really scary

[space otter]

suggestion
really scary medical
really scary politics

Now see? THIS kind of stuff puts you in the same boat as those others.

yep OTHERS who see your emperor for what he is
juvenile  lying rich kid

yes this should probably go into the political part somewhere
i'm not sure where you split it though
hey you're emperor here..you decide
and yeah the golf is a moot point except that he makes money on it
by playing on his own properties..i don't think the last guy has any of those

but add this little piece to the lying section a
the draft dodger makes false claims on memorial day
pisses me off big time
how's that ccr song go

oh yeah my hubby goes to the VA so i know when this program started and it wasn't with your emperor

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/ap-fact-check-trump-takes-credit-for-obamas-gains-for-vets/ar-AABYiCW?li=BBnb7Kz

AP FACT CHECK: Trump takes credit for Obama's gains for vets

WASHINGTON — Boastful on the occasion of Memorial Day, President Donald Trump and his Veterans Affairs secretary are claiming full credit for health care improvements that were underway before they took office.

Trump said he passed a private-sector health care program, Veterans Choice, after failed attempts by past presidents for the last "45 years." That's not true. The Choice program, which allows veterans to see doctors outside the government-run VA system at taxpayer expense, was first passed in 2014 under President Barack Obama.

Trump's VA secretary, Robert Wilkie, also is distorting the facts. Faulting previous "bad leadership" at VA, Wilkie suggested it was his own efforts that improved waiting times at VA medical centers and brought new offerings of same-day mental health service. The problem: The study cited by Wilkie on wait times covers the period from 2014 to 2017, before Wilkie took the helm as VA secretary. Same-day mental health services at VA were started during the Obama administration under Wilkie's predecessor, David Shulkin.

The half-truths and exaggerations came in a week when selective accounting was a norm in Trump's rhetoric, extending into his trip to Japan , where he inflated the drop in the U.S. unemployment rate for women.

A look at the claims, about the Russia investigation, the border, drug prices and more:

VETERANS

TRUMP: "We passed VA Choice and VA Accountability to give our veterans the care that they deserve and they have been trying to pass these things for 45 years." — Montoursville, Pennsylvania, rally on May 20.

THE FACTS: Wrong. Trump is not the first president in 45 years to get Congress to pass Veterans Choice; Obama did it in the wake of a scandal at VA's medical center in Phoenix, where some veterans died while waiting months for appointments. The program currently allows veterans to see doctors outside the VA system if they must wait more than 30 days for an appointment or drive more than 40 miles (65 kilometers) to a VA facility.

Trump did expand eligibility for the program. Now, starting June 6,
veterans are to have that option for a private doctor if their VA wait is only 20 days (28 for specialty care) or their drive is only 30 minutes.

Still, VA's top health official, Dr. Richard Stone, described the new program's start to "almost be a non-event" in testimony to Congress. That's in part because wait times in the private sector are typically longer than at VA. In 2018, 34 percent of all VA appointments were with outside physicians, down from 36 percent in 2017.

Also key to the Choice program's success is an overhaul of VA's electronic medical records to allow seamless sharing of them with private physicians, a process expected to take up to 10 years. Wilkie has said full implementation of the expanded Choice program is "years" away.

WILKIE: "The first thing I did was change out the leadership at VA. ... (The president) also allowed me to change out leadership in the VA centers. If someone wasn't walking the post, getting to know the people who work for her or him, or getting to know those veterans, they had to leave. And, as a result, the Journal of the American Medical Association this year said that our waiting times are now as good or better than any in the private sector." — interview Thursday with Fox News.

THE FACTS: It's true that a study by the medical association came out in January that found wait times at VA medical centers on average were better than the private sector. But the improvement wasn't a "result" of anything that Wilkie did: The study involved a period largely covering the Obama administration — and before Wilkie became acting VA secretary in late March 2018.

In fact, in a VA press release in January announcing the study's results, Wilkie credits the department's "concerted" effort to improve access to care "since 2014."

