really scary

[thorfourwinds]

Space Otter:
Ratz!
I split the topic [at your suggestion] and somehow misplaced your post request. 

[The Seeker]

Space Otter:
Ratz!
I split the topic [at your suggestion] and somehow misplaced your post request. 

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=11331.msg148335#msg148335

[zorgon]

first off.. what makes you think I am a democrat..and what difference does it make if I am?
have you never heard of an independent?

Yeah heard of those, not seen any enough around to be useful

that's a pretty freaking HUGE assumption, don't ya think ! ?
oh btw that last question was rhetorical

Would have taken less time to just answer the questions Yay or Nay an I would know where you stand

there are and have been tons of things wrong so my question back to you is
what are YOU doing to change things beside yelling at someone on a forum

Pointing out and posting as many of the issues as possible. I have changed several minds sind the Hillary Failure but having good info for those on the fence. Most people don't care about facts   they just go by which face is prettier, damn the torpedoes, Doesn't matter how much harm they do.  My friend in Ireland cut me off for supporting The Donald.  A while back she wrote me and said while I still disagree with you, I can't stand these new tactics.  She joined The Walk Away movement.  I don't have to get them to like Trump   Just Walk Away from the DemonRats and go ANYWHERE ELSE

have you even written or called your state reps with your thoughts?

Well I contacted Harry Reid (with Robert Redwood) and offered ourRemaisance group to help save the Artic Refuge..  got all the letters framed

Last time I contacted Harry was over him stealing Johns gold mine and attempting to take Bundy's mine. That one I was packin a colt 45 on the front lines (but mow my legs are bad and am heading for hospital tomorrow before they explode) so cowboy days are over

We Knighted then Governor of Nevada Kenny Guin and Sid Rogich for their help with mentally challenged kids here in las Vegas... that was fun

But re current politics? Nope no point writing to anyone as they all have their own corrupt agenda..  nd what to say? "Hey Harry!! Step down before you destroy the country? " (Marilee Lear did that  was planning to run for his seat.)  But now he did step down and they gave him $22 Million to be "Mr UFO Guy"

So what's the point? the current senators are all corrupt

you can vote can't you?

Sure but I don't bother  my vote is useless  AOC and Omar having a seat in congress is proof of that. I am much more effective copy and reposting real info.

[zorgon]

[space otter]

Would have taken less time to just answer the questions Yay or Nay an I would know where you stand

why does it matter where I stand?....besides my absolutely total loathing of the human  who is titled pres right now.. why do you care if i agree with Your rhetoric or not

Pointing out and posting as many of the issues as possible. I have changed several minds

yes.. well
that doesn't carry much weight  with me because  i have caught you cherry pickin too many articles to think that you want any more than folks to agree with YOUR point of view
so i don't feel the need to say yay or nay

i do - do my own research so i also make up my own mind without being swayed with name calling and yelling

my only comment on those women you are so ticked off about is that
imo they are a DIRECT response  to the liar-n-chief
if he didn't affect folks the way he does they would have never run for and gotten elected.....think on that for a second

i have no doubt you have been a decent human B T  (before t)..i think most of us are decent humans but the way we are approaching each other now is not the way it needs to be..
problems don't get solved by calling names and yelling

now just think on this for a sec
why are most of the tresspassers into the country taken to FOR PROFIT detention facilities...Gen Kelly has just gotten to run one
who is making the cash off of them.. and who set them up?
i know i've researched it
here's a small selection..but i won't cherry pick the info.. read the whole thing and if you don't smell a rat..get your nose checked
and isn't it interesting that untill this current pres the flow into was so much less...wonder who is inciting these folks to head north

i hope  your hospital visit is helpful i will send healing vibes your way because i do care

for your readin pleasure: a small sampling of info on for profit detention

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/immigration-detention-in-the-united-states-a-primer/

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/profiting-enforcement-role-private-prisons-us-immigration-detention

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dollar800-million-in-taxpayer-money-went-to-private-prisons-where-migrants-work-for-pennies

https://www.immigrantjustice.org/staff/blog/dhss-secret-detention-expansion-dangerous-immigrants-and-democracy

