesser known was a man who was chosen for his virtue and integrity, and had been the best chance for a survival run through the tumultuos waters of a tsunami or flood.
The story had Noah saving the world, yet other texts say that many survived in the mountains and other hidey holes, and their petroglyphs, and other forms of historical recording show a flood myth, too.

6000-8000 BC and the strata evidence. 
Geological factors that give creedence to this theoretical timeframe are also in play. Around 6000 bc, a number of the worlds largest rivers began to flow excess sediment into their destinations. This began to form wide deltas, that are still existing today.
The chronological evidence in the strata of many rivers shows that they started building sediment up around the end of the sixth millenium bc.
This would indicate that after the inundation of flood waters had occured, the excess water filled the rivers to overflowing capacity, and carried a great deal of sedimentary proof with it down to the end of their flow. Only a massive influx of water could have resulted in the perfect formation of these rivers and their subsequent deltas.

Anyhow, just a theory, and it's a really interesting research subject, as when studying the flood myth, we learn a lot about geology, history, and the way we handle disasters as humans.

Ive also been introduced to a fellow named Giorgio Tsouklaous, who you probably know as the Ancient Alien show creator, Im sure, and he and I had a cool conversation about how the Ark was a dna repository, instead of a animal filled vessel. He is pretty convincing, and I have to say, if there was a way to get animals on an ark, Id like to see it, yet to get a hair or skin sample from animals would be a lot easier!

Another theory for the pile, and whew, is it getting tall!

Cheers!
Littleenki

the text in the bible referring to noah's flood, in the original language, did not include words like "all" or "everywhere".  i also think there's more than one flood being referenced, a global pre-homosapian flood that was part of the ice age, and a isolated event known as the black sea flood that is most likely the inspiration for the passages in genesis, the story of atrahasis and the epic of gilgamesh.

as far as the atmosphere goes consider this: mars once had an atmosphere.  to the ancient hebrews, earth was the solid ground you could stand on, versus water.  so anywhere there was solid ground, it was called earth.  at the time, the planet was not called earth.  so if the solid ground was on another planet, like mars, for example, it would still have been called earth. 

after reading my info on possible stargate like technology in ancient sumer being related to water and attached somehow to the flood, zorgon suddenly said he thought maybe that's what happened to the atmosphere of mars. in otherwords, the water on mars was pumped literally, thru the stargates in mars underwater locations, to the planet earth's underwater stargate locations, resulting in devastating two planets at once.  without its water, mars' atmosphere dried and thinned out. with a new influx of water, earth's atmosphere became like a greenhouse, which eventually precipitated out.  i believe the text claims it didn't rain before then but dew would rise up from the ground and water everything, like a garden greenhouse

[undo11]

I believe Noah's flood was an actual event. But in those times when you talked about the 'world' it could mean a thousand miles in any direction. To the local inhabitants it would seem that the whole 'world' had flooded. And all the animals in 'world' could mean the local animals in the area.
Just my weak thoughts on the subject.
Peace...

was it "world" or "earth" in the original language?  if it was "earth", earth would've been a very generic term at the time, to mean "land".
the "earth" as a planet name, was not the same thing as the "earth" as in "land." the torah texts are so condensed, that you have to pay strict attention to each word and try to reference as many as possible back to the original language.   people who maintain positions on the text, do so from generational 'layering' of opinions of their elders and predecessors, rather than what the text actually says.  that's bad scholarship and is one of the things that has lead to having so many different sects

[Littleenki]

 

after reading my info on possible stargate like technology in ancient sumer being related to water and attached somehow to the flood, zorgon suddenly said he thought maybe that's what happened to the atmosphere of mars. in otherwords, the water on mars was pumped literally, thru the stargates in mars underwater locations, to the planet earth's underwater stargate locations, resulting in devastating two planets at once.  without its water, mars' atmosphere dried and thinned out. with a new influx of water, earth's atmosphere became like a greenhouse.

Now that's what Im talkin about, Undo! What an amazing theory, and truly my favorite so far, as a big fan of possible stargate tech in Sumer, hence my screenname, Enki, my father and the overlord of the water. Which of our millions of unique sea creatures actually got their start on mars, I wonder, and how much of our DNA came with that wave of water, and were the martians using the water as an insulator from the stargate, so they could all travel safely through it to Earth, and assume their place here as the dominant species?

Wow, what an idea, Zorgon is a genious to the 42nd power, and I think you and I are on the same page stargate wise, Undo!:D

Sounds like a great idea for a short story......

