Noah's Flood - Fact or Fiction?

[undo11]

I don't believe you are as you put it an idiot... I refuse to believe it anyway...

The questions you ask are Not a part of this forum...   

For this discussion please address this in my Forum Questions & Answers. 

I look forward to your questions there...      

tap dancing around the question.  shame on ya.  i have A.D.D.  YOU JUST lost my interest. hehe! 

when you decide to talk to me normally, get back to me.

[The Matrix Traveller]

tap dancing around the question.  shame on ya.  i have A.D.D.  YOU JUST lost my interest. hehe! 

when you decide to talk to me normally, get back to me.

I am just showing Respect for this Forums Moderator.

I am most certainly not tap dancing as I invited you into my Forums... To ask ANY questions...

Perhaps you aren't interested after all, but that is your choice.

[undo11]

I am just showing Respect for this Forums Moderator.

I am most certainly not tap dancing as I invited you into my Forums... To ask ANY questions...

Perhaps you aren't interested after all, but that is your choice.

okay, tmt, you are a gentlespirit, but frankly, i don't believe very much of what you say, and that's because it doesn't agree with what i say. haha!  now then, are you gonna be honest an admit you are having the same issues or are we gonna tap dance around that too? 

this here is the deal. most of what you quote is straight from the mouth of jesus.  you quote his words, at least, the ones you like, and then scold me for quoting his words as well or for referencing anything outside your personal view of his words.  that's fine and dandy, just realize that you are doing that and i'm not going to beat around the bush about it.  it is what it is. plain and simple.   

don't ask me not to take the words of others into account when you have plainly done so, unless you mean to say you are jesus ? 

in which case i will ask how the sam hill did only some of your words get in the bible and who said the rest of the stuff?

[The Matrix Traveller]

okay, tmt, you are a gentlespirit, but frankly, i don't believe very much of what you say, and that's because it doesn't agree with what i say. haha!  now then, are you gonna be honest an admit you are having the same issues or are we gonna tap dance around that too? 

this here is the deal. most of what you quote is straight from the mouth of jesus.  you quote his words, at least, the ones you like, and then scold me for quoting his words as well or for referencing anything outside your personal view of his words.  that's fine and dandy, just realize that you are doing that and i'm not going to beat around the bush about it.  it is what it is. plain and simple.   

don't ask me not to take the words of others into account when you have plainly done so, unless you mean to say you are jesus ? 

in which case i will ask how the sam hill did only some of your words get in the bible and who said the rest of the stuff?

      

It is your free will to believe or interpret anything in the way you wish to, that is you right.

I am NOT here to convince you or anyone of anything, but merely to pass on what I have seen
and been shown.

Not sure why you are attacking me in this way or what your motives are

Regarding the man you call "Jesus", He was a trades person a Builder/carpenter in fact,
who was recorded as being around approx 2,000 years ago that is according to the records.

Some see him as another Philosopher.

Perhaps your interpretation of this carpenter is much different than mine

But as I said, My Forums are NOT about "Religion", So I don't get your point ?

You have lost me on that one...   

[undo11]

      

It is your free will to believe or interpret anything in the way you wish to, that is you right.

I am NOT here to convince you or anyone of anything, but merely to pass on what I have seen
and been shown.

Not sure why you are attacking me in this way or what your motives are

Regarding the man you call "Jesus", He was a trades person a Builder/carpenter in fact,
who was recorded as being around approx 2,000 years ago that is according to the records.

Some see him as another Philosopher.

Perhaps your interpretation of this carpenter is much different than mine

But as I said, My Forums are NOT about "Religion", So I don't get your point ?

You have lost me on that one...   

do you have a photographic memory?  maybe you read the new testament and whole chunks of it are like glued to your brain somehow?   

anyway, the topic of the thread is treading into sumerian-akkadian history.  which your "contacts", who you've decided you shouldn't reveal even though you brought them up in this thread,
said it's a cyclic phenomenon  and therefore none of the words of the ancient texts are legit. lol

if i had a dollar, hmm, no, not a dollar. ... if i had a gold coin for everytime i was told that nothing in history is accurate, except the pieces people want to believe, i'd be swimming in gold coins (doesn't sound so good. make that, if i had a great book for every time i was told that i was quoting religion when i used passages from the bible, but they were quoting obvious wisdom when they used passages from the bible i'd have the biggest library in the world).