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article228842904.html

follow the money

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-children/first-stop-for-migrant-kids-for-profit-detention-center-idUSKCN1Q3261

it's a long article but the money trail starts here

the facility is run by Comprehensive Health Services, Inc., a private, for-profit company with a growing line of business in housing immigrant children. In a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission last year, the firm's parent company, Caliburn International Corp., noted President Donald Trump's immigration policies were driving "significant growth."

https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/CLBR:US



see why are you shouting?
i'm trying to have a civil discourse with you
  and  there is always MORE TO THE STORY

[zorgon]

besides my absolutely total loathing of the human 

THAT for one I just cannot fathom this "absolutely total loathing" and I have yet to find anyone that can explain WHY they have this "absolutely total loathing"

yes.. well
that doesn't carry much weight  with me because  i have caught you cherry pickin too many articles to think that you want any more than folks to agree with YOUR point of view
so i don't feel the need to say yay or nay

"Life is a bowl of Cherries but some people only get the pits!"  I prefer the Cherries   Seems to me only logical to pick articles that support your point.  Do do any different just confuses people If you were an unbiased journalist you would report both side. If your trying to get YOUR point across of course you will Cherry pick the things that support you. Looka hashtags people like uing those but what good are they? The tag just goes to random articles that have no bearing on the point at hand  All those hashtags are WHY the world is so confused.

Naturally It is in your best interest to FACT CHECK your posts, but then Political Satire has ALWAYS been allowed to 'attack the opponent' (cartoons, memes), even in Soviet Russia, because they understood the peole needed a venting space

i do - do my own research so i also make up my own mind without being swayed with name calling and yelling

yes you do but you use Huffington Post a LOT  a  VERY BIASED Trump hating website

my only comment on those women you are so ticked off about is that imo they are a DIRECT response  to the liar-n-chief if he didn't affect folks the way he does they would have never run for and gotten elected.....think on that for a second

"liar-n-chief" sounds like name calling Respect he office even if you hate the guy



I disagree because they were hired to play the part by the JUSTICE DEMOCRATs  They have their own agenda and get seats that are not contended. Thank Zack Exley for that (former campaign worker for Bernie)

https://www.justicedemocrats.com/home/

Even Pelosi said:

Pelosi appears to take new jab at Ocasio-Cortez, says 'a glass of water' with a 'D' could win their districts" AOC's seat could have been won by a glass of water
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-a-glass-of-water-with-d-next-to-it-would-win-ocasio-cortezs-district

i have no doubt you have been a decent human B T  (before t)..i think most of us are decent humans but the way we are approaching each other now is not the way it needs to be..
problems don't get solved by calling names and yelling

I don't call you names and the "yelling" is no different than THORS' Lavish Neon Sign posts

now just think on this for a sec why are most of the tresspassers into the country taken to FOR PROFIT detention facilities...Gen Kelly has just gotten to run one who is making the cash off of them.. and who set them up? i know i've researched it here's a small selection..but i won't cherry pick the info.. read the whole thing and if you don't smell a rat..get your nose checked

So your saying that these private prisons are flooding the country with disease ridden criminal migrant so the can make money?  Hmmm interesting     i gues the American victims along the way are merely 'collateral damage"?

and isn't it interesting that until this current pres the flow into was so much less...wonder who is inciting these folks to head north

I HOPE your not suggesting you good friend Donald is doing that?

i hope  your hospital visit is helpful i will send healing vibes your way because i do care

So do I the last one just made it  worse.  i will do a thread on it.. taking lap top this time

[space otter]

ah i get it.. well i guess we are back to agreeing to disagree but hey.. got lots of views..i guess that's the most important thing

well after a week of rain, a couple days at 3 inches the wind is blowing lightly and i am headed outside to start clean up..the place looks like a swamp....by the time it gets dry enough to mow the tractor won't be able to get thur it...what fun
later dude

mother earth is giving us all a taste of what is to come.. adjust or not

[ArMaP]

THAT for one I just cannot fathom this "absolutely total loathing" and I have yet to find anyone that can explain WHY they have this "absolutely total loathing"

I do not "absolutely total loath" him, but I don't like him, mostly because of the way he acts, like a mix between a bully and a snake oil salesman, two kinds of people I do not like.

