Ukranian - Russian War

[micjer]

Ukrainian - Russian conflict is all over the news as I am sure you all are aware of.

I have been wondering once again, what the truth really is behind the narrative.......


One thing I keep hearing is that Putin is actually a white hat and is standing up to Deep State Cabal. 

He has no interest in a One World Government, nor having his neighbouring countries being associated with such an agenda.

so here we go down the rabbit hole.......


First thing I find is that Volodymyr Zelensky is a comedian turned puppet president for Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Agenda.....




So when I hear Putin say his agenda is to free the Ukraine from its Nazi occupiers it has a whole total meaning.

Other thoughts??

[micjer]

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/ukraine-biological-weapons/

Then there are reports of a Bio weapons lab near the Russina border that was one of the first targets of the Russian military.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMVbpELXMAMFRdH?format=jpg&name=small


https://vaticancatholic.com/russian-strikes-targeting-us-run-bio-labs-in-ukraine/

The Russians also secured Chernobyl....makes one wonder if there is more to that. 

[astr0144]

.Thank you Micjer for confirming that you could access Martins website ok..with no messages.
I think the age issue is something to do with just my network.. unless its also now a overall UK issue.

No problem for me Astro and no mention of age to access.

In Terms of What you say about Putin and Ukraines Leader..

Having read some of Martin Armstrongs Articals the other day before my present access to his website problem.

I Thought that I managed to copy some of his articles about his views on the Situation...and one article also gave a good description about what Martin believed was occurring and why ... and also he explained in quite some detail about the Ukraines leaders Volodymyr Zelensky background..

One Article I think I did post on the other Covid thread...

But I cannot seem to find the copy of the other article.. but it was posted this Month on Martins website..maybe in the last 2 weeks.

IF I recall , yes he suggested that Putin had certain issues of how Volodymyr Zelensky was aiming to lead or control his Country and Putin made comments that many residents living there are still classed as Russian Citizens.

Then there mention of whether or not Putin wanted to turn some things back to the older ways..but not in a
negative way.. what ever that should mean... whether its to do with Communism, Markism..ways..
that either he wants to prevent occurring in Ukraine or to changes things back as they were in some ways
before the Countries in Russia split..

The other suggestions is that Putin is risking acting now as he believes that the west is much  weaker that has been for some years... ie since Trump was removed from power in the USA..
Europe with its Brexit issues... Covid etc...

That maybe he considered his risks to act now was a better time to do so.. with less chance of full strength opposition being acted against him.

Managed to find a copy of what I posted on the other Covid thread..


The Simple Solution to Ukraine

Martin Armstrong has posted some articles about the Ukraine situation ...
which many  people may not know whats really been going on...and he suggests that the
leader of the Ukraine seems to be at Fault and that some of their people still have Russian
connections of which Putin has concerns over as to why he maybe invading.so it may not
be down to some threats that may had been suggested by the media, and could be due to
somethings that we may have not known about.

Martin believes that he may have the Solution.

    COMMENT: You are wrong. Putin is the aggressor.

    SK

    REPLY: Look, the Minsk Agreement has dragged on for 8 years. You cannot simply blame Putin. Ukraine has refused to allow the people to vote on their own future. That is a denial of any democratic process and a denial of freedom. So now the propaganda that Putin is invading to deny freedom or democracy. It takes TWO to reach an agreement – not ONE!

    The solution has been staring the world in the face. Let the people vote and decide their own fate. That would remove any excuse Putin would have to protect Russians if they voted to be Ukrainians. I was with a Ukrainian friend in Greece and they refused to even take a flight home that connected through Moscow. The resentment runs very deep and it is certainly justified thanks to Stalin.

    Let me make this very clear. Zelensky is by no means doing this alone. The West desperately needs a diversion from COVID because politicians will never admit a mistake. But Zelensky is a fool. The West is willing to sacrifice even all of Ukraine if it then secures all the elections here in 2022 for those facing the public after COVID. The typical sales pitch will be you need them because now Putin is the threat, and you do not change horses in the middle of a river.

    Let the people vote and abide by their vote. That would remove ANY excuse to invade Ukraine. If Putin then invades, then you can call him the aggressor. The solution is simple. It is staring out us straight in the eye. Territorial borders are a throwback to imperialism. These regions are ethnically Russian. But politicians need war. They will lie and twist facts to create the justification for war. Ukraine is not a one-sided affair. It takes two to tango as they say.

So when I hear Putin say his agenda is to free the Ukraine from its Nazi occupiers it has a whole total meaning.

Other thoughts??

