Noah's Flood - Fact or Fiction?

[The Matrix Traveller]

Yes Captain..... you are definitely on the right path now with this.   


Water is like a Program Filter. And is in the "Decoding" end of the "Processing System".

This is why the Baptism of Water etc. And there is also the Baptism of FIRE (The Holy Spirit)

This is Through The LIGHT I have talked about recently here in your Forum.     


In this writing... below, it refers to the Water.

From one of the Ancient Writings Quote;

"Tell me, Lord, the earthquake that moves the earth, how does it move?"

The Lord took a stone and held it in His hand.

133.   He said, "What is this that I hold in My hand?"

He said, "It is a stone."

He said to them, "He Who Sustains the earth is He Who Sustains The Heaven.

When a Word comes forth from The Greatness,

It will go to Him Who Sustains The Heaven and the earth.

For the earth does NOT move; if it moved, it would fall,
but it does NOT fall in order that The First WORD might not be Annulled,

Namely 'He is The One Who Established The World,
and He Dwelt in It, and He received incense from It.'

For everything that does NOT move I will bring to you, all ye sons of men,

MEN NOT A' DAM which is the "Flesh".

The Title "MAN" or "MEN" is the Name given to The SOUL, and NOT The "Flesh".

Hence The Return of "The SON of MAN" and NOT "The Son of A' DAM".

The Son of MAN is to do with The Soul Construct.

Continued,  Quote;

for you are from That Place.

"As for those who speak out of joy and Truth, you are in their heart.

And if He comes from The Body of The Father through men,
and they do NOT receive Him,

He turns again to His Place.

He who knows not The Works of Perfection knows Nothing.

If one does NOT stand in the darkness, he will NOT be able to SEE The LIGHT.

134. If one does NOT understand how The Fire came to be, he will burn in It,

because he does NOT know his Root.

If one does NOT First Understand The Water, he does NOT know anything.

For what is the use for him to receive baptism in it?

If one does NOT understand how The Wind that blows came to be, he will run from It.

If one does NOT understand how the body that he wears came to be,
he will perish with It.

And he who does NOT know The SON, how will he know The FATHER?

And he who will NOT know the Root of All things, All things are hidden from him.

He who will NOT know the root of wickedness is NOT a stranger to it.

He who will NOT understand how he came will NOT understand how he will go,

and is NOT a stranger to this world which will perish and which will be Humbled."

[The Matrix Traveller]

Here is a VIEW of Noah's Flood in its TRUE Context.

And the Proof found in the Ancient Writings.


From "The Book of Genesis" Ch. 7 verses 18 to 20   Quote;

18.   And the waters prevailed,
and were increased greatly upon the Earth;
and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

19.   And the waters prevailed  exceedingly
upon the Earth;
and ALL the High Hills,
that were under the whole Heaven
were covered.

20.   Fifteen cubits upward did the water prevail;
and the mountains were covered.

Most seem to jump to the conclusion that the waters were exceedingly deep,
Covering the highest mountains.

But this is Incorrect understanding as the writings say plainly, in verse 20, quote;

20.  Fifteen cubits upward did the water prevail;
and the mountains were covered.

But hang on... According to the human understanding there are 2 main measurements of the Cubit, YES?

The "Profane Cubit" approximately 18 inches
and the other "The Royal Cubit" 21 inches ?

So the DEPTH of the water Covering the Whole Earth, from the ground upward
was in the Form of a LAYER or SKIN of Water over the Whole"surface"
i.e. Following the Contour of the Land, covering over the whole of the Earth's surface.

This layer or skin of water was only 15 Cubits THICK or in DEPTH !

Much much different than people are taught by the churches or Academics today !

NO ONE talks about this Measurement but sadly Jump to Incorrect Conclusions.

NOTE; 15 Cubits is only between 270 inches (22.5 Feet or 6.858 Meters)
and 315 inches (26 feet 3inches or 8.001 Meters).

Nothing at all what people imagine today...

So what causes this layer or skin of Water to flow over the whole land.

2 things...

a.    The Inertia produced by the following water gushing out from the Trenches...

Re. Genesis Ch. 7 verse 11  Quote;

11.   In the six hundredth of Noah's Life,
in the second month, the seventh day of the month,
the same day were ALL the FOUNTAINS
of the Great deep broke up,
and the windows of Heaven were opened.

and
b.   The Rain falling as a result of this Water Gushing or Exploding out of the FOUNTAINS
i.e the Trenches, then falling Earthward in the Form of Rain.

No one talks about these FOUNTAINS today ! WHY?

So where did the Water of The  FOUNTAINS come from and what are these  FOUNTAINS ?

The Fountains were the OPENED TRENCHES and the Water came OUT
from UNDER the Earth's CRUST !


This is why such writings in the Roman New Testament refer to the Seas.


