Ukranian - Russian War

[astr0144]

Hi ArMaP,

Maybe that depends on how one may view things.
Many people who post online suggest Never trust the Media !

and the Media may not want to Post certain claimed experts material especially if they had a past background
that may have upset or tried to expose various Authorities or media in the past who may take certain views that
dont always tend to copy cat what often numerous media companies often tend to do.. which is to almost repeat
identically what another media source has said on a topic.

I am not saying he is perfect in his views or content by any means.. But I do think he does have quite vast knowledge to do do with past history and how it relates to many Worldwide Polictical issues.

I suppose most of us initially look to the media for general initial content or material for certain news stories
or topics.

BUT I dont many of us on PRC always trust what the media says !  or do we more trust other sources maybe ?
NOT ALWAYS either.... SO Do always conclude or end up  just with alternative views to consider and make our
own judgements...

CAN I ask is there anyone that you may rate who you may see as someone who stands out to be 
maybe more trusted or what ever than the general media or anyone else for that matter on certain
types of topics that we tend to discuss on PRC ?

Because you are the only person I have seen talking about him, as far as I remember.

If he was someone whose comments appeared in the media from time to time, it would be different.

Now I am even more severely puzzled.   

I am using Firefox.. and normally overall it opens most websites that I visit ok.
I also have google chrome.. but For some reason in the last few Months.. something has happened with it ..
I can open certain websites with it ok... BUT I now get a lot of issues with it..where its telling me my clock time
is set incorrectly..yet its appears that the time is set correctly.

Your clock is ahead
A private connection to www.whateversite. com can't be established because your computer's date and time (Sunday, 27 February 2022 at 19:56:01) are incorrect. NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID

The other device I used to check if I could access Martins website was using safari browser  on a mobile device.
The LINK you sent me... I CAN OPEN  OK.. BUT I NOTE.. it appears somewhat different...
CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW have you managed to send me that to be able to open ok...

You mention something about Internet Archives... is that another website that stores peoples website material or
their links ? I can also see something at the top referring to "Wayback machine" or  is it some sort of website screen catcher...which if it is Its better than a screen shot which would normally only allow a capture of a small part of a website.

I just checked up about Wayback machine and can see some description of it..
I do seem to come across the name before but was not sure what it referred to or how to use it.

The Wayback Machine is a digital archive of the World Wide Web founded by the Internet Archive,  Created in 1996 and launched to the public in 2001, it allows the user to go "back in time" and see how websites looked in the past.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayback_Machine

I can also open that on Google Chrome..

If I recall I was not even able to open PRC on GC for the last few months...
but I just tried it again and it opened ok.But I also cannot open Martins website on GC.

What ever thank you for posting the link...

That's strange. Do you use the same browser on both or are they different? That may be the source of your problem.

Meanwhile, here's a link for that article stored on the Internet Archive.
Volodymyr Zelensky – The Man Intent on Creating World War III

[astr0144]

Looking at this thread that Micjer has created.. IT is listed in the General discussion area...

Which may have good or concerning issues.
Maybe good in the fact that is open to the general Public who can also read it.

But maybe concerning if one wants to post some content that maybe some read by read by certain Organisations that the poster may not want them to see..

For now the Covid thread I created was asked to become Private to PRC members only..
and I may have to post some content that Id like to post on this thread on the Covid thread..as I am concerned about some of the information being seen by certain people.

Also for what I want to post... it does not have a link direct to it. so I will have to copy and paste it.

[ArMaP]

Many people who post online suggest Never trust the Media !

I said "media", not "mainstream media", as I never saw any reference to that site even on alternative media.

CAN I ask is there anyone that you may rate who you may see as someone who stands out to be 
maybe more trusted or what ever than the general media or anyone else for that matter on certain
types of topics that we tend to discuss on PRC ?

It depends on the topics, I don't have "good vs bad" list.

For example, the only news channel I watch, Euronews (in Portuguese) while I have my breakfast is good at reporting EU related news, not as good when it's about the Middle East, even less when it's about Russia or China. Also, the Portuguese version appears to have more of the "less mainstream" news than the English version, so I suppose each language has its editor, resulting in different news chosen by different editors.

What I do (and I do that to all things) is to try to understand how much can I trust something, so, on the above case, I trust Euronews some 90% when talking about EU related news, some 80% for Middle East news and some 60% for Russia and China news. That doesn't mean the news are not true, only that it looks like they are not getting the whole story, while on EU related news the news are more in dept and give me more of an idea of a "normal" news piece, without much bias.

I am using Firefox.. and normally overall it opens most websites that I visit ok.
I also have google chrome.. but For some reason in the last few Months.. something has happened with it ..
I can open certain websites with it ok... BUT I now get a lot of issues with it..where its telling me my clock time
is set incorrectly..yet its appears that the time is set correctly.

