Maui fires. Natural disaster or dark forces ar work?

[ArMaP]

There are local residents that say they could have saved their houses near the beginning of fire, but when they turned on their water hose, there was no water!

I saw somewhere that this was one of the main complaints (and consistent with fallen cables starting the fires), the lack of electricity in many places.
Without electricity to make the pumps work the water in the pipes is not going to move much, if at all.

[ArMaP]

It is also very suspicious that there are so many wild fires in north america and europe.

I don't know about North America, as I haven't followed the situation, but in Europe we have been having a long period temperatures above average for this time (that is already the hottest time of the year). In France, for example, in some places they have been having temperatures above 30º C for more than two weeks, and that's the same trend we have seen in the last two years: not hotter but longer periods of hot and dry weather in some areas, while in others we have strong rains, usually after those areas have had a long period of hot and dry weather too.

In Portugal, where I live (just south of Lisbon), we only had 50 mm of rain from April to July. That creates perfect conditions for all the vegetation to dry and become perfect target for fires, either natural or man-made.

Begs the question .... is this part of an orchestrated plan to promote their climate change agenda?

They usually mention floods, rising ocean levels and higher temperatures, they don't mention fires, probably because they are not a good way of making money fast with some political scheme.

[Sgt.Rocknroll]

Seems there was a violent wind storm several weeks before the fire that blew down some power lines.
When the power company didn't fix the down power lines and returned power on, that's what started the fires.

Now I know about down power lines because we still have leaning power lines even after Katrina. Sounds reasonable to me.

But not letting people evacuate is unforgiveabe.

[ArMaP]

But not letting people evacuate is unforgiveabe.

I agree, but we should never underestimate people's stupidity.

My father used to tell a story about some army base in which, one day, they painted the benches near the entrance (something common in Portugal) and they told the sentinels not to let people sit on the benches because of the fresh paint.
Either because the message was not well transmitted or was not well understood, what was passed was only the prohibition, not the reason, so only some days later they noticed that there was an apparent order against using the benches and the situation was cleared.

In the case of not letting people evacuate I see the possibility of a similar situation, someone telling them not to let people pass in one direction (or assuming they would understand it was only in one direction) and they not allowing people pass in any direction.

Nobody in their right mind would stop people from evacuating orderly an area being affected by a fire.

But I also think that things are rarely as easy as we think, only when we are the ones living those situations do we see how things are, so the possibilities are many.

[RUSSO]

Developers and investment groups swooping in to buy up propetties from folks that can't afford to rebuild, or have perished in fire.

And it seems a "little" bit more. It seems.

[micjer]

The more videos coming out about this fire, the more it looks far from normak.

What's up with the boats melting and catching fire in the marina for example

[ArMaP]

What's up with the boats melting and catching fire in the marina for example

Depends on the boat's material and the distance to the fire it could be normal or suspicious.

Do you have a link to that video?

[Littleenki]

Other than a common cause, like Arson, or downed power lines, a Solar Flare could cause a EMP which would explain down services and cars bursting into flames and burning everything around them, instead of the other way around.

Think of the cars being like on an induction range, and the lines of the magnetic fields would allow some things to survive, and others right next to them to be liquified or vaporized.

Boats have engines and lots of metal, so they would burst into flames as well igniting fuel tanks.

Any structures that survived the Flare(s) would appear untouched or mysteriously saved by an unseen force.

Its like a natural and unnatural set of forces might have come together to create a scenario noone expected.

So why is the military and govt there so adamant about noone videoing or reporting on events and outcomes?

A bit fishy if you ask me.

Cheers?!
Le

[ArMaP]

Other than a common cause, like Arson, or downed power lines, a Solar Flare could cause a EMP which would explain down services and cars bursting into flames and burning everything around them, instead of the other way around.

A solar flare wouldn't be localized to a small area.

[Littleenki]

A solar flare wouldn't be localized to a small area.

Oh? So...when was the last time you or anyone who knew what one was observed one?

Not very recently Id guess.

So you have no idea what the behaviors of one would be, at least beyond a simple theory or reports from starstruck people after Carrington.

Also I suggested it may have been Part of a scenario, not the entire scenario.

Le

[ArMaP]

Oh? So...when was the last time you or anyone who knew what one was observed one?

Not very recently Id guess.

I never saw one, as I do not have any special equipment to see one, but many astronomers have seen them in the images taken by those special equipment.

Being something originating from the Sun, it affects the Earth in the same way the light from the Sun does, it affects the "side" of the Earth facing it when the radiation reaches the Earth, it doesn't pick just part of a small island in the middle of the ocean.

There have been many solar flares and no report (as far as I know) of any special problems besides interferences with radio communications.

So you have no idea what the behaviors of one would be, at least beyond a simple theory or reports from starstruck people after Carrington.

I don't have the slightest idea of what you are talking about.

Also I suggested it may have been Part of a scenario, not the entire scenario.

You said "Solar Flare could cause a EMP which would explain down services and cars bursting into flames and burning everything around them".
If a solar flare could do that it would do it to the whole part of the Earth facing the Sun at the time.

[Littleenki]

ArMap my friend, Methinks youre debunking just for the sake of debunking is what Im saying, and not staying open minded as to how there may be features of a solar flare or emp we dont understand.

Mainstream scientists are wrong quite often, so just because their instruments dont tell them one thing doesnt mean that thing or something unseen as until now couldnt happen or be possible.

I still say it was part nature, part failure on a human level, and the human failure could be based on noone thinking a solar flare or emp could be more localized because the scientists told them it cant be.

