Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?

[Mikado]

No problem, Just please allow me one get out of Jail card when I type a mistake. I did think that is what happened. Wow, 7000kw, I would be frozen to death.

You have as many as you want, as long as you identify the first and it will be self renewing. <g>

A person who admits their mistakes is a person I want in the foxhole with me.

Mikado

[Amaterasu]

I e-mailed his group, with te idea, Amy, we'll see what happens.
I just dont want to be accused of "Emote control"

And that popcorn? GMO corn layered with chemicals, and popped in a microwave field?

Mmmm sounds good, how did Orville sell this stuff on us?

Le

LOL!

Yeah, I have eaten maybe two dozen bags of that stuff in My life - and all many years ago.  Haven't used a mike in a very long time.  I have no idea how I was sold on eating the first nor why I ate any beyond that - but back then, I don't think it was GMO....

[Amaterasu]

We used to be able to buy water radiators...for BETTER health! WTF???
Heres a PS article that describes how it was in fashion to drink irradiated water back in the early 1900's. We have come a long way, havent we...now just a hundred more years until everything is irradiated and the world will be a great place to live...NOT!
A quote from the article:

...

Wow, so I guess eating that GMO microcorn will be news in about 50 years, and we will say the same things then about it that we are saying about this madness!

Cheers(I think?)

So...  We hear all these horror stories, but did anyOne ever hunt down these women (or what's left of them)?  Find out how life went for Them?  I'm very curious.

[thorfourwinds]

We've arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology.

We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology.

This is a prescription for disaster.

We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.

~ Carl Sagan

Japan has established radiation safety standards for its seafood... (Tsuno/Getty)

Are fish from the Pacific Ocean and Japanese coastal and inland waters safe to eat 16 months after the Fukushima nuclear disaster?



25 July 2012

      
   
source
Berkeley Radiological Air and Water Monitoring Forum

Post-Fukushima, Japan's irradiated fish worry B.C. experts

Little-known statistics compiled by Japan's Fisheries Agency have documented persistently high post-Fukushima radiation levels in fish.?Japan's Fukushima catastrophe brings big radiation spikes to B.C.

Monitoring stations catch a fraction of Fukushima fallout

Are fish from the Pacific Ocean and Japanese coastal and inland waters safe to eat 16 months after the Fukushima nuclear disaster?


Governments and many scientists say they are.

But the largest collection of data on radiation in Japanese fish tells a very different story.


In June, 56 percent of Japanese fish catches tested by the Japanese government were contaminated with cesium-137 and -134. (Both are human-made radioactive isotopes—produced through nuclear fission—of the element cesium.)

And 9.3 percent of the catches exceeded Japan's official ceiling for cesium, which is 100 becquerels per kilogram (Bq/kg). (A becquerel is a unit of radioactivity equal to one nuclear disintegration per second.)

Radiation levels remain especially high in many species that Japan has exported to Canada in recent years, such as cod, sole, halibut, landlocked kokanee, carp, trout, and eel.

Of these species, cod, sole, and halibut, which are oceanic species, could also be fished by other nations that export their Pacific Ocean catch to Canada.

The revelations come from the Japanese Fisheries Agency's radiation tests on almost 14,000 commercial fish catches in both international Pacific and Japanese waters since March 11, 2011, when an earthquake and tsunami triggered multiple meltdowns at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant.

The wrecked plant spewed enormous amounts of radiation into the Pacific, where

cesium levels
near the Fukushima coast
shot up to an astonishing
45 million times
the pre-accident levels.

Nothing to see here, move along.


"Japan's Fisheries Agency data is easily the most comprehensive on Fukushima's radioactive impacts on the Pacific Ocean,

home to the world's biggest fishery and a major food source for more than a billion people.

The numbers show that far from dissipating with time, as government officials and scientists in Canada and elsewhere claimed they would, levels of radiation from Fukushima have stayed stubbornly high in fish.


In June 2012, the average contaminated fish catch had 65 becquerels of cesium per kilo.

