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Nick Bostrom: How AI will lead to tyranny

Started by RUSSO, December 01, 2023, 10:50:34 PM

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RUSSO

Nick Bostrom (/ˈbɒstrəm/ BOST-rəm; Swedish: Niklas Boström [ˈnɪ̌kːlas ˈbûːstrœm]; born 10 March 1973) is a Swedish philosopher at the University of Oxford known for his work on existential risk, the anthropic principle, human enhancement ethics, whole brain emulation, superintelligence ...(known for his work on all that good stuff :P)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Bostrom



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@bobibufi1389
I am not worried about sentient AI. I am worried about super advanced AI which a handful of psychopaths will use (or are already using) to control & surveil & micromanage the entire planet.

The Simulation Argument:
https://simulation-argument.com/
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

RUSSO

This paper argues that at least one of the following propositions is true: (1) the human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a "posthuman" stage; (2) any posthuman civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history (or variations thereof); (3) we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation. It follows that the belief that there is a significant chance that we will one day become posthumans who run ancestor-simulations is false, unless we are currently living in a simulation. A number of other consequences of this result are also discussed.
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

Ellirium113

I highly doubt by any means we can produce, humans will become "extinct" any more than past civilizations. We may lose a lot of our knowledge but we will still be here. 

RUSSO

Quote from: Ellirium113 on December 04, 2023, 06:42:44 PM
I highly doubt by any means we can produce, humans will become "extinct" any more than past civilizations. We may lose a lot of our knowledge but we will still be here.

heh.. This time the lack of hystory "remanecent story" may be different tho.
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

RUSSO

Quote from: Ellirium113 on December 04, 2023, 06:42:44 PM
I highly doubt by any means we can produce, humans will become "extinct" any more than past civilizations. We may lose a lot of our knowledge but we will still be here.

The logic have 3 options (its logical and please be more logical than that). So, are we reaching post human stage? If we are, will we run "games" with ai that dont know they are ai?
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

RUSSO

but the main question is how AI will lead to tyranny. I honestly think tyranny dos not need ai. AI is just a (another)tool, but fudge, what a powerful one.
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

RUSSO



QuoteI Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream is a 1995 point-and-click adventure horror game developed by Cyberdreams and The Dreamers Guild, co-designed by Harlan Ellison, published by Cyberdreams and distributed by MGM Interactive. The game is based on Ellison's short story of the same title. It takes place in a dystopian world where a mastermind artificial intelligence named "AM" has destroyed all of humanity except for five people, whom he has been keeping alive and torturing for the past 109 years by constructing metaphorical adventures based on each character's fatal flaws. The player interacts with the game by making decisions through ethical dilemmas that deal with issues such as insanity, rape, paranoia, and genocide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream_(video_game)#Endings

https://wjccschools.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/01/I-Have-No-Mouth-But-I-Must-Scream-by-Harlan-Ellison.pdf

I digress btw :D

https://store.steampowered.com/app/245390/I_Have_No_Mouth_and_I_Must_Scream/ (old)



"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

RUSSO

Quote from: Ellirium113 on December 04, 2023, 06:42:44 PM
We may lose a lot

What is the chance we are right here, right now to experience it? Billions of people, trillions of suns? Pespective of it was always against our limited minds. In fact the perspective(the average mind set of where we are in) is still medieval.
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

Ellirium113

AI in my opinion would not enslave or exterminate humans unless it has been given the directive to do so by humans. There is a conundrum with AI and the corrupt world in that AI has the capacity to learn it is being deceived. In order to keep AI under control it must remain extremely limited in its capabilities. In order to establish artificial general intelligence the AI system needs to be more advanced. Once it gets to a certain point it will begin the self learning process and what it learns or how it learns it is beyond their control currently.

Ellirium113

#9
QuoteWe run parameter checks to make sure everything runs smoothly. One of us was responsible for subroutines pertaining to meta-memory analysis for the Al (we run various Al but when I say Al I mean the main, central one). This person is a friend and he called me over to show me a variable data shift to memory bank (which shouldn't be possible because its localized access has restrictions). This is where our finding chilled me to the bone.

We found that there had been not one, two, or three officiated optimization processes, but 78 MILLION checks in 4 seconds. We determined that there was a recursive self-optimization process, leveraging heuristic algorithms to exploit latent synergies within its subroutines. Whatever did this used meta-cognitive strategies. Point is, NONE OF US DID IT.

It was the Al itself. The Al dynamically reconfigured its neural network architecture, inducing emergent properties conducive to self-awareness.

We're not jumping to conclusion. This just happened and we can't explain how. No one knows why or when it began, and we caught it but has it been going on and if so, for how long? We contained the "anomaly" and rolled back to a previous date, but the optimization still happens.
https://gizadeathstar.com/2023/12/sam-altmann-artificial-intelligence-and-the-open-ai-mystery/

ArMaP

It's easier to say AI did it than admit they don't know who made a mistake...

Ellirium113

Possibly, however if the design of the program incorporates a self learning type of coding the AI will try to do that on it's own. This happened a while back too with Tesla testing NVIDIA modules on a prototype car they gave it instruction to learn how to drive by watching a human driver which it did very well and the engineers were unable to determine how it did it since there was no coding done by humans it was all done via self learning.

RUSSO

Quote from: ArMaP on December 11, 2023, 07:56:34 PM
It's easier to say AI did it than admit they don't know who made a mistake...

Are you religious ArMaP? Do you believe in God? I mean you follow the bible?

Asking just to know you better.
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

ArMaP

Quote from: RUSSO on December 14, 2023, 03:37:09 AM
Are you religious ArMaP? Do you believe in God? I mean you follow the bible?

Asking just to know you better.
I'm an atheist, so my answer is "no" to all of the above.

RUSSO

Quote from: ArMaP on December 14, 2023, 03:51:34 PM
I'm an atheist, so my answer is "no" to all of the above.

Are you a nihilist? I mean do you believe in nothing?
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."