An incorrect clock may give problems with the certificates used by the HTTPS protocol, that's why Chrome, in its stupid way of trying to do things as they think should be done instead of how the user wants to do them, it blocks access to HTTPS sites.

The other device I used to check if I could access Martins website was using safari browser  on a mobile device.
The LINK you sent me... I CAN OPEN  OK.. BUT I NOTE.. it appears somewhat different...
CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW have you managed to send me that to be able to open ok...

Yes, it's a copy of that page made by the Internet Archive, stored on what they call the Wayback Machine.

It's an archive of millions of sites as they were on specific dates. Some sites are copied more than once each day, some are copied once or twice each year, some are only copied when someone asks for a page on the Internet Archive and that page isn't archived, they ask if we want them to make a copy.

It's very useful to see changes in sites.

What ever thank you for posting the link...

You're welcome.

[ArMaP]

But maybe concerning if one wants to post some content that maybe some read by read by certain Organisations that the poster may not want them to see..

If "they" wanted to know about member-only content they just had to register like anyone else, we wouldn't know they were from Organisation A or B.

As they say, "on the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog".

[astr0144]

Sorry I assumed using the term media may have included all other types of media ! 

I said "media", not "mainstream media", as I never saw any reference to that site even on alternative media.

Without having seen any Portugese TV.. I can not judge any views on it.
But some in the UK for eg believe that the BBC can untrusted on many topics that the report on.
I also see some things on other UK news Channels that I aslo question when I am made aware of
certain things from people whom I may follow.

BUT No doubt we can all question who ever may follow or may consider some of their views.
but in reality we may just using our own judgements as to what we may believe or consider could be more likely or valid.

It depends on the topics, I don't have "good vs bad" list

YES its an Utter Pain... especially when I cannot any fault on my Time settings.. unless its out by a few seconds..
its seems OK to the Minute.

An incorrect clock may give problems with the certificates used by the HTTPS protocol, that's why Chrome, in its stupid way of trying to do things as they think should be done instead of how the user wants to do them, it blocks access to HTTPS sites.

They MAY NOT decide to join if they could not see the Content posted in the 1st place.

Plus any that may decide to join, may not even know there are some Private threads asked to be set up..
unless they find out or get informed.

ALSO one never knows what such organisations could be capable of, when trying to spy on any website ?
or the suggested very clever hacker types.. who may be able to read private threads or PMs.

I heard of changing ones Sex, but Not Changing into another type of " Species , mammal / or  being" unless one maybe be an Alien.

As far as I know .. I am still a human ! 

If "they" wanted to know about member-only content they just had to register like anyone else, we wouldn't know they were from Organisation A or B.

As they say, "on the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog".

[astr0144]

Some news articles are now suggesting that Russia / Putin is threatening Nuclear options.


Putin has raised the abhorrent spectre of a nuclear option - could it be a sign of desperation?

Russia's decision to raise the spectre of a nuclear option in the Ukraine war is a significant escalation, but also perhaps a sign of desperation.


The thinking goes that by possessing nuclear arms - and only a few countries do, including the UK, US and China, though not Ukraine - a state would never use them against another nuclear power or its allies because it would mean mutually assured destruction as they would fire back.

The balance of that calculation though is impacted if one country - in this case Russia - suddenly puts its nuclear-armed forces on high alert.

As well as aggressive signalling to the West, it is also a menace for Ukraine.
Unlike for example UK nuclear weapons policy, Russia's nuclear doctrine allows for smaller, tactical nuclear warheads to be threatened in a conventional conflict - including against a non-nuclear-armed country such as Ukraine - in the hope that the other side capitulates in fear.

    Russians blow up gas pipeline in KharkivSky News Logo 

It is referred to as "escalate to de-escalate".

If the enemy does not back down, then Russia could in theory launch a limited - in relative terms - nuclear strike to inflict such punishing damage as to force a victory.

An abhorrent thought - making for a deliberately escalatory threat by the Kremlin.
But President Vladimir Putin's invasion is not going to plan. Four days in, his forces, despite their superior firepower, have failed to capture and hold any major cities.
Instead, they appear to be incurring significant losses.

As the invading force, they will know they only have finite supplies, from weapons to rations, so they will need to meet their objectives or face the prospect of retreat.

At the same time, the Western response to the invasion has been far more powerful than even the optimists had imagined.

Russian banks are being cut off from the main international payment system, and much of Europe's airspace is closed to Russian flights. Russian planes and allies of Ukraine, including previously opposed Germany, have pledged to supply thousands of much-needed weapons.

In the biggest gamble of his extended time in power, Mr Putin chose to send his troops and missiles into Ukraine last Thursday in defiance of Western warnings to hold back.