In fact, in a VA press release in January announcing the study's results, Wilkie credits the department's "concerted" effort to improve access to care "since 2014."

The study covered four specialties, primary care, dermatology, cardiology and orthopedics.

It found that in 2014, the average wait time at VA medical centers was 22.5 days, compared with 18.7 days in the private sector, which was not statistically different. By 2017, the wait time at VA improved to 17.7 days, while increasing to 29.8 days for private doctors. Wait times at VA medical centers were shorter in all specialties except orthopedics.

According to the study, the number of patients seen yearly in VA increased slightly between 2014 and 2017, to about 5.1 million. VA patient satisfaction also rose, according to patient surveys cited in the study.

WILKIE: The VA "had suffered from bad leadership. And that's a bipartisan comment. And the second thing I had to do was make sure that as we approach our veteran population that we make sure that they are at the center, their needs are at the center of what we do ... I think we've had it backwards at VA for many years. ... One of the things that we're doing at VA is that we have same-day mental health service. ... It is huge." — interview with Fox News.

THE FACTS: Same-day mental health service started at VA before Trump took office in January 2017, let alone Wilkie.

VA's effort to provide same-day primary and mental-health care when medically necessary at every VA medical center was publicized in April 2016 under the Obama administration. At the time, Shulkin was helping lead the effort as VA's top health official. By late 2016, the department's blog announced that the goal of same-day mental health services would be achieved by year's end.

A Dec. 23, 2016, article in the Harvard Business Review cites new same-day services at all VA hospitals as evidence of notable progress at the department. Shulkin, who was then named by Trump to be his VA secretary, told Congress in late January 2017 the services already were fully in place.

Trump selected Wilkie to be his VA secretary after firing Shulkin in March 2018 because of ethics charges and internal rebellion at the department over the role of private care for veterans. Trump's initial replacement choice, White House doctor Ronny Jackson, withdrew after allegations of workplace misconduct surfaced. While Wilkie has been credited by both parties in Congress for bringing stability to the department, the VA improvements he attributes to himself this past week are misplaced.

ECONOMY

TRUMP, on the unemployment rate: "With women, we have the best numbers we've had in now 71 years. That's going to be, very soon, a historic number, meaning the best ever." — remarks Saturday with Japanese business leaders in Tokyo.

THE FACTS: The unemployment rate for women is not the best in 71 years.

According to the Labor Department, the women's unemployment rate fell last month to 3.1%. That's just the lowest since October 1953, or 66 years ago, when it also was 3.1%. The lowest on record was 2.4% in May 1953.

___

TRUMP: "My Administration is achieving things that have never been
done before, including unleashing perhaps the Greatest Economy in our Country's history." — tweet Wednesday.

TRUMP: "Most successful economy, perhaps, in our country's history." — remarks to reporters Wednesday.

THE FACTS: The economy is solid but it's not one of the best in our country's history, no matter how many times he asserts it. Trump is also claiming full credit for an economic expansion that began under Obama in mid-2009.

The economy expanded at an annual rate of 3.2 percent in the first quarter of this year. That growth was the highest in just four years for the first quarter.

In the late 1990s, growth topped 4 percent for four straight years, a level it has not yet reached on an annual basis under Trump. Growth even reached 7.2 percent in 1984.
While the economy has shown strength, it grew 2.9% in 2018 - the same pace it reached in 2015 — and simply hasn't hit historically high growth rates.

___

TRUMP claims "the best unemployment numbers in history." — Pennsylvania rally on May 20.

THE FACTS: The 3.6% unemployment rate in the latest report is not the best in history. It's the lowest since 1969, when it was 3.5%. The U.S. also had lower rates than now in the early 1950s. And during three years of World War II, the annual rate was under 2%.

___

TRUMP INVESTIGATIONS

TRUMP: "I don't do cover-ups." — Rose Garden remarks Wednesday to reporters.

THE FACTS: Federal prosecutors may not agree with that assertion, which he made in response to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's accusation that the president was engaged in a cover-up. Trump spoke after breaking off an infrastructure meeting when Pelosi and Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., came to the White House for it.

