nasa images

[08rubicon]

  I have looked at nasa's images and am suprised by the lack of detail.
I have photographed craters Aristarchus and Romer over the last six
months, from my back yard,using a meade etx-125, 2x
barlow, and meade dsi II color and orion starshoot.Ran the video through
registax.What I see is not what is shown at nasa, as far as I can tell.Will
include a sample of my photos.Please comment and give me some info.

[The Seeker]

08rubicon, of course your photos are different from Never A Straight Answer's; unless you decide to let them do their wonderful airbrush magick on your footage; then it will match.  but I would suggest sending your footage to Sgt. Rock n Roll; he has the ways and means to do a top notch analysis for you. He has posted some very interesting images here for us already...

also looking forward to more of your photos to peruse 


seeker

[deuem]

  I have looked at nasa's images and am suprised by the lack of detail.
I have photographed craters Aristarchus and Romer over the last six
months, from my back yard,using a meade etx-125, 2x
barlow, and meade dsi II color and orion starshoot.Ran the video through
registax.What I see is not what is shown at nasa, as far as I can tell.Will
include a sample of my photos.Please comment and give me some info.

Hi, Since you must have already done a comparison on your photos to NASA photos, would you mind sharing which NASA photos you compared them to? The 3 photos on this thread were at 822x694, 390x348, 748x577 pixels. Did I get that right. If so what are you originals? Or what is the resolution, pixel to actual size. ( example: 1 pixel = 1 mile ) I really like to compare apples to apples if possible. Low res photos hide a lot. But large mountains and valleys should be similar.

A good first step I use is to bring a low res in with a high res and size them to the same scale to see the difference. Then go from there.

Thanks,  Deuem

[08rubicon]

reply to deuem- I wish I could answer your questions..The only image of crater romer I can find is
at www.nrl.navy.mil/clm/ -the clementine luner map, and google earth/moon..looks like the same
image..My unit will give max resolution of one mile +..Pixel size is 3.6 x 3.6 microns..My images
of romer show something in the upper side of crater that is not in any official image I can find.I think
it is a dome structure about six miles wide x thirty miles long, perhaps covering a mining opperation ?
thanks

[deuem]

reply to deuem- I wish I could answer your questions..The only image of crater romer I can find is
at www.nrl.navy.mil/clm/ -the clementine luner map, and google earth/moon..looks like the same
image..My unit will give max resolution of one mile +..Pixel size is 3.6 x 3.6 microns..My images
of romer show something in the upper side of crater that is not in any official image I can find.I think
it is a dome structure about six miles wide x thirty miles long, perhaps covering a mining opperation ?
thanks

Ok Rubicon, How about going back into Google Moon as a start. I am not saying that is the best place to start but it can easily be done. And free! ( I like free ) If you can grab the same snap shot there and then close in on it, a comparison can start. You can then find/share the moon coordinates.  Once you have them just type them into any search engine and you will come up with all sorts of photos found. I always search Moon locations by the coordinates. Try it and let us know.

In this world everything is based on resolution.  You must go for the highest you can find.

Also were the photo sizes I listed for your prints correct?  Are the masters larger?

I love Moon shots and working on them so I guess you have a new friend, Keep it up.

In my last active forum I spent several years working with another Moon friend.  I wonder if he would be interested in this. Last I checked he gave up the moon in favor of politics. But that could change.

Also I do all of my work in meters. If you post miles can you add both. I was also schooled in the American/English system of measure and it took me years to convert my brain. In the end the metric system is easy to learn, All 10 based. In Google Earth I even changed my defaults to metric to help me learn.

Deuem

[08rubicon]

 Deuem; image 3-28-1stax, origional size-640 x 480 stacked to
822 x 694 --  image 4-6-1stax , origional size 640 x 480, stacked to
390 x 348-- image moon s2 , origional with dsi II color cam, size
748 x 577. Crater aristarchus images are common, crater romer images
only can be found(by me) on google and www.nrl.navy.mil/clm  at
25.5 degrees N and 36.5 degrees E . Thanks for the info..

[08rubicon]

   More images- all meade dsI II color size 748 x 577
    08rubicon

[Pimander]

We have a resident member who is more than familiar with the Clementine archive (ArMaP).  I have sent an email so hopefully he can track down any decent images of Romer Crater and see what we find.  If there appears to be something I will contact my local observatory and ask them to photograph the crater or better still ask them to assist me in the endeavor.

Does that sound like plan?

[deuem]

Try this link
http://lpod.org/coppermine/displayimage.php?pos=-3673
http://the-moon.wikispaces.com/R%C3%B6mer
http://lpod.org/coppermine/displayimage.php?pid=3673&fullsize=1

Is this the one?



Deuem

[08rubicon]

pimander and deuem-The plan is what I was wanting to happen, and the image
is of crater romer - notice that below and left of romer is one small crater with
nothing showing in the upper portion of romer..check my image of romer, and
see three small craters lower left, 2 newer than the one shown by nasa. Also,
you will see in my image something large ( 6 miles wide x thirty or so miles
long ) in the upper right side of the crater. Thanks for all your help in finding
an answer to this anomoly.

[deuem]

Hi, is there any way you could mark up a copy of the photo. It is easy to see the buldge you are talking about but which craters on the lower left? The whole place is craters.
Deuem

[ArMaP]

Sorry for taking so long to answer, I had a problem with the Clementine database I use, so I had to use the older method.

That crater appears on two of those larger Clementine images (images that are in fact mosaics made with several photos.

There are also some Kaguya/Selene photos, but I am almost falling asleep, I already made some 8 mistakes in this post.

PS: I may even have the wrong photos, but I don't think so.
PPS: apparently the images are too big, I will try to post them tomorrow. Sorry. 

[ArMaP]

This is half of the real resolution of the images, but I guess that's enough for this.

http://starbase.jpl.nasa.gov/archive/clem1-l-u-5-dim-uvvis-v1.0/cl_4011/browse/750nm/large/ui24n033.htm

[Pimander]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think only half the crater is visible or that image (36.4E). :-/

ETA:  Oh, it's the smaller one just below that one isn't it?  My mistake.  LOL

ETA:  Doh! ignore edit!   

[Pimander]

Here is my summary of the best images I have so far.

08rubicon has taken 2 images using an optical scope in their back yard where Romer is clearly visible.


As you can see there is a triple crater visible to the SW of the main crater (Romer A?).


The triple crater is also visible on this image taken with the same scope (I think).




This image is from a Lunar Orbiter shot, which has already been posted by Deuem.  There is no triple crater visible.  SOURCE: http://lpod.org/coppermine/displayimage.php?pos=-3673


Finally we have one from Clementine (colour).  Again we don't see the triple crater to the SW.  SOURCE: http://lpod.org/coppermine/displayimage.php?pos=-368


Please correct me if that summary is wrong.


The big question for me is......  Are you sure you have taken pictures of Romer with your scope?

Does any of the surrounding landscape match the Lunar Orbiter or Clementine images?  I suspect not.  The Clementine and Lunar Orbiter images closely match whereas the 08rubicon ones appear to have different terrain around them.  Also notice how the edge of the crater to the SW is so close to the main crater that it appears to "touch" it.  In the Clementine and LO images Romer D to the SW is some distance away from Romer A.

Of course I could be completely wrong in which case one of you will shoot me down in flames shortly?  I hope so because if there is a triple crater to the SW of Romer then perhaps we have a discovery on our hands.