In "The Gospel According to Luke" Ch. 21 verse 25 for example  Quote;

25.   And there shall be signs in the SUN
and in the MOON,
and in the STARS;
and upon the Earth distress of Nations,
with perplexity;
the SEA and the WAVES ROARING;

26.   Mens hearts Failing them for Fear,
and for looking after those things
which are coming on the Earth:
for the Powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Now.... do we see the Scenario ?

"The Food of Noah" and what is about to take Place involving the SUN

re. Zorgons Forum  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1127.msg11965#msg11965

and "The Earth's Thermal Cycle" involving the Changing of the SEAS ?

These 2 Events are Connected with each other.

i.e. their Location of the SEAS, between Under and Above the Earth's Crust ?

When will People wake up to this ?

[Captain Dave]

0 to 22-26 foot is a pretty respectable increase... + swells raising it even higher. Add Chaotic High Winds, Thunder, Lightning, Tornado's, Darkened Skies, Debris flying around in both Air and Sea banging into your hull, Excessive Noise, The occasional Huge Wave, Screaming from animals or people who are stuck out in it... and even an Atheist will start praying.

[rdunk]

Quote Matrix Traveller -

Most seem to jump to the conclusion that the waters were exceedingly deep,
Covering the highest mountains.

But this is Incorrect understanding as the writings say plainly, in verse 20, quote;

Quote
20.  Fifteen cubits upward did the water prevail;
and the mountains were covered.

But hang on... According to the human understanding there are 2 main measurements of the Cubit, YES?

The "Profane Cubit" approximately 18 inches
and the other "The Royal Cubit" 21 inches ?

So the DEPTH of the water Covering the Whole Earth, from the ground upward
was in the Form of a LAYER or SKIN of Water over the Whole"surface"
i.e. Following the Contour of the Land, covering over the whole of the Earth's surface.

This layer or skin of water was only 15 Cubits THICK or in DEPTH !

Much much different than people are taught by the churches or Academics today !

NO ONE talks about this Measurement but sadly Jump to Incorrect Conclusions.

NOTE; 15 Cubits is only between 270 inches (22.5 Feet or 6.858 Meters)
and 315 inches (26 feet 3inches or 8.001 Meters).

Nothing at all what people imagine today...

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Hi Matrix T! In my reviewing your comments, I would like to suggest another possibility for consideration, that might make us think a little more about the "depth" of the water over the Earth.

What was God's intention for flooding the Earth? Well, in Genesis 7:4, God says, "I will blot out from the face of the land everything that I have made".

In Genesis 7:23, it says, " Thus He blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky, and they were blotted out from the earth; and only Noah was left, together with those that were with him in the ark. 

So, God wanted this to be done by a natural rain, by his hand, causing it to rain for 40 days and 40 nights. Water from the great deep too (Gen. 7:11)?

My question to consider, how does God accomplish his goal, with natural water, without submerging the tip of the tallest mountains of the earth?? It would seem to me, that this could not be done according to God's purpose, with only a few cubits depth of water, because that would leave a lot of mountainous land available for survivors, of all kinds. 

Of course it does say in Gen. 7:19-20 ".........all the high hills were covered.......the mountains were covered". So, I guess we know they were covered.

A possible different interpretation of the "cubits" depth could be - -water was that cubits' depth above the highest mountain???

[undo11]

earth = erets (land) not the planet.  it's the dirt, the soil, the land surface, not the planet. 

i agree that the "fountains of the deep" "breaking up," sounds like what you're theorizing is accurate, but i don't think it's that simple. i could be wrong, but i keep finding the same trail and it keeps pointing back to the deep being the abyss and the abyss being a wormhole / blackhole and the fountains being the eyes (doors of the wormholes), and the wormholes have gates,  doors, that can only be unlocked with a "key". 

"fountains of the deep" is actually "eyes (gates/doors) of the deep". 

why does it require an angel to come down and open one of the doors of the abyss, in revelation 9?  some think the angel coming down refers to a star falling to earth. the hebrews always referred to rocks and stones that fell to earth as rocks and stones that fell to the earth.  an angel falling to the earth, is an entirely different thing. not only does it come down to the earth, it's male, and it has a key, that opens the gate of the abyss in the area of the euphrates river in southernmost iraq where the new shoreline and river banks have been created by like 3000 + years of silt deposition from the euphrates, extending the land and shoreline of it out into the persian gulf by like 65 miles.

it says that angel comes down, opens the abyss with a key and out of it comes, not water, but flying, metal armored "things", described as a combo of what sounds to be parts of constelltions (hair of woman=virgo, teeth of lion=leo, tail of scorpion=scorpio).  if the abyss/deep was a crack in the floor of the sea that spews water out, how come this opening in revelation 9 mentions no water coming out of it?