Prosecutors' court filings in December said Trump directed his former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, to make payments to buy the silence of porn actress Stormy Daniels and former Playboy model Karen McDougal during the 2016 presidential campaign. Both women alleged they had extramarital affairs with Trump, which the White House denies.

In particular, the Justice Department says the hush money payments were unreported campaign contributions meant to influence the outcome of the election. That assertion makes the payments subject to campaign finance laws, which restrict how much people can donate to a campaign and bar corporations from making direct contributions.

Trump has said the payments were "a simple private transaction," not a campaign contribution.

Separately, the Mueller report found that Trump dictated his son Trump Jr.'s misleading statement about a June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower to cloak its purpose.

Cohen, who pleaded guilty last year to campaign finance crimes in connection with those payments, had previously implicated Trump. The department's filings backed up Cohen's claims.

The Mueller report said Trump learned in summer of 2017 that the news media planned to report on the meeting at Trump Tower between senior campaign officials and Russians offering derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee.

Trump directed aides not to disclose the emails setting up the meeting. Before the emails became public, the president also edited a press statement for Donald Trump Jr. by deleting a line that acknowledged that the meeting was "with an individual who (Trump Jr.) was told might have information helpful to the campaign" and instead said only that the meeting was about adoptions.

That episode was among 10 identified by the Mueller investigation of possible obstruction of justice by Trump. Mueller said in his report that he could not conclusively determine that Trump had committed a crime or that he hadn't.

___

TRUMP: "The greatest Hoax in American History." — tweet Wednesday.

THE FACTS: A two-year investigation that produced guilty pleas, convictions and criminal charges against Russian intelligence officers and others with ties to the Kremlin, as well as Trump associates, is not a hoax.

Mueller charged 34 people, including the president's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, his first national security adviser, Michael Flynn, and three Russian companies. Twenty-five Russians were indicted on charges related to election interference, accused either of hacking Democratic email accounts during the campaign or of orchestrating a social media campaign that spread disinformation on the internet.

Five Trump aides pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate with Mueller, and a sixth, longtime confidant Roger Stone, is awaiting trial on charges he lied to Congress and engaged in witness tampering.

Mueller's report concluded that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was "sweeping and systematic." Ultimately, Mueller did not find a criminal conspiracy between Russia and the Trump campaign. But the special counsel didn't render judgment on whether Trump obstructed justice, saying his investigators found evidence on both sides.

___

TRUMP ON BIDEN

TRUMP, on Democratic presidential contender Joe Biden: "He's not from Pennsylvania. I guess he was born here but he left you, folks. ... He left you for another state and he didn't take care of you because he didn't take care of your jobs. He let other countries come in and rip off America." — Pennsylvania rally on May 20.

THE FACTS: It's true that Pennsylvania-born Biden left the state without taking care of jobs for the people he left behind. He was a boy, 10 or 11, when his family moved to Delaware in 1953.

___

TRADE

TRUMP on his trade dispute with China: "I'll be honest, we are getting hundreds of millions of dollars brought into our country. We've never gotten 10 cents. We are getting hundreds of billions of dollars coming into our country." — remarks to reporters Thursday.

THE FACTS: This is not true. The tariffs he's raised on imports from China are primarily if not entirely a tax on U.S. consumers and businesses.

i copied the whole thing - not cherry pickin

[zorgon]

really scary politics

So lemme ask you something:

The DemonRats want OPEN BORDERS. Whe we came to the USA I had to have a job lined up, had to prove I had no serious criminal record and had to prove I had no communicable disease BEFORE I was allowed to enter.  Even then the process took FIVE YEARS and we hit the immigration loto before being processed normally. As it happened my ex wife had a single shop lifting charge on her record  That was enough to get her blocked from entry  the year was 1993.