That's much higher than the average of five Bq/kg found in the days after the accident back in March 2011, before cesium from Fukushima had spread widely through the region's food chain."


In some species, radiation levels are actually higher this year than last.


The highest cesium level in all of the catches came in March—a year after the accident—when a landlocked masu salmon caught in a Japanese river was found to have a whopping 18,700 becquerels of cesium per kilogram—or 187 times Japan's ceiling.

Burnaby MD Tim Takaro says he now avoids eating fish from the vicinity of Japan. "I would find another source for fish if I thought it was from that area," said Takaro, an associate professor in Simon Fraser University's faculty of health sciences.

"There are way too many questions and not enough answers to say everything is fine," Takaro said in a phone interview. "There is a need for monitoring. There isn't any question in my mind about that."

Takaro is a member of the Canadian antinuclear group Physicians for Global Survival, which joined five other Canadian and international medical and environmental groups last week to issue a statement calling on the B.C. Centre for Disease Control, Ottawa, and U.S. authorities to monitor Pacific migratory fish and seafood imports from Japan and other nations that ply the Pacific with their fishing fleets.

"Doing this kind of monitoring is a fundamental responsibility of governments," said Vancouver MD Erica Frank, who spearheaded the statement.


"People shouldn't have to worry about radiation levels in the food they eat."

Frank—a Canada Research Chair in UBC's faculty of medicine and a past president of the Nobel Prize–winning U.S. group Physicians for Social Responsibility, another signatory of the statement—said she also avoids eating fish from Japan.

"I think it's important to ask purveyors of Pacific food where it comes from," she said.

Except when it not in the best interests of the USGOV/JAPGOV/NOAA/EPA, etc.


Check this out:

Radiating Americans: Fukushima rain, Clinton's secret food pact

Government agreed to downplay Fukushima radiation

"Fukushima is far from stabilized according to energy advisor veteran with 39 years of nuclear power engineering experience, Arnie Gundersen who told Solar IMG Saturday that

Americans, not just in the Northwest, are unaware of being rained on with Fukushima nuclear hot particles and eating Fukushima contaminated food because the US government has deliberately minimized the catastrophe,

partially due to a pact Secretary of State Hillary Clinton signed with Japan.


Gundersen, with a team of other scientists, intends to prove government statements about Fukushima are false.

"The United States came up with a decision to downplay Fukushima," said Gundersen who is awakening the public with information such as hot particles in rain will continue falling in the U.S., not just in the Pacific Northwest, for another year, and mentioning high-level fallout in Oklahoma a few days ago."


Did someone mention Ponca?

We were on that one, too.

Gundersen told SolarIMG that high-level people he knows in the State Department said Hillary Clinton signed a pact with her counterpart in Japan agreeing for the United States to continue buying food from Japan,

despite that food not being properly tested for radioactive materials.

"So we are not sampling the food coming into the United States," he said, repeating,

"The US government has come up with a decision at the highest levels of the State Department, as well as other departments who made a decision to downplay Fukushima."

In April, the month after the powerful tsunami and earthquake crippled Japan including its nuclear power plant,

"Hillary Clinton signed a pact with Japan that she agreed there is no problem with Japanese food supply and we will continue to buy them so we are not sampling food coming in from Japan"

according to Gundersen.

Nicholas Fisher is one of the few U.S. scientists studying Fukushima's impacts on migratory fish in the Pacific.

Fisher said he was surprised when told about the high cesium levels in the Japanese fisheries data. It makes him leery of eating fish from Japanese waters, he said.

"Those are high numbers. It would give me pause if I were eating fish in Japan....Imported fish are also a concern," said Fisher, a marine-sciences professor at New York's Stony Brook University. Fisher added in a phone interview that the persistently high cesium numbers may be a sign that the Fukushima plant is still leaking radiation into the ocean.

Trying to limit your radiation exposure from fish?

Governments haven't given much information on which species were hardest hit, but the Japanese data gives good clues.

Yet it has gotten virtually no notice from journalists or scientists in North America.

