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Started by spacemaverick, January 30, 2020, 04:15:48 PM

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Sgt.Rocknroll

https://www.news4jax.com/news/national/2020/05/30/complaint-autopsy-reveals-nothing-to-support-strangulation-as-cause-of-george-floyds-death/

Complaint: Autopsy reveals nothing to support strangulation as cause of George Floyd's death

"an autopsy revealed nothing to support strangulation as the cause of death. The exam concluded that the combined effects of being restrained, potential intoxicants in Floyd's system and his underlying health issues, including heart disease, likely contributed to his death."

Now both sides will hire 'experts' to counter each other....

Did it look terrible, yes....did these actions cause his death? Probably not....

Can you imagine what will happen if they get intelligent jurors to decided this case and they find the officer 'not guilty'?...
Same thing as Rodney King and Michael Brown....

OH and BTW....hold your breathe and then try to talk....you can't do it....it's impossible...so if you're talking, you can breathe....J/S  ::)

So what happened to 'social distancing' ? Man the CoronaVirus bees spradin' everywhere....But Antifa thugs all have masks anyway...so we bees good.... ;)
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kevin

https://www.worldwideentertainmenttv.com/new-alternate-footage-shows-3-officers-holding-down-george-floyd/

There were three holding Him down, and in the video on that link You can see the fourth one get something out of the vehicle and hand it to one holding Him down?
Do they carry injections to calm people?

Kevin

Sgt.Rocknroll

Quote from: kevin on June 01, 2020, 02:36:36 PM
https://www.worldwideentertainmenttv.com/new-alternate-footage-shows-3-officers-holding-down-george-floyd/

There were three holding Him down, and in the video on that link You can see the fourth one get something out of the vehicle and hand it to one holding Him down?
Do they carry injections to calm people?

Kevin

I've seen this video before...what the one officer retrieves look to be keys....probably for cuffs or leg restrains...it's not clear....

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ArMaP

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 01, 2020, 11:48:50 AM
"an autopsy revealed nothing to support strangulation as the cause of death. The exam concluded that the combined effects of being restrained, potential intoxicants in Floyd's system and his underlying health issues, including heart disease, likely contributed to his death."
I saw that a couple of days ago, and I didn't like it, because of that "potential intoxicants in Floyd's system". If they didn't find them they shouldn't mention them.

QuoteDid it look terrible, yes....did these actions cause his death? Probably not....
I think it's likely that they did, being not able to breath for several minutes damages the body.

QuoteOH and BTW....hold your breathe and then try to talk....you can't do it....it's impossible...so if you're talking, you can breathe....J/S  ::)
You can, what makes it difficult to speak is breathing too fast.

Sgt.Rocknroll

Well I don't know of anyone lying on his stomach holding his breathe and speaking, let alone naturely.
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astr0144

#635
Seeing further what has been said and what has happened ... its quite hard to believe the outcome.

If the Police did not need to hold George Floyde down as long as they appear to have done so...

and I think you could imagine his breathing at least restricted..even if he was able to talk... or his blood flow to his brain/head  could had been reduced if the Cop was pressing on one of his neck arteries that takes blood upto the brain..

Then how George died... its seems that it could have been avoided.. and they did not act correctly as Spacemaverick has explained.
I found it concerning on How Trump responded... quickly referring to riots theft met with Military with guns..
There may be some groups involved but it seems no doubt many other members of the public have since joined in at various locations around the USA on a huge scale..

As has been said, similar to this have occurred before... and it could also be part of a polictical opportunity ploy...
Its hard to belive how such a thing can occurr and what can follow in such a short time...and the destruction involved..

People die everyday in bad situations...and maybe even by authorities..(Police / Military etc) but this incident certainly has led to severe explosive effects..

One may wonder if say that some groups or opposing party wanted to do some sort of set up..

Although very unlikely due to seeing the people involved after such as george Floydes family / brother etc

That if who ever  were to have some how set this such a type of incident up to make it look for real...
similar to a false flag... if they would have used someone who say had few connections or family to come forward..

if they were able to use some planted Cop.. they make this look for real... but the persons involved may have just acted it out... then if they used fake ambulance etc...and others involved in the background  they could make things up...
if they were planning on using this to further upset things and make huges distractions from all the other things going on..

I mean  with Covid virus deaths you never get to see what happens to the people who die.. so do we really know what has happened in this case..

Paul J Watson Alex Jones side kick.... has some articles of some other theories... one being that Russias funding the riots..

https://summit.news/2020/06/02/obama-national-security-advisor-claims-russia-is-funding-rioting-in-us/

https://summit.news/


quote from Sgt RR
Quotehttps://www.news4jax.com/news/national/2020/05/30/complaint-autopsy-reveals-nothing-to-support-strangulation-as-cause-of-george-floyds-death/

Complaint: Autopsy reveals nothing to support strangulation as cause of George Floyd's death

"an autopsy revealed nothing to support strangulation as the cause of death. The exam concluded that the combined effects of being restrained, potential intoxicants in Floyd's system and his underlying health issues, including heart disease, likely contributed to his death."