The consul said what I could do was enter the USA at Niagara Falls with the two kids and get them nationalised, then apply to have wife enter as she was the mother.  That did work, took additional months but we did it'

The current swarm of illegals BURN thier papers and carry all sorts of criminal records and diseases that will bury this nation.

My question: ARE YOU REALLY OKAY WITH THIS?

The DemonRats have ALL voted to allow ILLEGAL MIGRANTS to VOTE  No ID required, because they know they will vote Democrat...

My question: ARE YOU REALLY OKAY WITH THIS?


The House has just forced several banks to hand over Trump's personal business financial records.  Maxine Walters SPECIFICALLY is interested in finding ANY details of him trading with RUSSIA... Seriously

Well's Fargo and TD Bank have already complied.. Now I have to ask myself if tey really care about their customers PRIVACY and SECURITY

My question: ARE YOU REALLY OKAY WITH THIS?

AOC comes up with this "Green New Deal" saying they will get rid of cars airplanes and cows because the planet will die in 12 YEARS. Just about everything she says is just plain stupid, yet she sits on Congress privy to all our secret data. She throughs drunken fits and films then on her cell for all to see...

My question: ARE YOU REALLY OKAY WITH THIS?

Omar uses every chance she gets from her seat in congress to make fun of the USA, show her hate for Israel, and makes PRO ISLAM remarks when ever she can. Wanted "my emperor" to release a dangerous member of the Muslim brotherhood. She is a TRAITOR by any discription of the word, yet sits on Congress privy to all our secret data.

My question: ARE YOU REALLY OKAY WITH THIS?

If you answer yes to all of the above... we no longer have a talking point

[space otter]

you are correct we do not have a 'talking point'
we didn't have one before either
..but not for any of the reasons you listed

we aren't going to change each other's minds

there are many other things worth the space here

[zorgon]

we aren't going to change each other's minds

I wasn't trying to change your mind, I was genuinely interested in your thoughts on those specific questions

But for some very odd reason if you question any Liberal on these specific items, they refuse to answer, and that is very sad...  I thought YOU at least were a cut above it and could at least give me a logical reason why those policies are okay. I was wrong.......... pity that

there are many other things worth the space here

Do not concern yourself with space Our server has UNLIMITED and UNLIMITED traffic. But some of us actually want this country to survive  and not end up in Civil War V 2.0

[ArMaP]

Whe we came to the USA I had to have a job lined up, had to prove I had no serious criminal record and had to prove I had no communicable disease BEFORE I was allowed to enter.  Even then the process took FIVE YEARS and we hit the immigration loto before being processed normally. As it happened my ex wife had a single shop lifting charge on her record  That was enough to get her blocked from entry  the year was 1993.

When did things change?

[space otter]

I thought YOU at least were a cut above it and could at least give me a logical reason why those policies are okay. I was wrong.......... pity that

bwhahahahaha
well you've been wrong before and lived so no real worries

poke all you want

I thought YOU at least were a cut above

i will not argue religion or politics with you
on a forum..
you wanna get a beer and go for it.. i'll meet ya


when it comes to either subject it goes more to our background and beliefs than to actual  dogma  in either

i have been searching for why we are at such a hate space by looking back at previous administrations.. there have been serious accusations from both sides to the other in power at the time
and  some have yelled but i do not recall such  bitterness toward a dissenting opinion
maybe i wasn't paying attention then and just living my  day-to-day life.
i dunno know

one thing we can agree on is that the sides are getting further apart and we may very well be looking at a different kind of civil war
i do not want to be here for that

i truly believe that we A L L love this country

[thorfourwinds]

Names and Locations of the Top 100 People Killing the Planet

"The earth is not dying, it is being killed, and those who are killing it have names and addresses." – Utah Phillips

[zorgon]

When did things change?

I haven't checked but I don't think they have for regular immigrants

But illegals and migrants can bypass all this

[The Seeker]

I haven't checked but I don't think they have for regular immigrants

But illegals and migrants can bypass all this

The key word for a lot of them is "refugees" from war torn countries; as for the illegals entering from the south they are supposed to be immediately deported...

supposed to be, but a large number don't get caught...