[08rubicon]

 Finally, someone who knows what is happening in Ukraine. Putin it the good guy. We, Biden and Ukraine and
sanctions, have pushed Russia to the point of war. The pipeline and expanding nato, was just too much. We can
and must solve our differences. All news outlets want war. We have to have an agreement that works for all.
    Wes

[ArMaP]

Then there mention of whether or not Putin wanted to turn some things back to the older ways..but not in a
negative way.. what ever that should mean... whether its to do with Communism, Markism..ways..
that either he wants to prevent occurring in Ukraine or to changes things back as they were in some ways
before the Countries in Russia split..

Putin is not a Communist, far from it, so I doubt he wants to go back to the Communism or Marxism ways.

I cannot know his real intentions, but it's a fact that there are many Russians living in Eastern Ukraine. It's also true that Ukraine never allowed a referendum regarding those regions' future. Unlike Catalonia in Spain, who isn't allowed a referendum regarding their independence either, these regions are full of people from a different country (Russia), so they can have support from that other country.

How much of what we see/read is true or lie, I cannot know, but I suspect things are not quite what they say when I see news like this:
Germany increases military spending for war against Russia
Macron tells French farmers: Ukraine war will weigh on you, and it will last
I get even more doubts about their good intentions.

[kevin]

This thread and the corona thread are intertwined in an agenda.

That agenda is global dominance and global de population.

Putin is not part of that agenda, but the MSM of most of the world are part of the agenda.

Lies Lies and damned lies.

Kevin

[kevin]

Wish this man would step up to be voted for.

Kevin

[astr0144]

 

Unfortunately, with not being able look at Martin Armstrongs website, I cannot recheck in more detail what he said.

and I was not sure if he was suggesting the the Ukraine leader may refer to maybe having some communist / marxist views... that he may have issues with.. maybe as Martin Armstrong suggests that the Ukraine people
maybe cannot vote.

It also maybe also that Putin did not like it when parts of Russia split, and when it was suggested Putin may want some things to go back to some of the old ways.. I dont think that includes Communism..
whether it ay mean rejoining some of the split countries back in the Hands of Russia or not I am not sure.
It also refers to that a lot of the Split Countries are still a lot of Russian people.

Ukraine has refused to allow the people to vote on their own future. That is a denial of any democratic process and a denial of freedom.

   

ArMaP : Putin is not a Communist, far from it, so I doubt he wants to go back to the Communism or Marxism ways.

whether its to do with Communism, Markism..ways..
that either he wants to prevent occurring in Ukraine or to changes things back as they were in some ways before the Countries in Russia split..

There was some suggestion I read somewhere that maybe Russia has a main oil supply to Germany that they may cut off if Germany retaliate which could create severe cold winter issues for them... and there also some suggested threats to some other countries from Russia towards, I think such as Sweden..Norway maybe.

ArMaP
How much of what we see/read is true or lie, I cannot know, but I suspect things are not quite what they say when I see news like this: Germany increases military spending for war against Russia

Also suggestions that Britain may become under severe Russian cyber attacks...

Russian cyber attacks could 'sabotage' everyday life for British people.
Former head of National Cyber Security Centre said there are risks of Vladimir Putin's cyber 'bombardment' reaching the West...  I am unable to copy the full article ..

It could become a rather complex Chess Game.

I am wondering if maybe somehow Martin Armstrongs website maybe being effected somehow in relation to
such sort of things, either by the UK Gov or Russia maybe  IF I were to find out others in the UK could not
access his website..

[kevin]

ast0144,

I have no problems accessing that site.

Kevin in middle England.

[astr0144]

You must have just read my mind Kevin..

IF you had not answered  just now, I was considering sending you a PM to ask if you confirm to me if you was able to access it.  So I appreciate your reply.

At least I now know.. It seems like its probably my Network creating the problem.
although they claims its the Govt requiring them to use a form of age varification system to certain websites..
even NON Adult content ones...

Other than offering me to use a facial recognition system... they offered me also another option..
which was to send me a email with a form to fill in... they said they were sending it to me..
but it has not arrived.

Why all of sudden, its occurring with this particular website.. I am not sure.. BUT also occurred on another website
I visit for a couple of days.. then things went back to normal and did not require any age confirmation.

ast0144,

I have no problems accessing that site.

Kevin in middle England.

[ArMaP]

and I was not sure if he was suggesting the the Ukraine leader may refer to maybe having some communist / marxist views... that he may have issues with.. maybe as Martin Armstrong suggests that the Ukraine people
maybe cannot vote.