[The Matrix Traveller]

do you have a photographic memory?  maybe you read the new testament and whole chunks of it are like glued to your brain somehow?

there is no need to go that way undo11...

anyway, the topic of the thread is treading into sumerian-akkadian history.  which your "contacts", who you've decided you shouldn't reveal even though you brought them up in this thread,
said it's a cyclic phenomenon  and therefore none of the words of the ancient texts are legit. lol

What ever you like to interpret...   

if i had a dollar, hmm, no, not a dollar. ... if i had a gold coin for everytime i was told that nothing in history is accurate, except the pieces people want to believe, i'd be swimming in gold coins (doesn't sound so good. make that, if i had a great book for every time i was told that i was quoting religion when i used passages from the bible, but they were quoting obvious wisdom when they used passages from the bible i'd have the biggest library in the world)

You sure have some stress here, don't you    

Calm down.... no ones getting at you. 

It was NOT my intention, to Stress you out like this Undo11   

I now regret writing the 1st Post, regarding "Noah's Flood" as it has stressed you out so much.   

Better if we leave it alone I think,  Don't you ?   

[undo11]

sure if you want lol

better if you just say who those guys were that told you the flood was a cyclical event regarding the earth's crust and the ocean.  see, the first thing that says is, "undo11 your research is hogwash because the texts are hogwash."  and i don't think they are.  the next thing that says is your super secret contacts are saying that everything we know about the ancient past,  is useless information so no need to believe any of it.  now i dunno about you but i find that rather suspect.  if someone came to me and said, "i will tell you the truth and the truth is none of that other stuff is true," i'd be asking them to prove it.  and since your contacts didn't tell me that directly but rather chose to use you as their vehicle, i'll ask you then.  i think it's important that you divulge it here because here is where you began your "revelation."

[Amaterasu]

I'm gonna jump in here and mention that TMT brought up His contacts in His forum, and suggests that anyOne wanting info on that visit His forum here on Pegasus. - http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1114.0

I figure We all have differing perspectives - I know John Lear believes that the "quake" in Japan was a nuclear weapon that was detonated...  [shrug]

Me?  I leave all possibilities open, until I have first hand experience.  If Peter Moon is correct, We're all correct, as We each may have experienced a different reality.  [grin]

Anyway, kiss and make up?  [grin]

[undo11]

"Then Enki raises the city of Eridu from the abyss and makes it float over the water like a lofty mountain"

that's a quote from the first assyriologist to interpret sumerian cuneiform. his name was samuel noah kramer.  in the resulting research text, he speaks regarding the arrival of enki from the abyss, which was also the abzu.

enki arrived from the abzu/abyss, in his floating, flying, roaring, glowing, submersible, temple city made entirely of gold, lapis lazuli and silver.  (meaning it was metal).  it had an interior that was a tangled thread beyond understanding.  the references are directly from the original texts. for example:

The lord of the abyss, the king Enki, Enki the Lord who decrees the fates, Built his house of silver and lapis lazuli; Its silver and lapis lazuli, like sparkling light, The father fashioned fittingly in the abyss.

that's from "Enki Builds the E-Engurra" by kramer, but the text themselves are the original source material

so where do we draw the line?  is some of that true and some not ?
or can we pitch that out too ?  cause see this enki guy, those old texts say he saved the noah figure from the flood.
now why would he do that if he didn't exist? and if he did exist, then how did he know, in 3000 BC, that water was infiltrating the earth's crust?  and if he didn't know, then why's it say he did know there was a flood coming and told the guy how to avoid certain death?