[spacemaverick]

Quit bashing my president.  I don't talk about any other presidents.  I don't like foreigners bashing someone they really don't know about.

[ArMaP]

Quit bashing my president.  I don't talk about any other presidents.

Just curious, how many foreign presidents do you know

I don't like foreigners bashing someone they really don't know about.

Though luck. 

We all have opinions about people we don't know, haven't we? I'm sure you have an opinion about me, and you know nothing about me, so why can't I have one?

[Shasta56]

It's like the illegals coming across our border illegally.  They are not screened and suddenly we have outbreaks of measles and other things.  Then the powers that be blame it on children not being vaccinated.  Some diseases up until unchecked migration suddenly surged then we had a problem.  We didn't have that before.

One of the largest measles outbreaks in Ney York, is in conservative Jewish enclaves with low vaccination rates.  Did people cross the border from Mexico and infiltrate conservative Jewish enclaves?

Going away now.  I don't care for the rampant xenophobia displayed here these days.

[spacemaverick]

Just curious, how many foreign presidents do you know
Though luck. 

We all have opinions about people we don't know, haven't we? I'm sure you have an opinion about me, and you know nothing about me, so why can't I have one?

Just tired of all the Trump bashing.  Not productive.  We all have opinions and you are entitled to yours.  Bashing other people instead of their policies is not accomplishing anything.  However, discussing those policies in a meaningful way with intelligent thinking is the way to go.  Those outside my country do not live here and only have a bias media from which they develop their opinions.  I live here and have for 66 years and I consider my country one of the last bastions of true freedom (my opinion of course).  I really have no opinion of you because I really don't know you.

[WhatTheHey]

Just tired of all the Trump bashing.  Not productive.  We all have opinions and you are entitled to yours.  Bashing other people instead of their policies is not accomplishing anything.  However, discussing those policies in a meaningful way with intelligent thinking is the way to go.  Those outside my country do not live here and only have a bias media from which they develop their opinions.  I live here and have for 66 years and I consider my country one of the last bastions of true freedom (my opinion of course).  I really have no opinion of you because I really don't know you.

  Beautiful!.........Gold at ya!   

[space otter]

no caps or large letters to make my point

sadly i have to agree with Shasta but also go a step further

this place isn't  for research anymore and should be renamed

the all white men trump-lovers bar

but that's probably too gay for here also

i truly believe that he (as the lead puppet) and his party have set a course to change this county to a dictatorship run by rich white men and we had better monitor and stop it before it's too late

it's an old trick where the folk are so taken or pissed off at one person we don't notice - till too late - exactly what is happening...
check some not so distance history of take overs





sigh


you boys have fun

i'll leave ya with this  by a respected author
who yes writes for huff post..OH MY

POLITICS 06/01/2019 07:06 am ET Updated 2 hours ago

Ex-Ethics Chief Tweets Very Long List Of Bad Signs From Donald Trump's Presidency
Walter Shaub urged Americans not to "underestimate the threat to our republic from within" with his lengthy Twitter thread.
By Lee Moran

The former head of the U.S. Office of Government Ethics urged the American public on Friday to pay careful attention to everything that's going on with President Donald Trump's administration.

"Heed the signs and don't underestimate the threat to our republic from within," tweeted Walter Shaub, who served in the high-ranking role under former President Barack Obama and then for six months under Trump until his resignation in July 2017.

In a 14-tweet thread, Shaub detailed the "signs" that should be noticed from Trump's time in the White House ― from the president's 10,000-plus lies since his inauguration to his controversial declaration of a national emergency in a bid to secure funds for his proposed wall on the U.S.-Mexico border.

Shaub has previously warned that the White House is currently suffering an "ethics crisis" that could make the U.S. look like "a kleptocracy."