The data shows the contamination has remained high in both saltwater species and freshwater fish found in Japanese lakes and rivers. Especially high cesium levels have been found in recent months in these saltwater species: halibut (a catch in May 2012 had 570 Bq/kg), sole (a catch in January had 180 Bq/kg), and cod (a catch in February had 260 Bq/kg).

All of these catches exceed Japan's 100 Bq/kg ceiling for cesium in food, but none would have surpassed Canada's much higher ceiling,

which is 1,000 Bq/kg.

WTF?


Freshwater species such as trout, carp, and (landlocked) masu and kokanee salmon have also recently shown very high cesium levels, as have eels, which live in both fresh and salt water. (See table for details.) Also troubling:


except for sole and cod, all of these species had their highest cesium readings in 2012, not 2011.


A big question here is the fate of the salmon.

Some migratory B.C. salmon stray into Japanese waters or could traverse a vast mass of radioactive water—now slowly making its way eastward across the Pacific—which is expected to reach the North American west coast by 2017, extending from Vancouver Island southward to Baja California (according to a July 9 report in Environmental Research Letters).

The Japanese data tells us a little about how some salmon species were affected.


Half of the 10 coho salmon tested since the Fukushima disaster were contaminated with cesium.

50% of the salmon are already radioactive...

One coho caught in Japanese coastal waters last October had 114 Bq/kg of cesium, surpassing Japan's ceiling. Chum salmon, on the other hand, showed much less contamination than coho, with only nine of 257 chum catches since the accident testing positive for cesium.

The highest amount detected was eight Bq/kg in a catch last November.

Among the hardest-hit fish species are landlocked salmon. Every one of the 42 kokanee (a landlocked sockeye salmon) tested since March 2011 had at least some cesium contamination. Japan exported $430,000 of kokanee to Canada in the first four months of 2012, according to Statistics Canada figures.

A kokanee with 200 Bq/kg was caught in April of this year, according to the Japanese data. In both May and June, kokanee with 180 Bq/kg were caught.

But the record for most cesium in all the fish catches was handily set by the landlocked masu salmon (native to the Western Pacific) that registered 18,700 Bq/kg in March.

Statistics Canada data shows Japan exported $37,000 worth of "Pacific, Atlantic, and Danube salmon" to Canada in the first four months of 2012.

Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada spokesperson James Watson said by phone from Ottawa that his department doesn't know if Canada has imported masu salmon from Japan.

And just why would this be, pray tell?

The Canadian Food Inspection Agency said in a July 17, 2012, statement that Canada has imported one shipment of masu salmon, in October 2011, since Fukushima.

The statement says the product was processed in the U.S., the shipment's country of origin was not disclosed by the importer, and the product was not tested for radiation.

(Masu salmon is also found in other parts of East Asia.)

CFIA spokesperson Lisa Gauthier refused to make someone available to answer questions on fish monitoring.

Japanese finance ministry trade data, however, shows Japan exported 120 kilograms of masu salmon to Canada in April 2011, directly after the nuclear accident.

The test data does have some better news for other species. Tuna, octopus, and anchovies (as well as seaweed) have all seen declining cesium levels since last winter after much higher contamination in the six to nine months after the accident. Even so, however, 69 percent of anchovies still had some cesium contamination in June (the highest level was 5.5[ Bq/kg), and so did 32 percent of tuna (the highest reading was 1.9 Bq/kg).

Cesium levels in tuna could still go up as they become more exposed to radioactive water near Japan, said Stony Brook University's Fisher.

Fisher cowrote a study in May 2012 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that reported that of 15 Pacific bluefin tuna caught off the California coast, all had radioactive cesium from Fukushima. The tuna had an average of 10.3 Bq/kg when they were caught last August.

That's 100% radioactive
cesium contamination
for you folks in Rio Linda.

The amounts are below government ceilings, but government regulators and scientists generally agree that

no amount of
radiation is safe.

For example, Canada's ceiling for radiation is set at a level that allows 5,000 to 8,000 cancers per million people over a 70-year lifetime of exposure, according to Health Canada's models and those of a landmark 2006 U.S.