I DO believe stargate tech was very possible, and there's a place where the stargate is still there...Puerto de Hayu Marka, the gate of the gods.
Im certain weve all learned of it, so I wont post a link, but when you see the gate, and it's assymetrical shape, it harkens to those twelve sided Inca stones we also are aware of in Cuzco.
Assymetry is the anti-matter of the universe, as symmetry is the matter, and resonance ties it all together.
What a big step forward it would be for our scientists and stargate enthusiasts to finally realize a stargate needs to be assymetrical to work. Ive speculated it for years, and have met many who agree, so why not think about how assymetrical forms can balance out the symmetrical forms and allow us to step back and forth through a stargate which is opened at the meeting point.
I think of the opposing spirals, and how they are what it looked like to a primitive people when the stargate opened, and released it's coiled fringe energy. The folks who saw this were probably in a hurry to scratch it out on a rock, and hence the spirals, and cup and ring marks we know well.

I do like to think that although the gate to the gods looks assymetrical, a math whiz could probably find some link to the shape and it's points and planes. Then apply these formulas and equations to the beginning of a stargate tech foundation, financed by who else but Richard Branson! He would have a stargate built in five years, if he could be given the chance.

Ok,OK, I love stargate tech, you got me, and I do believe there is truth to the matter, and Sumer is the key. Control the water, and you control the world. Even if it's not from your world.
Hey Enlil, you cant stop me now!
Littleenki

[Littleenki]

was it "world" or "earth" in the original language?  if it was "earth", earth would've been a very generic term at the time, to mean "land".
the "earth" as a planet name, was not the same thing as the "earth" as in "land." the torah texts are so condensed, that you have to pay strict attention to each word and try to reference as many as possible back to the original language.   people who maintain positions on the text, do so from generational 'layering' of opinions of their elders and predecessors, rather than what the text actually says.  that's bad scholarship and is one of the things that has lead to having so many different sects

Thats a good point, Undo, and one posed by many scholars who are reluctant to solidly define any words and their translations in ancient texts, as there are so many differing translations, we cant pin down one set of definite words.
I think Earth is the word we are looking at, as the word World is not something that was understood back then. They didnt think there were any others except humans on Earth, so world is a word that had no place or usefulness for them.

I look back on one man, a genious in his own right, yet scorned and castigated by the science community for his deciphering of Sumerian texts...Zecharia Sitchkin.
In the course of a career, he went from promising young prodigy, to insane quack with visions of other planets perturbing us and shifting our poles. He thought he had got it right on, but some of the translations he did seemed to be a bit off, so they were all shot down in one fell swoop.

Ill have to say, I dont have a clue as to what Sumerian writing says, yet i have always felt a bond with Enki, and his playful nature towards humanity, and a flood was Enki's way of getting his point across, back in the day!

Get your trunks on folks, Im thinking of water!

Cheers!
Littleenki

[undo11]

Now that's what Im talkin about, Undo! What an amazing theory, and truly my favorite so far, as a big fan of possible stargate tech in Sumer, hence my screenname, Enki, my father and the overlord of the water. Which of our millions of unique sea creatures actually got their start on mars, I wonder, and how much of our DNA came with that wave of water, and were the martians using the water as an insulator from the stargate, so they could all travel safely through it to Earth, and assume their place here as the dominant species?

Wow, what an idea, Zorgon is a genious to the 42nd power, and I think you and I are on the same page stargate wise, Undo!:D

Sounds like a great idea for a short story......

I DO believe stargate tech was very possible, and there's a place where the stargate is still there...Puerto de Hayu Marka, the gate of the gods.
Im certain weve all learned of it, so I wont post a link, but when you see the gate, and it's assymetrical shape, it harkens to those twelve sided Inca stones we also are aware of in Cuzco.
Assymetry is the anti-matter of the universe, as symmetry is the matter, and resonance ties it all together.
What a big step forward it would be for our scientists and stargate enthusiasts to finally realize a stargate needs to be assymetrical to work. Ive speculated it for years, and have met many who agree, so why not think about how assymetrical forms can balance out the symmetrical forms and allow us to step back and forth through a stargate which is opened at the meeting point.
I think of the opposing spirals, and how they are what it looked like to a primitive people when the stargate opened, and released it's coiled fringe energy. The folks who saw this were probably in a hurry to scratch it out on a rock, and hence the spirals, and cup and ring marks we know well.

I do like to think that although the gate to the gods looks assymetrical, a math whiz could probably find some link to the shape and it's points and planes. Then apply these formulas and equations to the beginning of a stargate tech foundation, financed by who else but Richard Branson! He would have a stargate built in five years, if he could be given the chance.

