A question for all...

[ArMaP]

You may be right, it could be something else but when you listen to Commander Fravor and other people involved in this, the options of what that could be starts to get less "humankind made" and more "alien" in the sense  that similar uap have been around for a while, to me means that even if the tic tac was human made, it just means it was already reverse engineered from non human origin.

How can we know that he is not following orders and saying what they told him to say?

That's why I prefer tangible data.

[The Seeker]

I gave this video it's own discussion thread but it does belong here also...

[spacemaverick]

I gave this video it's own discussion thread but it does belong here also...

I talked with an engineer (elctro-mechanical) about things of this sort who worked for a large corporation involved in things like this, and he said, "what you see present dau, take that  50 to 75 years into the future for the black projects.  He did not specifically elaborate.  I believe that some of these things are of our own making.  Looking back at some of the grainy pictures of objects, I saw some F-117's and even a B-2 flying wing.  Remote control of aircraft was being experimented with back in the 80's.  (From the same engineer).  Having been in air defense for a number of years, I use to teach aircraft recognition to air defense soldiers.  Of course, I do have an open mind just like Trump and will not disregard any hard evidence.

[ArMaP]

Remote control of aircraft was being experimented with back in the 80's.

Remote control of aircraft was being experimented before WWII.

[spacemaverick]

Remote control of aircraft was being experimented before WWII.

You are correct, my bad.

[The Seeker]

I talked with an engineer (elctro-mechanical) about things of this sort who worked for a large corporation involved in things like this, and he said, "what you see present dau, take that  50 to 75 years into the future for the black projects.  He did not specifically elaborate.  I believe that some of these things are of our own making.  Looking back at some of the grainy pictures of objects, I saw some F-117's and even a B-2 flying wing.  Remote control of aircraft was being experimented with back in the 80's.  (From the same engineer).  Having been in air defense for a number of years, I use to teach aircraft recognition to air defense soldiers.  Of course, I do have an open mind just like Trump and will not disregard any hard evidence.

At Cripple River, Alaska(12 miles north of Nome), in 2005, I had an interesting conversation with a gentleman I met at the camp, stemming from watching the B-52's flying over from Elmendorf; he was a Colonel retiring from the Air Force after 30+ years active service...

He stated that anything being shown in the public eye being developed for the military was already obsolete, that the tech gap then was 40+ years between what we were shown vs what they actually had in service; The F-117 had been in mothballs for ten years before being used by GHW Bush, so that was 1980 technology...

Keep digging ,Mav 

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[The Seeker]

As 2019 is drawing to a close, we are again being besieged by new programs on ufology, new episodes of the unexplained files, The white house ufo files, all re-hashing events from the past...

I am no different than most, for I have had sightings of strange craft that lead me down this path, one in particular 41 years ago this month, up close and personal (along with 2 others with me at the time) that has driven me to seek answers to this phenomena...

Are there strange craft and objects in our skies, being seen and reported on a regular basis? My answer is yes; are they craft from other than terrestrial origins? That remains to be seen, but I have my doubts that many of these craft are hidden black project creations... It would be very difficult to keep a craft as large as the one I witnessed hidden away from the public for all these years



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[micjer]

It is such a frustrating thing to prove.  I have seen things also, but no tangible proof. I just know what i saw.
Even if one has video footage, the skeptics are so quick to shout FAKE, that it throws cold water on it.

Paid trolls like James Oberg have spent a lifetime debunking.

https://www.sciencealert.com/ufo-nasa-iss-sighting-debunked-fireballs-video-james-oberg-not-aliens


Can he debunk the paintings done hundreds of years ago showing ufo's in them.

Not sure why he is so closed minded to even the possibility of it more than "space dandruff".  (his words)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7tlUS6bx04&feature=emb_logo

[The Seeker]

It is such a frustrating thing to prove.  I have seen things also, but no tangible proof. I just know what i saw.
Even if one has video footage, the skeptics are so quick to shout FAKE, that it throws cold water on it.

Yeah, it's frustrating, Mic, but I tend to lump most of the hard core debunkers in with the flat-earthers there are very few real skeptics out there, most are paid shills or just plain stupid

Paid trolls like James Oberg have spent a lifetime debunking.

Oberg is doing what he is paid to do; he is still a member here, send him a pm and see if he will return so you can question him direct 

https://www.sciencealert.com/ufo-nasa-iss-sighting-debunked-fireballs-video-james-oberg-not-aliens


Can he debunk the paintings done hundreds of years ago showing ufo's in them.

Not sure why he is so closed minded to even the possibility of it more than "space dandruff".  (his words)

He is no different than a loud mouthed debunker called IgnoreTheFacts that ran rampant on Aspookz years ago; but ITF admitted in private that he was indeed being an encouraged troll and knew a lot more than he would ever admit 

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31445/recently-retired-usaf-general-makes-eyebrow-raising-claims-about-advanced-space-technology

Read this article and pay attention to what was done to this 3-star general for speaking out;

"Lt. Gen. Kwast most recently served as Commander of the Air Education and Training Command (AETC) at Joint Base San Antonio (JBSA), but retired in August. According to some reports, Kwast was prematurely relieved of his duties at JBSA and blacklisted for promotion after speaking out on space-related issues despite a service-wide gag order. Kwast declined to comment on the reports and retired on September 1, 2019."

Oberg is just covering his own ass



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[ArMaP]

It is such a frustrating thing to prove.  I have seen things also, but no tangible proof. I just know what i saw.
Even if one has video footage, the skeptics are so quick to shout FAKE, that it throws cold water on it.

Sceptics only want evidences, those that are quick to shout fake are deniers.

Paid trolls like James Oberg have spent a lifetime debunking.

Or they just have a different opinion.

Can he debunk the paintings done hundreds of years ago showing ufo's in them.

No need for that, almost all of the paintings that show "UFOs" represent other things that the UFO believers want to be UFOs.

Not sure why he is so closed minded to even the possibility of it more than "space dandruff".  (his words)

If you know something on a video is a specific thing would you be open minded enough to accept that it could be a completely different thing?

A believer may be as close minded as a denier, one wants things to be like he wants and the other acts exactly in the same way, they just want opposite things.

[micjer]

Good point.  Like an atheist having a debate with a Priest.

[The Seeker]

Good point.  Like an atheist having a debate with a Priest.

Things can get complicated quickly when dealing with people in general; I just want answers to my questions about what I have seen.

[ArMaP]

Things can get complicated quickly when dealing with people in general; I just want answers to my questions about what I have seen.

And that's where the problem starts, unless what you have seen knows you saw it, only you know what you have seen.

[The Seeker]

And that's where the problem starts, unless what you have seen knows you saw it, only you know what you have seen.

Perhaps; The event that sent me past the point of no return was witnessed by myself and two others with me at the time; considering it was a black triangular craft hundreds of feet in length that passed directly over our heads, I cannot say if any on board knew we saw them or saw us looking at them, but we definitely saw it...

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[The Seeker]

Now we are approaching the end of January,2020, and the UFO media blitz continues with more new shows and debates over non-verifiable documents such as the SOM-101, purportedly to be the "official" military manual for dealing with crashed craft recovery and alien biological entities

even going into great detail about events such as the Kingman Arizona incident( where a recovered craft was purportedly transported by barge across the Colorado River upstream from Hoover dam, broke loose, and collided with the dam structure, all at night) to the Aurora event in 1897 and how the SOM-101 protocols were used to scrub and cover the event's history in the 70's...

Someone pass the popcorn...



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