National Academy of Sciences report on cancer risk from radiation. (About half of the cancers would be fatal.)

Health Canada's ceilings for chemical carcinogens are generally set at levels that cause a maximum of one to 10 lifetime cancers per million people.


Authorities in Canada dismiss the calls for monitoring.

"Not involved, not involved," said Tom Kosatsky, the B.C. Centre for Disease Control's acting medical director of environmental health services, when asked about monitoring of radiation in Pacific fish.
"It's a federal responsibility," he said in a phone interview.


In the past, the CFIA has said it has no plans to monitor Pacific fish or imports from Japan and other countries whose fishing fleets plumb the Pacific.


The agency briefly monitored Japanese food imports from the vicinity of Fukushima after the accident, but ceased the tests in June 2011. It also did radiation tests on a dozen fish caught in B.C. coastal waters last August and another 20 in February 2012, finding no cesium, according to the CFIA website.

The B.C. Seafood Alliance's Christina Burridge said in a phone interview last January that she was surprised the CFIA wasn't doing more tests.

She said the agency last year promised her group, an umbrella of Pacific seafood-harvesting associations, that it would test Pacific salmon and tuna returning to B.C. waters in 2012 and 2013 because those fish may have migrated close to Japan.

Burridge couldn't be reached for comment by press time.

So, it appears that the CANGOV is complicit in the worldwide Fukushima 24/7/365 radioactive contamination of all foodstuffs and now, all the fish in the sea.

Who is benefitting from this travesty?

Certainly not we, the people.


Meanwhile, Japan's seafood exports to Canada seem to be growing despite Fukushima and reports that the accident kneecapped the Japanese fishing industry.

Japan exported $6.9 million of fish and crustaceans to Canada in the first four months of 2012, according to Statistics Canada, which would work out to $20.7 million per year if averaged. That would be up from $16.3 million in 2011, which itself was higher than the 2010 total of $15.4 million.

Other nations are growing more leery of Japanese seafood. In June, South Korea temporarily banned the import of 35 Japanese seafood products—such as flatfish, clams, and sea urchins—due to radiation concerns, adding to a list of 29 other Japanese seafoods that the country had banned earlier.

It all leaves Vancouver doctor Frank bewildered by the government response here.

"It struck me as such a poor public-health decision not to monitor. This requires urgent action, but it just doesn't seem to register on anyone's radar," she said.

Frank is now writing a book about the struggle to get authorities to monitor fish after Fukushima.

She said she thinks of it as a murder mystery. "There are no bodies, but as a specialist in preventive medicine, I worry about increased mortality from the fish," she said.

Scientists now fear though that contaminated water is on course to America, and it could be more toxic than thought.

Researchers have released the findings of an intense study into the aftermath of last year's Fukushima nuclear disaster and warn that the United States isn't exactly spared just yet.


In fact, scientists now fear that within one year incredibly contaminated ocean waters will have spread over the entire western half of the North Pacific and in a matter of only five years, it is predicted to reach the US West Coast, and

the toxicity of those waves could eventually be worse than what was seen in Japan.


WTF?


After 10 years the concentrations become nearly homogeneous over the whole Pacific, with higher values in the east, extending along the North American coast with a maximum off Baja California.

The problem is, this prediction is based on only what has been released so far, but this is on-going, and

radioactive contamination
will continue indefinitely.

This does not account for the possibility of the collapse of spent fuel pool #4, or of any additional meltdowns of other reactors.


Check out this great video of the destroyed Fukushima reactors by our friend, Ms Milky:

And the threat to US national security - as well as the implications to the global economy a nuclear contamination multiple-times more devastating than Chernobyl poses to America - may have been the impetus for President Obama's rapid-fire signing of the Executive Orders of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) in January and the National Defense Resources Preparedness Act (NDRPA) in March 2012.

There was an actual letter that came from the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) telling physicians in California not to put people on potassium iodide (KI). 

And the only thing that you can surmise from that is they didn't want to panic people; they didn't want them to know how bad the situation is. 