[The Matrix Traveller]

My question to consider, how does God accomplish his goal, with natural water,
without submerging the tip of the tallest mountains of the earth??

It would seem to me, that this could not be done according to God's purpose,
with only a few cubits depth of water, because that would leave a lot of mountainous land
available for survivors, of all kinds.

You haven't understood what I described...   

The Water Slopped if you like, OVER the Mountains (15 Cubits deep.) Like a covering
over the Face of The Earth. (Like a Blanket.)

The Earth reeling to and Fro like a Drunked causing the Water to pass over any Mountains.

As I have said I was Shown this by the LIGHT NOT humankind.

The LIGHT is "The LIFE of God"...

See The Gospel According to John Ch. 1 verses 1 to 13.

I am powerless to change these writings.

I have No need to guess....   

Anyone on the Earth NOT in a boat would be drowned a bit like the Latest tsunami in Japan
but instead sweeping over the whole face of the earth..  not just coastal regions only

[The Matrix Traveller]

i could be wrong, but i keep finding the same trail and it keeps pointing back
to the deep being the abyss and the abyss being a wormhole / blackhole and the fountains
being the eyes (doors of the wormholes), and the wormholes have gates,  doors,
that can only be unlocked with a "key".

"fountains of the deep" is actually "eyes (gates/doors) of the deep".

I understand your reasoning BUT I was showed something quite Different by the LIGHT
and "reasoning", never entered what I was shown.

The Key you refer to is Knowledge !

The "Eyes" refer to the Octagons In the Face of The Horse (See the Revelation of Jesus Christ
regarding "Horses". There is more than One meaning to the Word HORSE
like in a "HORSE", Chest Nut is certainly Nothing at all, like the Animal.
The Word HORSE in this Context, means LARGE and ROUND.)
or Large Round "Disc" in your Vision i.e. your Field of Vision.

If you close your eyes and relax, for say 30 minutes, and study
what is in your sight (Vision) with your eyes closed You can plainly see "The Face of the Deep"
and the eddies in the Face if you relax and watch Patiently during
this time.

The First Heaven was Not the Sky, but the Firmament between
the Waters forming the Heaven of Heavens, (Which you can see in your sight
with your eyes closed.)

If you study what is in your vision as I have described you will see the Spirit of GOD,
moving over the Waters.

What you say by calling the Deep the "Abyss" is Indeed Correct, as it is "Conceptually" Bottomless
having No Dimension involving depth or thickness.

I explain HOW All came from NOTHING in my Forums; In the first 2 in, the forum "Processing System"

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=649.0

This is about "The LIGHT".

and then....

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=651.0

Staring from NOTHING...

Your whole experience is in-between the Faces of a Plane often referred to as "The Face of GOD"
as only One face can be seen at a time i.e. the Face in front of you.

[rdunk]

You haven't understood what I described...   

The Water Slopped if you like, OVER the Mountains (15 Cubits deep.) Like a covering
over the Face of The Earth. (Like a Blanket.)

The Earth reeling to and Fro like a Drunked causing the Water to pass over any Mountains.

As I have said I was Shown this by the LIGHT NOT humankind.

The LIGHT is "The LIFE of God"...

See The Gospel According to John Ch. 1 verses 1 to 13.

I am powerless to change these writings.

I have No need to guess....   

Anyone on the Earth NOT in a boat would be drowned a bit like the Latest tsunami in Japan
but instead sweeping over the whole face of the earth..  not just coastal regions only

Oh Matrix, I understood what you said perfectly. To me, the "sloshing around" doesn't line up with what God's word says about the finality and certain death for all land breathing life. The Word says that the highest mountains were covered, and that pretty much settles it for me, as described. 

I kinda think, as God did not complicate the "salvation" of Noah, his family, and the animals in the ark, he likely did not require a complicated outpouring of water, outside of the rain for forty days and forty nights. But he could have!!!!

Then, when you consider a "rain" deep enough that covers the highest mountain (26,000 ft say) in 40 days/nights, would have to measure about 27 feet of rain per hour, Earth-wide- - - ie biblical in proportion!!!

Outside of the biblical description, we will never know for sure otherwise - IMO of course!

Matrix, I do understand your comments about being "shown", but then in my own self, I have no way to actually consider that, other than it is interesting. I hope you understand, and are not "disappointed"!

[undo11]

I understand your reasoning BUT I was showed something quite Different by the LIGHT
and "reasoning", never entered what I was shown.

The Key you refer to is Knowledge !

The "Eyes" refer to the Octagons In the Face of The Horse (See the Revelation of Jesus Christ
regarding "Horses". There is more than One meaning to the Word HORSE
like in a "HORSE", Chest Nut is certainly Nothing at all, like the Animal.
The Word HORSE in this Context, means LARGE and ROUND.)
or Large Round "Disc" in your Vision i.e. your Field of Vision.