Check out Shaub's full thread here:

Walter Shaub
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@waltshaub
Heed the signs and don't underestimate the threat to our republic from within:

-Trump obstructed justice
-A McConnell-packed SCOTUS says precedent can be changed more easily than previously thought
-AG Barr is an open partisan and slow-motion Saturday Night Massacre beneficiary

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-White House ignores congressional subpoenas, document requests
-Mnuchin is violating a law on turning over taxes to House
-Barr & Senate allies want to investigate officials who investigated Trump to retaliate against them and deter future efforts to hold him to the rule of law

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-State Dept is setting up a commission to supplant human rights with "natural law"
-An Inspector General found standing room only in border detention cells, with detainees standing on toilets to breathe
-children stolen from parents at the border are dying in internment camps

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-Trump cut resources for investigating domestic terrorists
-FBI reports a recent significant rise in white supremacist domestic terrorism
-evidence found of a white supremacist plot to add census Q to help gerrymander in ways "advantageous to Republicans and non-Hispanic whites"

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-Trump is still resisting setting up defenses against foreign election interference
-Trump's personal attorney solicited foreign govt investigation of current Trump political rival Biden
-AG Barr said something in a weird interview about investigating former Trump rival Clinton

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-There's cause for concern Trump/Kushner personal interests may be influencing middle east policy
-Ignoring Congress, Trump declared fake emergency & abused authority to sell weapons to Saudi Arabia to continue its atrocities in Yemen, after it murdered a Washington Post reporter

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-Trump declared fake emergency to get more power to ramp up activity at border
-ethics violations (and ethically dubious conduct not rising to a violation) occurring at an unprecedented rate among Trump appointees
-senior admin official says she doesn't care about an ethics law

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-if impeached, Trump says he'll try to get SCOTUS to overturn the impeachment
-McConnell, who blocked Merrick Garland ostensibly because it was an election year, shamelessly hinted this week that he'd be willing to fill a SCOTUS position for Trump in an election year

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-Trump is praising autocrats, undermining allies
-Tone of OLC's recent opinions has changed under Assistant AG Steven Engel, who was tied to one of the torture memos
-Military went to the border for Trump
-Military hid a ship to placate Trump
-Airborne seen wearing MAGA patches

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-Trump admin & Graham inexplicably advocating war in Iran/Venezuela
-DOJ experimenting with new legal theory for prosecuting those who publish classified information (raising a question as to whether the theory will be limited to hostile foreign actors or expanded to journalists)

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-some public voices are normalizing Trump admin conduct
-voicemail from Trump lawyer to Flynn shows a disturbing carrot/stick approach (or worse)
-Trump has seemed to dangle pardons to buy silence or worse
-Trump admin officials are violating records laws to conceal actions

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-Trump said "Russia, if you're listening"
-Trump said "fine people" marched with nazis
-Trump has told over 10,000 false or misleading statements, per Washington Post
-Trump helped cover up Khashoggi murder, and Kushner's said to have offered advice to MBS on weathering the storm

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-a foreign prince is reported to have said he has Kushner in his pocket (but denies saying that)
-Helsinki
-Trump's behavior is erratic and is marked by frequent lies, bizarre public outbursts, name-calling and confusion
-no press conferences, and no transparency

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-Trump allies in congress are either lying about the Mueller report or haven't read it
-Trump allies in congress are trying to prevent Mueller & others from testifying because they know their base hasn't read the report and right wing media has kept them from hearing about it

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[ArMaP]

Just tired of all the Trump bashing.  Not productive.

I agree, that's why that was the first time (I think) that I have stated my opinion about him.

To put things in a wider perspective, I don't like any of today's US politicians. I don't like most Portuguese politicians either, so it's not a "bash the foreigners" thing.

However, discussing those policies in a meaningful way with intelligent thinking is the way to go.  Those outside my country do not live here and only have a bias media from which they develop their opinions.

I also agree, and that's why I try to keep out of political threads.

I really have no opinion of you because I really don't know you.

OK. I can tell you I don't have an opinion about you either, as I don't think I know you enough for that.