But the problem is that the situation is ongoing. Those reactors are steaming constantly. . . They're dumping 100,000 tons of water daily on the reactors and spent fuel pools 24/7 and that water is going into the ocean.

Our storms are generated out of this huge radiation slick off the coast of Japan and this all gets rained out over the West Coast of Canada and the United States.


In addition, Fukushima's Unit 3 reactor also used MOX [mixed oxide], a plutonium-uranium fuel mixture that is horrific in its implications for the citizens of our beloved Mother Earth.

A single milligram of MOX
is 2 million times more deadly
than enriched uranium.

Any reasonable safety precautions or realistic evacuations never took place at Fukushima or elsewhere. In addition, a collection of 40-years worth of 600,000 spent fuel rods posed an immediate HazMat threat that never went away.

The water poured over them evaporated into radioactive steam to go directly into our planet's atmosphere and the tons of sea water sprayed on the entire nuclear conflagration were criminally dumped into the Pacific Ocean - and contaminated water is released to the Pacific Ocean 24/7/365 - as you read this.

Again, because it was not monitored, we will never know how many millions of tons of radioactive water were dumped into the Pacific Ocean.


The entire web of ocean life then was irreversibly contaminated with radioactive nuclear waste and detritus, as the ocean currents carried this nightmare to the West Coast shores of North America (California, Oregon, Washington, and Vancouver).


As with other major planetary bodies of water, the Pacific Ocean has become an enormous radioactive garbage dump of incalculable proportions that are beyond any remediation currently known to science.

From the great and magnificent whales to the variety of microscopic life, this entire vast ecosystem has been poisoned.

Yet, we will never know the immense extent of death and destruction that Fukushima caused to it. Even knowing that the ocean food chain is contaminated with radioactivity, this was not reported by mainstream media.


So, the fishing industry is catching and selling various fish and crustaceans that are radioactive, and has been doing so for over 9 months.   


How many tons of these have gone up through the entire food chain, and then sold to uninformed consumers who eat these HazMat foods?


It seems profits always trump the safety and well-being of we, the people.

While millions will develop various radiation-related illnesses (cancers and diabetes, as well as radiation-induced miscarriages, stillbirths and birth deformities) over the next decades, the coffers of the medical profession, pharmaceutical companies, and nuclear industry will be bursting with profits.

Medical reports are already showing a significant rise in deaths due to Fukushima's radioactive fallout. Infants are hardest hit because their tissues are rapidly multiplying, they have undeveloped immune systems, and the doses of radioisotopes are proportionally greater than for adults.

This massive and frightening crisis is the result of no precaution, no prevention, and no care or concern for human or any other kind of life on our planet. None of this is mainstream news. The dangers of the nuclear age continue to mount with off-the-scale disastrous results to all of us.

The Environmental Protection Agency suddenly stopped testing rainwater, soil and milk for contamination two weeks following the disaster.

But private tests conducted after the EPA stopped its testing, including ones performed by the University of California at Berkeley, in particular, reported in November 2011, that the levels of cesium in cow's milk are actually 150 percent higher than they were in April of 2011.


The EPA stopped testing because its reports would eventually become available to the public


through the inevitable Freedom of Information requests, as a possible reason for the EPA's withdrawal and the progressively worsening data it would need to conceal through time.

Most of the world community is still unaware of the extremely profound and far-reaching effects that the Fukushima nuclear disaster has had.

Infants in California were exposed to 40,000 becquerels of iodine 131—that causes thyroid cancer—from Mar. 17 to the beginning of April 2011. Forty million Japanese are in "extreme danger" of life-threatening radiation poisoning.

The northern hemisphere has been well nuked by Fukushima already but many are preparing for act two of the Fukushima drama - when and if building No. 4 goes down - lighting a nuclear fire that will burn through people's cells the world over.

If the people of all the nations of the world really understood the implications of the actual 'fallout' – past, present and future – the current nuclear energy paradigm would be systematically shut down and replaced with a mixture of safe, clean alternative energy - solar, wind, hydro, geothermal, biomass and 'new energy'.