Or maybe we are seeing a new phenomena, with elements of solar flares and emps but more unusual in nature.

We are flying through fields of radiation and electromagnetism that current mankind has never experienced.
But sure, go ahead and sit in your trench and dig up the same pottery shards that tell you the same things youve been being told for years.

Skepticism has a limit and being more open minded may set you free from the trench that traps so many who think they are digging for truth, but who are really just stuck in a hole that has nothing to offer but the same old dogmatic ideas and theories.

I think thats what happened here on this forum, was the free thought that flourished in past years was overly debunked and skepticized at the expense of members who found themselves speaking to a wall and not being able to entertain unique ideas because mainstream science says those ideas cannot be possible.

Now those hundreds who used to interact and discuss not only proven science, but fringe science too regardless of what the subject was, have left to go elsewhere.

Of course thats just my two cents...Im probably wrong as usual.😉

Cheers!
Le

[ArMaP]

ArMap my friend, Methinks youre debunking just for the sake of debunking is what Im saying, and not staying open minded as to how there may be features of a solar flare or emp we dont understand.

Mainstream scientists are wrong quite often, so just because their instruments dont tell them one thing doesnt mean that thing or something unseen as until now couldnt happen or be possible.

Explain how something that happens in the Sun can affect only a very small part of the Earth's surface and not the rest.

I still say it was part nature, part failure on a human level, and the human failure could be based on noone thinking a solar flare or emp could be more localized because the scientists told them it cant be.

Or maybe we are seeing a new phenomena, with elements of solar flares and emps but more unusual in nature.

Why are you fixated on the solar flare idea? What evidence do you have that things happened like you said in a previous post?

Skepticism has a limit and being more open minded may set you free from the trench that traps so many who think they are digging for truth, but who are really just stuck in a hole that has nothing to offer but the same old dogmatic ideas and theories.

Being open minded includes accepting the possibility of the main stream science being right.
What concrete evidences do you have that fire, at least in some places, could have started because of EMP that burned cars from inside? Why are you proposing that idea?

I think thats what happened here on this forum, was the free thought that flourished in past years was overly debunked and skepticized at the expense of members who found themselves speaking to a wall and not being able to entertain unique ideas because mainstream science says those ideas cannot be possible.

Aren't you being close minded about people that ask for evidence instead of accepting any new idea that is proposed?

I don't have any problem with new points of view, but I need facts to make an opinion. Just because someone presents a new idea it doesn't mean that idea is right. It doesn't mean it's wrong either, it means it should be tested before being accepted, like all other ideas.

Now those hundreds who used to interact and discuss not only proven science, but fringe science too regardless of what the subject was, have left to go elsewhere.

That has happened in other forums too, and I blame Facebook and the impression it gave to many people that if they have "likes" then that means they are always right, so they started seeing any kind of disagreement as a personal attack.

[Littleenki]

Time to reflect on yourself my friend ArMap, the ball is in your court, you may want to sit back and take a moment to consider what caused discord here because it certainly wasnt facebook and it certainly wasnt people taking criticism wrongly, it was fairly obvious to many I have spoken to, I myself more than once being the victim of someones personal ire using terms of the forum as a crutch.

Look at the maybe a dozen or so of us who still are here, and ask yourself why noone other than these few chimes in anymore.

Maybe its because if the idea presented doesnt fit your mold, you bullet point their every statement, declaring yourself correct in every circumstance.

Why do you think I separate my paragraphs with a space?
To make it easier for you to do what you do best, reject and correct every single quote.

People will not really care about you doing that if you were just another member, but youre an admin, so instead of trying to fight through that stubborn wall of self importance they just find another place to discuss their thoughts.

Which is precisely why this forum went from hundreds of posts and replies a day to almost being an echo chamber.

I suspect you will find this all meaningless and disregard every word, but the first step to being an admin who is respected and admired in forum discussion is having an open mind and instead of deriding every thing you disagree with, thats the job of the community skeptic or debunker.

And, if noone ever points this out for whatever personal reasons, you will never hear it because they dont want to lose their relevance or place in the heirarchy.

I do like you, and enjoy some of the discussions we have had here and there, and am sure you would be someone I would find fascinating and fun to hang with, and that is exactly why I am saying all of this, because I know you have it in you to perfect what youre doing here, maybe even become better than anyone has ever been at it.

Take my words as an olive branch and a helpful hand, even if my ideas and theories are wilder or more puzzling to you than others you have adopted, we both have valid points in taking the time to come here and share instead of wasting it on the drones and zombies on social media somewhere.

Id love to see people coming here again, and have been told by many Ive invited after they came here they were made to feel ridiculed or demeaned by some of those mods and admins, so they just didnt come back, wouldnt it be cool if we could change that brother?
Wouldnt it be cool if this was a place like it was meant to be, a forum of discussion instead of round hole which only allows round pegs?

Much love to all here, no exceptions.

Le

[ArMaP]

Maybe its because if the idea presented doesnt fit your mold, you bullet point their every statement, declaring yourself correct in every circumstance.

Some years ago people used to tell me that I used "in my opinion" too much, that it was obvious that what I was saying was my opinion. Maybe I shouldn't have stopped doing that.
Please show me where I have declared myself "correct in every instance".

People will not really care about you doing that if you were just another member, but youre an admin, so instead of trying to fight through that stubborn wall of self importance they just find another place to discuss their thoughts.

Self importance? I'm a useless nobody on a forum, the only thing I can give is my time and my opinions.
If people think that, because I'm an admin I should not give my opinion (unless it follows their own opinions) I suppose I will stop posting.