It means he cannot afford to fail or else he knows his time in power will almost certainly be over, leaving a legacy of humiliation and defeat.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/putin-has-raised-the-abhorrent-spectre-of-a-nuclear-option-could-it-be-a-sign-of-desperation/ar-AAUo1D2?ocid=uxbndlbing


Boris Johnson dismisses Putin's nuclear warning as a 'distraction'

The PM said the Russian leader is trying to divert attention from the fierce resistance his forces are facing in Ukraine

Boris Johnson has dismissed Vladimir Putin's announcement that he is putting Russia's strategic nuclear deterrent on high alert as a "distraction" from struggle his troops are facing in Ukraine

The Russian leader said on Sunday that he was putting Moscow's nuclear forces on a "special regime of combat duty" in response to "aggressive statements" coming from Western powers.

But in a pooled clip for broadcasters, the Prime Minister suggested his actions were more to do with the fact that his forces were meeting with "more resistance than the Kremlin had bargained for".

President Volodymyr Zelensky agreed the two sides could meet on the Ukraine-Belarus border having initially rejected an offer of talks in Belarus.

However Mr Johnson said he had seen nothing to suggest that Mr Putin was genuine in his offer.

"There's nothing I've seen so far in his behaviour that leads me to think that he could possibly be sincere," he said.

Earlier Russian television footage showed Mr Putin meeting with his defence minister and the chief of the general staff, and instructing them to put the nuclear deterrent on a "special regime of combat duty".

"Western countries aren't only taking unfriendly actions against our country in the economic sphere, but top officials from leading Nato members made aggressive statements regarding our country," he said.
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But on a day when the expected assault on Kyiv again failed to materialise and the Ukrainians claimed to have driven Russian forces out of the country's second city Kharkiv, Mr Johnson said his words were "a distraction from the reality of what's going on".

"This is an innocent people who are facing a totally unprovoked act of aggression against them, and what's actually happening is that they are fighting back perhaps with more effect, with more resistance, than the Kremlin had bargained for," he said.

"You can see some of the logistical difficulties that the Russian forces are experiencing.

"The Russian defence ministry have themselves conceded that they're having casualties.

Dont Click on link unless you want to accept cookies..maybe best read from above.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/boris-johnson-vladimir-putin-russian-ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-b984950.html

[kevin]

astr0144,
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/02/24/us-bioweapons-labs-in-ukraine-what-will-russia-find-in-the-labs/

Why has America had biological weapons labs in Ukraine?

Putin is acting in the interests of Russia and it's people.

Kevin

[astr0144]

Hi Kevin,

Nice find..looks quite a detailed article.. and no doubt raises further questions..

Mijcer referred to bio weapons in his 2nd post.
I have not managed to see Martins article.

I wonder what the west / USA / Europe/ Nato ,  will have to say about that if Putin indicates this is one of his main concerns.?


https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/ukraine-biological-weapons/

Then there are reports of a Bio weapons lab near the Russina border that was one of the first targets of the Russian military.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMVbpELXMAMFRdH?format=jpg&name=small

astr0144,
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/02/24/us-bioweapons-labs-in-ukraine-what-will-russia-find-in-the-labs/

Why has America had biological weapons labs in Ukraine?

Putin is acting in the interests of Russia and it's people.

Kevin

[micjer]

I agree Astro that one has to be careful now in what they post.

In this case i think we are only posting links to what is already on the web

I am certainly against war and not supporting either side.

I am just interested in finding out what is the truth and do not believe what MSM says about anything lately.

[micjer]

astr0144,
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/02/24/us-bioweapons-labs-in-ukraine-what-will-russia-find-in-the-labs/

Why has America had biological weapons labs in Ukraine?

Putin is acting in the interests of Russia and it's people.

Kevin

That is quite a link Kevin.

I am surprised Russia hasnt done something about lab in Georgia since they seem to be in control there

[astr0144]

Its a bit of a tricky one really..

As there are somethings no doubt that could bring the wrong attention to certain Organisations..
especially if new Internet laws start coming in more and more in some of the articles that I had posted.

but also I would think some of the public who visit the site may also like to read them.
and it may or may not  bring in new members.

As this is your thread.. if you are also concerned... I think you would have to ask ArMaP or one of the other Mods if they could make it private.

Otherwise Maybe for Now Micjer...

I myself may still post some connected links to this thread on my other thread if I am concerned about posting them on this thread..

..which I think most present members can obtain both threads for now.

May have to discuss some further things later on PM maybe if we may not want to comment on this thread for now.  (Maybe wait to later to  see if ArMaP has any further views)

I agree Astro that one has to be careful now in what they post.

In this case i think we are only posting links to what is already on the web

I am certainly against war and not supporting either side.

I am just interested in finding out what is the truth and do not believe what MSM says about anything lately.

[kevin]

[kevin]

Before ArMaP tells Me off for not adding content to the above, I did multiple times and it kept vanishing.
Kevin

[micjer]

Once again thanks for link Kevin

Wonderful summary of what seems to be whats going on

Need to download vid before it is taken down

[kevin]

This idiot of a foreign secretary is encouraging Britons to war against Russia.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-60544860

You should never kick a hornets nest, they will defend themselves to the death

Kevin