[undo11]

I'm gonna jump in here and mention that TMT brought up His contacts in His forum, and suggests that anyOne wanting info on that visit His forum here on Pegasus. - http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1114.0

I figure We all have differing perspectives - I know John Lear believes that the "quake" in Japan was a nuclear weapon that was detonated...  [shrug]

Me?  I leave all possibilities open, until I have first hand experience.  If Peter Moon is correct, We're all correct, as We each may have experienced a different reality.  [grin]

Anyway, kiss and make up?  [grin]

i'm not mad.  i'm just honest.   the way i look at it, if you're honest with people they'll get the hang of it, and be honest right back and that's what you want. people who will respect you enough to tell you the truth.

[The Matrix Traveller]

Undo11.

You wrote Quote;

"undo11 your research is hogwash because the texts are hogwash."

Don't be silly... I had Respect for you work.

Why are you trying to make me review that

Come on Settle down.

i think it's important that you divulge it here because here is where you began your "revelation."

NOT TRUE. I have written about this many years before you read this.

i'm not mad.  i'm just honest.   the way i look at it, if you're honest with people they'll get the hang of it, and be honest right back and that's what you want. people who will respect you enough to tell you the truth.

We know you are NOT Mad...

But don't accuse me of anything as I have nothing at all against you...

In Fact I had Respect for Your Work.

And this is the TRUTH...

So here is a       and a hug, and I regret upsetting you. It was NOT my intention.

[undo11]

i'm not upset either. lol  so you can't apologize for what you didn't do wrong.   i was just explaining why i said what i said. i didn't say it because i was mad or upset or even stressed out.  i said it cause it's what i thought you meant. i mean,   i do believe you asked me just a page ago, why i believed the words of men or something. lol  you should probably revisit what you've said over the last few pages

it's no biggie matrix.  just realize i'm not over here growling, i'm just like....what?  lol honest, go read what you've been saying and pretend like you're reading someone else's writing there.  if the thread is about noah's flood and we're talking about it from the position of the sumerian-akkadian texts, as well as the bible, and you come in and say it wasn't any of that but rather a normal, natural cyclical event, and that the ancient guys just made up alot of the associated stories, i have to ask where you get that info, cause i have a source for mine. 

you say my source is not relevant. i say it is. tomaytoe, tomaatoe.

[undo11]

seems to be too easy these days to get people to read what you say by prefacing it with "old texts are bullshit" (paraphrasing. hehe).  i think that's lazy scholarship.  not that i'm a scholar, mind you, i'm just a wannabe.  but i do not believe anyone could make serious  pronouncements like that over the entirety of written history, without something to back it up.  even ET would have some hefty explaining to do if he/she/it came to me with such a statement.

[undo11]

matrix,

you asked me who i thought jesus was. 

well that's asking a huge question but i'll try to condense it down to:

1. enki, also known as ea
2. later, the son of cleopatra, known by his roman name, caesarian.
3. the second adam (et.al, the second atum)
4. god the creator of the human body, in a human body, or in sumerian-akkadian terminology, he was the second most important of the anunnaki, one of two sons of anu.

he has a few more in there but it would take pages for me to explain it. and to list them all off.

here he is

[The Matrix Traveller]

and you come in and say it wasn't any of that but rather a normal, natural cyclical event, and that the ancient guys just made up alot of the associated stories,

If you are going to be Truthful, please tell the TRUTH.

It sounds Like you are bias to any other persons suggestions other than your own

As for me, I can ONLY report what I have seen & Heard.

As I said, I once respected your views but now I am finding that increasingly difficult,
which is rather sad.

I offered you an "Olive Branch", ubdo11, but you trampled it under foot.

It doesn't really matter as I an Nothing.

i have to ask where you get that info, cause i have a source for mine.

I extended an Invite to you, but in return I received Slander from you.

I am a truthful person, and if you are going to accuse me of anything, then please at least tell the TRUTH.

You wrote Quote;

you say my source is not relevant.

Now this is plain Plainly UNTRUE undo11.

I have never said anything like this to you.

I took it you were Truthful, but sadly you are now Forcing me, reluctantly to reconsider this.