They can vote, that's how their president got elected, the problem is that do not allow a referendum for the people to say their opinion about those mainly Russian areas to be independent/autonomous/remain part of Ukraine.

It also refers to that a lot of the Split Countries are still a lot of Russian people.

That happens mostly with Ukraine and Belarus, if I'm not mistaken.

There was some suggestion I read somewhere that maybe Russia has a main oil supply to Germany that they may cut off if Germany retaliate which could create severe cold winter issues for them... and there also some suggested threats to some other countries from Russia towards, I think such as Sweden..Norway maybe.

It's natural gas. Russia has been the main supplier of natural gas to the north-European countries for some years now. Germany stopped the certification of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, so it cannot be activated, resulting in Russia not selling that gas and Europe not getting that gas to use, mostly, in heating.
The other natural gas producing countries have already stated that they do not have the capacity to produce enough gas to supply all the demand in Europe.
As a kind of PS, Portugal and other south Europe countries get their natural gas from north Africa, but we are going to be affected by the increase in prices.

Also suggestions that Britain may become under severe Russian cyber attacks...

As if Russians are the only hackers in the World...

I am wondering if maybe somehow Martin Armstrongs website maybe being effected somehow in relation to
such sort of things, either by the UK Gov or Russia maybe  IF I were to find out others in the UK could not
access his website..

He's not important enough for that.

[astr0144]

.On previously reading some of Martin Armstrongs articles..

on one of them he seemed to suggest that the Ukraine people could NOT vote..
But on another article he does make ref to them having voted (At least within the last 5 years or so)

But you are probably right in them not being allowed to have a referendum.

In ref to me not being able to access Martins website... I am now even more confused...
I tried a different device and could access it... BUT the normal Laptop im using... I cannot access it..
So why that would be I dont know. unless Ive picked up some form of virus or spyware related to it.

BUT as I could access it on another device..but I am unable to post from it..
I have found ref to the article that I have been referring to on Martins website.

It was posted on Feb 22nd... and titled
Volodymyr Zelensky  :  The man intent on creating WW3
If anyone can find and  copy and paste it... Id appreciate it..

f you are willing or able to read it.. It gives quite a detailed description of whats occurred over the last few years.
which seems rather complex... with comments having been made the some of the previously leaders were set up
and removed.. or there were rumors of CIA plots.. or that the West choose who they wanted to put in power.
To the People Voted whoever in... where Putin May dispute who the leader really is or should be..

SO It may not be that straight forward.

They can vote, that's how their president got elected, the problem is that do not allow a referendum for the people to say their opinion about those mainly Russian areas to be independent/autonomous/remain part of Ukraine.

I thought Id read it was Oil, but Nat Gas still relates to a heating energy source.
But there was nothing suggesting Germany had done as you describe.. Ill have to recheck what was said if I can.

It's natural gas. Russia has been the main supplier of natural gas to the north-European countries for some years now. Germany stopped the certification of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, so it cannot be activated, resulting in Russia not selling that gas and Europe not getting that gas to use, mostly, in heating

NO,   but there is suggestions it could be more likely to be them if the UK was to react against them.
or other other hackers elsewhere could be acting on their side.

As if Russians are the only hackers in the World...

Why would you say that ?

How would he compare with anyone else who discusses such things as he does.
If he was actually exposing certain things that Govts or Russia was not happy about, may target him.
He also makes out , his Cycles system is desired by various Govts...

He's not important enough for that.

[kevin]

Good content in this about how corona and Ukraine are just pawns in the very richest of global games.
https://nworeport.me/2022/02/25/order-out-of-chaos-how-the-ukraine-conflict-is-designed-to-benefit-globalists/
Order out of chaos

Kevin

[ArMaP]

Why would you say that ?

Because you are the only person I have seen talking about him, as far as I remember.

If he was someone whose comments appeared in the media from time to time, it would be different.

[ArMaP]

In ref to me not being able to access Martins website... I am now even more confused...
I tried a different device and could access it... BUT the normal Laptop im using... I cannot access it..
So why that would be I dont know. unless Ive picked up some form of virus or spyware related to it.

That's strange. Do you use the same browser on both or are they different? That may be the source of your problem.

Meanwhile, here's a link for that article stored on the Internet Archive.

Volodymyr Zelensky – The Man Intent on Creating World War III

I am not going to post any thing from that site because I don't know what is the copyright situation on that site.

SO It may not be that straight forward.

Things in real life are usually not as straightforward as the media presents them, as "common people" are not interesting in spending enough time to understand complex situations.