Now both sides will hire 'experts' to counter each other....

Did it look terrible, yes....did these actions cause his death? Probably not...

Quote from: spacemaverick on May 31, 2020, 03:37:23 AM
Okay, here is what I was trying to say.  When we have had riots in various cities in the past, there was found to be an organization behind it.  I am saying the same thing here.  I have no positive proof.  This is just my opinion.  However, when a St. Paul Mayor says people arrested are from out of town, I say there is something to it.  There are other mayors now saying the same thing.  When we had the Trump inauguration, we encountered the same thing and there was proof that ANTIFA was involved.  Not saying that here though.  I am guessing that the Democratic Socialists of America may be involved.  I hear of snippets of information regarding the DSA in this case. (Just my opinion)

Sgt.Rocknroll

#636
I really don't care if people protest and march, but when the radical left unleashes their hords of losers and destroy and burn, it's a bit much to stand by and watch this crap.
A good portion of people couldn't give two hoots and a hollar about Floyd. They got an axe to grind.
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astr0144

#637
Its most unfortunate what has occurred since and no doubt hard to accept..

similar things have happened before..

Today In the UK (and I assume USA and elsewhere)..

They are making quite a concern in the media of the incident being a Black race issue thing..
coming up with Black Lives Matter.

They appear to be trying to educate the UK viewers on a Main morning TV program about trying to come to terms with racism... based on this recent event...

But they have been trying to do that know for some years already since the huge influx that we now have in the UK other other nationalities..

and who is to say that a similar incident could not have occurred to a white person..

Was the Cop doing what he did as a racist thing.... maybe..and you would assume these days you have to be fully aware that almost everyone can now record incidents..so if he was... he was either very careless, if it was not is intention to get noticed in the way he has been..

Was he somehow trying to create race issues acting on behalf of who ever..

or was just the heat of the moment that went on longer than the norm...and he over reacted with too much force.

Another issue that they have brought out today in the UK is... if you have a partner who lives elsewhere... you cannot meet up to do as consulting adults on having sex basis.. ???


QuotePiers Morgan engaged in a furious row with Tory MP Tobias Ellwood over the Government's new lockdown sex ban

It comes a day after the Government rolled out lockdown guidelines that include the clause that completely bans two people from separate households gathering in a private place.

Piers kicked off the clash by asking Mr Ellwood via videolink: "why are you banning sex?"

The politician initially refused to comment, telling Piers he was not aware of the story and urged him to move on.

Refusing to take no for an answer, Piers snapped: "I've just read it to you."
The politician initially refused to comment, telling Piers he was not aware of the story and urged him to move on
The politician initially refused to comment, telling Piers he was not aware of the story and urged him to move onCredit: ITV

Growing increasingly frustrated, Mr Ellwood sniped it was another example of why his party was boycotting the show.

After being pressed further by the Daily Mail's Andrew Pierce, Mr Ellwood finally admitted that it sounded "ridiculous".

He said: "On the face of it, it does sound ridiculous, but you don't respect the fact that if I've not read into the story..."

Piers shouted: "You've just answered the question that I asked you 10 minutes ago. The reason you didn't want to answer is because you hadn't read the story, which I read to you four times.

"I don't know what more I can do to help you."
Piers didn't hold back in the clash

dont click on lik if you dont trust cookies...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/11761582/piers-morgan-clash-tobias-ellwood-sex-ban/






Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 02, 2020, 01:07:43 PM
I really don't care if people protest and march, but when the radical left unleashes their hords of losers and destroy and burn, it's a bit much to stand by and watch this crap.
A good portion of people couldn't give to hoots and a hollar about Floyd. They got an axe to grind.

ArMaP

Quote from: astr0144 on June 02, 2020, 05:07:46 PM
They are making quite a concern in the media of the incident being a Black race issue thing..
coming up with Black Lives Matter.
They are because they (whoever "they" may be) have something to gain from making it a racial issue.

While it's possible that there was a racist motive to use excessive force it's also possible that it was a personal reason, as they worked at the same time as security guards on a bar.

astr0144

I not sure I agree that this is made totally obvious that it was a racial incident..

Police (Inc white police can act similar to their own race when over reacting with force or during violent incidents)

People are assuming that..  but what evidence is there in reality ?  Is it a media thing that has also sparked this off more !

Has the Cop admitted to that ?

I was not aware that they may have had some past connection.. I have issed seeing that mentioned ...


Quote from: ArMaP on June 02, 2020, 11:58:34 PM
They are because they (whoever "they" may be) have something to gain from making it a racial issue.

While it's possible that there was a racist motive to use excessive force it's also possible that it was a personal reason, as they worked at the same time as security guards on a bar.