If you close your eyes and relax, for say 30 minutes, and study
what is in your sight (Vision) with your eyes closed You can plainly see "The Face of the Deep"
and the eddies in the Face if you relax and watch Patiently during
this time.

The First Heaven was Not the Sky, but the Firmament between
the Waters forming the Heaven of Heavens, (Which you can see in your sight
with your eyes closed.)

If you study what is in your vision as I have described you will see the Spirit of GOD,
moving over the Waters.

What you say by calling the Deep the "Abyss" is Indeed Correct, as it is "Conceptually" Bottomless
having No Dimension involving depth or thickness.

I explain HOW All came from NOTHING in my Forums; In the first 2 in, the forum "Processing System"

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=649.0

This is about "The LIGHT".

and then....

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=651.0

Staring from NOTHING...

Your whole experience is in-between the Faces of a Plane often referred to as "The Face of GOD"
as only One face can be seen at a time i.e. the Face in front of you.

what about the rest of the information then?  have you read that chapter?  here it is:

Revelation 9

1And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

2And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

3And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

5And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

6And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

7And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

8And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

9And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

10And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

11And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

12One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

13And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

14Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

15And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

16And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

17And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

18By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

19For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

20And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

21Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

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you've simplified its original meaning to the point of it not resembling itself anymore and then reinterpreted tiny pieces of it to mean something else, ignoring whole sections of it.

[Littleenki]

damn, here come the nightmares!
LE

[The Matrix Traveller]

 

what about the rest of the information then?  have you read that chapter?  here it is:

I hope you NOT trying to Insult Me ?

I have Past beyond what is described here.

I can Show you ALL the various Angels and what they do in both Hexagonal Format and Octagonal Format.

Can You ?

Not only have I studied this Book, many, many times, in both English and the Original Greek Versions, I have also held "The Book of LIFE" in my Own hands, "Outside" your Universe.

It is written in The ZION Language.

I have also been through "The Metamorphosis of The SOUL" described in "The Revelation of Jesus Christ".

Have You?

The Academics believe this writing to be an "Apocalyptic Writing" which it isn't at all.

They believe this writing to be an "Apocalyptic Writing" because they have absolutely
NO understanding at all.

It is NOT a Collective event, and does NOT involve the Flesh !

ALL Flesh Perishes, as I showed from The Book of E' NOCH.

This Book "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" is The Revealing of "The MAN Child",
and the Other Components of The Soul.

The Book was Reported to have been Written by John, Revealing "The SON of MAN"
and "The MAN Child" see Ch. 12.

What is being told as a "Parable" is NOT for the Monkey or Primate i.e the Flesh
but instead it is for The "Inner True Mind", i.e,. The Center of "The True Mind" or LIFE.

I have been to "The Marriage Supper" and Entered "The New Jerusalem",
which is In the "Inner" section of the Soul.

All these Components are shown in my Forums, and what I have Not shown so far
I will also reveal.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is an Awesome and Beautiful experience unlike anything you can Imagine.   

You are wasting your time to try and understand it as a Primate....

To know what it is about, You have to pass through "The Metamorphosis of the Soul" as described.

Having been through This Myself  I do NOT have to guess what it is about
as though a Primate, only Guessing in Fear of their own End.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Hi Littleenki,

Do NOT Fear these Writings, and what the human Primate believes, or doesn't believe.

They are TERRIFIED of their Own End.

The "Fear" Comes from a LACK of Knowledge Regarding "The PLACE of LIFE".

TRUST 100% in LIFE and do NOT listen to the "Flesh".

The "Flesh" WARS against The SOUL.

[Captain Dave]

damn, here come the nightmares!
LE

Lol Nah, go somewhere fun instead. The Ocean underwater is Great! Silent and Peacefull.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Lol Nah, go somewhere fun instead. The Ocean underwater is Great! Silent and Peacefull.

Love your Humor Captain...

Why are People SO Damn Morbid about these writings ?

[Captain Dave]

Love your Humor Captain...

Why are People SO Damn Morbid about these writings ?

Great Mystery can invoke Great Passion? Combined together with the Mystery that is our Creator? Our quest to find the right answer so we don't get into trouble? Fear of the unknown and our part in it?

Because society is perched on the edge, holding their breath, waiting for something bad to happen? Because word has spread throughout the concious world that something bad is going to happen? Because bad things have happened before and we don't want them to happen again?

I dunno, seems like there is alot of fear running around our world these days. No need for it though.

All I know is that I was created and I live. I have no fear because my Creator is with me where ever I am. There is nothing to fear, only more to learn. We will all go back to our Creator eventually - in fact we really never left.

It's a fine Adventure!

Cheers!