That's why TPTB are so afraid of Earth Aid, the Concert to Save Planet Earth.     

When citizens of Planet Earth who desire a radiation-free future are united through the magic of music and become truly informed as to the challenges and solutions of nuclear power, they will speak in one voice: DENY NUCLEAR

However, the global mass-media apparatus continues to be instrumental in maintaining the 'deafening silence' on all things nuclear.

Meanwhile, the radioactive fires rage on, bringing 'hot particles', cancer and mutation to every corner of the globe.


The Fukushima nuclear disaster is one of the greatest industrial disasters of modern times – brought about by people who promised "safety," should have known better, and refused to listen to anyone with a differing opinion.


Record cesium level detected in Fukushima fish

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Tuesday it detected a record-high 25,800 becquerels per kilogram of radioactive cesium in fish sampled within 20 km of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant.

The figure is 258 times the level of cesium the government deems safe for consumption, indicating that radioactive contamination in the area remains serious more than a year after the nuclear crisis started.

According to the Fisheries Agency, the previous high for radioactivity density in fish was 18,700 becquerels per kilogram detected in cherry salmon.

Tepco said two greenlings caught Aug. 1 at a depth of 15 meters were used for the sampling. The Fisheries Agency also checked the fish and detected the same density level.

21 August 2012

USA Seafood Safety Testing

Radiation Limits/Potential
Radioisotope half-lives: Cesium-126 (1.64 minutes); Cesium-129 (1.336 days); Cesium-131 (9.69 days);
Cesium-132 (6.48 days); Cesium-133 (stable); Cesium-134 (2.065 years); Cesium-135 (2,300,000 years); Cesium-136 (13.16 days); Cesium-137 (30.2 years); Cesium-138 (32.2 minutes); Cesium-139 (9.3 minutes).

DECAY PATHWAY: Cesium-134, half-life 2.065 years, decays via beta(-) emission (27% ,88.6 keV maximum, 23.1 keV average energy; 70% ,668 keV maximum, 210 keV average energy) and gamma emission (abs intensities: 97.6% 605 keV; 85.5% 796 keV; 15.4% 569 keV) to barium-134, half-life stable

DECAY PATHWAY: Cesium-137, half-life 30.07 years, 5.6% decays via beta(-) emission (5.6%, 1176 keV maximum, 416.3 keV average energy) to barium-137, half-life stable; 94.4% decays via beta(-) emission (514 keV maximum, 174 keV average energy) to barium-137m, half-life 2.55 min, decays via isomeric transition (gamma emission, 661.6 keV) to barium-137, half-life stable

http://webwiser.nlm.nih.gov/getSubstanceData.do;jsessionid=1B2395F40B4CB...
http://www.fda.gov/newsevents/publichealthfocus/ucm247403.htm
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/NewsEvents/PublicHealthFocus/UCM290179.xls


Here's an example for skeptics.

The Japan Times reported on 12 March 2012, ONE FULL YEAR after the accident began, that radiation inside reactor building 2 was too high for robots and fatal to humans. That means is that if humans went into the building exposing themselves to radiation in the air for 7 minutes they would die within a month.

Now, ask yourself: where is that radiation coming from since TEPCO says they have "everything under control?"

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20120329a1.html


The level of complicity, duplicity, stupidity,
and lack of humility and human sympathy
boggles the mind.


         


Peace Love Light

tfw   

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[deuem]

Wow Thor, you do some really good workups, Glad to know you. Nothing gets by you.

I want to ask a silly Deuem question, I seem to never get a good answer for. What would happen if they really blew off a Nuke above the crippled plants. Would it make it worse or insinerate everything and have the problem go away. Nukes vs radiation leaks are different. Look at Japan, the US nuked 2 cities and they are back in business. No long term 10,000 year problems. I know the problem is spilling all over the world now, but if they did this would it stop the main reason, if so then they should have done it in the first few days. Is this a fight fire with fire option?