[zorgon]

i will not argue religion or politics with you
on a forum..

Wasn't gonna argue

I genuinely wanted an answer to those specific key points because I and many  others are scratching our heads trying to figure out how anyone is okay with those specific policies. It makes no sense that people who say they love the country would be supporting policies hell bent on destroying it. 

i truly believe that we A L L love this country

I don't   I see idiots at the top of the chain making policies dangerous to our very existence..
Let 10's of thousands in illegally and give them free education and medical AND the right to get a drivers licence and VOTE?

How can this not destroy what we have?  Look the migrant camps in california  THOUSANDS of tents everywhere in prime areas  and 40,000 Guatemalan migrant on the way
But yeah we don't want to argue...

  It's just frustrating as hell that NOT ONE DEMOCRAT will answer the question and explain WHY they support it..

.... they would rather get triggered, foam at the mouth and scream some Trump insult

[Titan]

  It's just frustrating as hell that NOT ONE DEMOCRAT will answer the question and explain WHY they support it..

.... they would rather get triggered, foam at the mouth and scream some Trump insult

I have never seen so many people brainwashed and turned into zombies so quickly.

All they know is it's "racist" to not want open immigration but of course they can't explain it because they don't even understand it.  Under the tiniest bit of logical analysis there is no rationale for bringing race into it at all.  Mexico is a country not a race, and a country comprised of people of all sorts of genetics, and as well that people from all over the country are using the open border to let themselves in.  Race has nothing to do with it.  We are seeing an invasion force globally from third world countries into western countries full of people who will destroy it culturally and economically.  People who don't even like the culture they are invading.  They just see people not living in the same hell as them and they want it for themselves.  Can't blame them there but that doesn't mean we should let them in.  I mean, sorry you're living under a bridge and passing your time with meth but no you can't just enter my house with your grocery cart full of bicycle tires and begin living here and eating my food.  That government is complicit in Europe and now America shows there is a larger plan at play.  It would be interesting to see what people or organizations are encouraging these mass exoduses of "migrants".

[ArMaP]

That government is complicit in Europe and now America shows there is a larger plan at play.  It would be interesting to see what people or organizations are encouraging these mass exoduses of "migrants".

Refugees entering Europe have dropped to much more manageable numbers, they have gone from 1,032,408 in 2015 down to 141,472 in 2018 and, this year, up to May 28, only 26,537.

Now "they" probably want to see what happens if they try the same in the US.

[space otter]

maybe I can clear something up for you

first off.. what makes you think I am a democrat..and what difference does it make if I am?
have you never heard of an independent?

second.. with the way those questions were shouted at me, personally .. like I was in charge of anyone differing from your point of view and the name calling besides – why would I want to continue ?


third you have made the assumption that I am in disagreement with you because of my vocal loathing of one individual
that's a pretty freaking HUGE assumption, don't ya think ! ?
oh btw that last question was rhetorical

there are and have been tons of things wrong so my question back to you is
what are YOU doing to change things beside yelling at someone on a forum

have you even written or called your state reps with your thoughts?
here's how ya can find them if, by chance, you would like to be vocal where it matters.

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I always sign my mail with A VOTER instead of yours truly and then my name...and I can tell you that
the local and state guys know who I am

you can vote can't you?

[thorfourwinds]

Yikes!
People, we are all together for a reason: Unconditional Love
- living in integrity without envy, hate or greed, of course !



You Are the Battlefield



great respect
thorfourwinds/rabunopsec
Peace Love Light
Hec'el oinipikte (That we may live)
Mni Wiconi, (Water Is Life)
Pidamiyapi (Thank You in Lakota)

[space otter]

  Thor
what is Unconditional Love

imo
it is acceptance of others as they are without the need or desire to change them

but it doesn't mean that you give up who you are

i try to make any post i type  be as neutral as possible and still communicate my opinion

bwhahahahaha
i have lost count as to how many times this thread has gone sideways

it's all good