Ok,OK, I love stargate tech, you got me, and I do believe there is truth to the matter, and Sumer is the key. Control the water, and you control the world. Even if it's not from your world.
Hey Enlil, you cant stop me now!
Littleenki

i have it all laid out in the stargates are real thread on ats. essentially, well, it's rather complicated.  it goes like this:

the ancient sumerian priests had names for most of the planets, but earth was not clearly named. this is because earth was originally used to refer to dry land.  that means earth as a planet, was more likely nibiru.  this is further qualified by the fact that en.lil's big sumerian temple, the e.kur, was located on the euphrates river at nibru, which means the crossing place.

assyriologists think that's just a reference to the crossing of the euphrates at that location, but in fact, it was more indepth than that.   the places below were mirrored from the places above.   there was a "euphrates river" in the sky, mirrored unto the ground of this planet.  when a planet  crossed that point, it was said to be nibiru (crossing).

mars was associated, even then, with the constellation known today as taurus the bull.   you can see echoes of it in references to enlil and enki as "bulls", and the various other hints and clues.  so whenever i read an excerpt from that time frame, referring to the BULL OF HEAVEN, I not only think of taurus but also of Mars. and let's not forget the precessional age of taurus and how it may have some clues to reveal what happened to mars.

but there's more!  enlil had his own "Abzu" (my theory is the abzu was the general name for the stargates and later, more specific terminology such as Abyss (see the book of revelation, the book of enoch),  Lake of "Fire" (both egyptian texts and biblical), "Portal of the Lords of Eternity" (see shabaka stone reference), "Hathor" and  "Sekhmet" (see the egyptian text, "legend of the destruction of mankind") and "Babel" (see KA.DINGIR.RA and Bab-ilu, in the bible and akkadian-sumerian texts) were disconnected from their original etymological moorings by scholars who didn't have access to the sumerian information until recently.  (sumer was found buried under 8ft of flood silt)). 

Anyway, both enlil and enki were lords of the abyss, however, enki seems to have been the one referenced most often in relation to the abzu.   and to taurus and mars.   (just think, taurus is an "earth" astrological sign and what did en.ki mean?  yeah.....) .   you can see big clues on this thread of thought in the references to the bull of heaven.  in one such example the bull of heaven sucks a bunch of homes and buildings and people, livestock, up into its mouth and then, later, releases it all.  this i believe is zorgon's mars event.

however, i should stipulate that there appears to have been different size gates: personal sized ones were in temples, whereas the big ones, big enough to allow the passage of space ships, were in the big bodies of water, like the persian gulf, for example.

and that was like the clep note version lol

[undo11]

enuma elish screws the story up quite a bit by deifying (making the gate a god) the gate and the wormhole. the abzu became a guy named abzu. and the wormhole became a lady named tiamat. nooo, they were not people or gods for that matter.  one was a piece of gated  technology capable of generating a wormhole (an abzu, an abyss, a wormhole) and the other was the wormhole.
if you read the section where it refers to tiamat basically mating with kingu after abzu dies, realize that is saying that the abzu gate was SHUT DOWN and tiamat's connection was CUT OFF, the wormhole was severed (see any reference to gilgmesh slaying a beast by cutting it in half  or norse mythos about the binding of fenrir), and so the wormhole reconnected at a different gate, called kingu.  after that, she starts cranking out all manner of alien sounding lifeforms.   it was war, afterall. i think of that as "war of the stargates". 

[Littleenki]

enuma elish screws the story up quite a bit by deifying (making the gate a god) the gate and the wormhole. the abzu became a guy named abzu. and the wormhole became a lady named tiamat. nooo, they were not people or gods for that matter.  one was a piece of gated  technology capable of generating a wormhole (an abzu, an abyss, a wormhole) and the other was the wormhole.
if you read the section where it refers to tiamat basically mating with kingu after abzu dies, realize that is saying that the abzu gate was SHUT DOWN and tiamat's connection was CUT OFF, the wormhole was severed (see any reference to gilgmesh slaying a beast by cutting it in half  or norse mythos about the binding of fenrir), and so the wormhole reconnected at a different gate, called kingu.  after that, she starts cranking out all manner of alien sounding lifeforms.   it was war, afterall. i think of that as "war of the stargates".

Brilliant, Undo, and very clear and concise as well! You have a great handle on the Sumerian history that is so important in the present. I hope to reach half that level some day in my knowledge of them.
Your idea of words that were previously thought of as names, being actual objects of technology is spot on.
Great post, Undo!
Littleenki

[Captain Dave]

I agree! Undo11 is just Amazing Awesome!

[Shasta56]

Flood stories and creation stories are worldwide, so I think there's something to them.  If nothing else the Irish Rovers had a good tune about the flood.  I still feel really bad for the unicorns.

Shasta

[hobbit]

With any system , it is imperative to know how it operates, and then to realise what the consequences are of that system failing or overloading.
WHY is the water where it is presently?
WHY do the clouds float overhead holding so much when this so called gravity should PULL it downwards?
SOMETHING is wrong, nes pas?
hobbit