Have you ever heard of this option?  Deuem

[Pimander]

Radiation free environment?  Mobile cellphones are a source of radiation and so is your computer monitor.  We are sources of radiation too.  It is working out which sources of radiation are harmful that is the problem.

Should we remove sources of radiation that we know are harmful?  If so we need to remove overhead power lines from populated areas, the cellphone network, power from nuclear fission and much more.  That means SERIOUS changes....

[petrus4]

I'm personally pretty much over the entire concept of rights, to be brutally honest.  Apart from anything else, the concept has been enormously diluted and corroded in recent years by the Fabian/Frankfurt school Left, manifesting in terms of the feminist/gay movements, etc.  These movements are more or less entirely non-rational, and define a "right," as literally anything they want, at a given moment in time.  This is by design.

The other thing to understand about rights, is that basically what a right is, is an exception which is granted, in what is otherwise assumed to be an environment of complete tyranny.  In other words, if you have a list of rights, said list defines the least amount of benefit that you can expect to obtain, by being a party to the collective agreement which is bound by said rights.

I have always defined a right, as an extension of this, as being something which an individual must have in order to maintain a state of biological survival; in other words, something which, if it is removed from or denied to the individual, the individual will die, and therefore humanity will not be able to survive at all. 

It is provable that an individual human being will die, if exposed to radiation above a certain level.  In other words, if you still want to operate within a rights-based paradigm, then yes, an individual does have the right to be in an environment where radiation is kept at levels which are conducive to survival.

As opposed to a scenario where we have rights granted by a centralised, presumably psychopathic authority, what we really need is a scenario where authority is decentralised and completely non-hierarchical, and where we therefore no longer have a group of psychopaths, who have appointed themselves to decide, whether or not the rest of the population gets what it needs to survive.

[Pimander]

As opposed to a scenario where we have rights granted by a centralised, presumably psychopathic authority, what we really need is a scenario where authority is decentralised and completely non-hierarchical, and where we therefore no longer have a group of psychopaths, who have appointed themselves to decide, whether or not the rest of the population gets what it needs to survive.

I differ from you to an extent.  I agree that wherever possibly, control should be decentralised.  I do, however, favour a centralised body that organises infrastructure and stops things like a social or economic unit from going rogue (for example using radioactive power sources that kill everyone else).

For either of our scenarios to be possible requires either a smaller population or a much more educated and enlightened one.  Looks as though we might be in for  a long wait sadly.

I hate to say it but benevolent dictatorship is the best we can hope for right now.  Lets get to work on the future. 

[sky otter]

 

i have thought for a long time that the radiation (in it's many forms friendly and not) and the cancers, etc. that it causes are just beginning forms of our continuing evolution
to survive in
a universe we haven't gotten aquainted with yet..

i feel we are living thur a rapid pace of human evolution
looking at it in the smallest way and not seeing the whole picture or where we are even going

we may end up with no nose and three arms..or otherwise unrecognizable to now
but hey, just my crazy way of looking at it

not calling it good or bad.. it just is

[Fruitbat]

Citizens of earth only have the "rights" that they are interested to seize for themselves.

So whilst you do have a "right" to form sexual relationships that are (biologically speaking) meaningless and if we all took up those rights would lead to the eradication of human life, (when all the existing ones die and are not replaced by new ones), and this is a "right" that is discussed constantly in the media, you do not have a right to be protected or even warned properly from massive doses of ionising radiation.

Because when people like me for the last 30 years have been trying to educate the rest of us in the simple (And GOD, it is so damn simple) concept that nuclear power is a dumb idea, and you all ignored us, or at least were too apathetic to spread the message, or actually take action and protest, then effectively you waived all of ours, and our decendents for millenia's rights to a radiation free environment.

We could have all done more about this problem and still possibly could (although it seems a bit late now to my way of thinking) but really, to get any change at all, everyone who reads this thread would need to take no rest until they understand the issues enough to realise the gravity of the situation, and have then converted at least ten "normal" people, not into mere concerned citizens to to actual missionaries who will convert another ten etc.

Not going to happen. We'll survive Fukushima (probably) but the next one will be an even bigger release of radioactivity, until we eventually knacker ourselves and the ecology up. Becuse no one likes being too cold or too warm or too bored to actually seriously think about shutting the friging things down and consequently using less energy until we get something that IS sustainable and at an acceptable (IE zero) risk ecologically speaking!

(Sorry about the bad language, but I can't think of a better way of putting it).
SHUT THE frigING THINGS DOWN RIGHT NOW. ALL OF THEM. NOW. PLEASE).

Just as I am sure Mr Tepco would get mighty upset if I took a steaming dump in his living room whilst he and his family are eating dinner, I am mighty upset that his power plant has taken a radioactive steaming dump in the air which is now in my living room whilst I am trying to eat my dinner. UNlike my steaming dump which nature will render harmless and inoffensive in a few short days, his steaming dump will spread it's joy for eons.

ODDLY enough, it's my steaming dump that would galvanise society to take remedial action really quickly, I'd be in jail or a mental hospital, and Mr Tepco's family receiveing trauma counselling lickety split...

An oddly non-reciprocal arrangement, doncha think?

I've clearly been driven round the twist by irrational fear, and am reduced to running around in circles repeatedly shoutiing the (radioactive) sky is falling, so move along folks, nothing new to see here, but a mad person, complaining about non-existent dangers, that even if they were real couldn't affect YOU.


MADASA FRUITBAT esq. !

[sky otter]

fruitbat

while most here probably agree with you and may have personally protested a bit or not
you have to know
that the masses aren't looking up..they have to keep their noses to the old grindstone so they can watch mtv and have some new gadgets to keep up with the other nose to the grindstone folk and that is their only discussion
except
for maybe noticing the nutzo complaining about where their eletricity , that-they-couldn't-live-without comes from

if they are the meek (for not doing anything) and they will inherit the earth..
i guess they will be welcome to it
sad..ain't it

   

[robomont]

regarding the machine that turns nuclear waste into electricity.
sounds like a transformer with a hole in the middle for holding nuclear waste.
iron pot?
a thousand wraps of a single fine insulated wire?

[thorfourwinds]

regarding the machine that turns nuclear waste into electricity.
sounds like a transformer with a hole in the middle for holding nuclear waste.
iron pot?
a thousand wraps of a single fine insulated wire?

Greetings:

Microbes turn nuclear waste into electricity
Posted on September 7, 2011 - 03:10 by Kate Taylor




Researchers at Michigan State University have developed a new strain of a microbe which can efficiently clean up nuclear waste and other toxic metals while generating electricity.

Uranium contamination can be produced at any step in the production of nuclear fuel. And while it's been known for some time that Geobacter can immobilize uranium, the UM team has discovered that the secret to the decontamination process is nanowires - hair-like appendages found on the outside of Geobacters. It's been able to tailor the organism accordingly.

"Geobacter bacteria are tiny micro-organisms that can play a major role in cleaning up polluted sites around the world," says MSU microbiologist Gemma Reguera.

"Our findings clearly identify nanowires as being the primary catalyst for uranium reduction. They are essentially performing nature's version of electroplating with uranium, effectively immobilizing the radioactive material and preventing it from leaching into groundwater."

The nanowires also shield Geobacter and allow the bacteria to thrive in a toxic environment, she added.

In a test, researchers injected acetate into contaminated groundwater. Since this is Geobacter's favorite food, it stimulated the growth of the Geobacter community already in the soil, which in turn, worked to remove the uranium.

Reguera and her team of researchers were able to genetically engineer a Geobacter strain with enhanced nanowire production. The modified version improved the efficiency of the bacteria's ability to immobilize uranium proportionally to the number of nanowires, while subsequently improving its viability as a catalytic cell.

Reguera has filed patents to build on her research. It could lead to the development of microbial fuel cells capable of generating electricity while cleaning up after environmental disasters, she says.

[Amaterasu]

I say it's time to Geobacter the planet...

[Littleenki]

I say it's time to Geobacter the planet...

Indeed, I can digest that idea easily, Amy!

Le