A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"

[Linda Brown]

OR....he will feel that he is being nibbled to death by ducks... .

better to just continue with your conversations? He is not living with a bag over his head and I am sure is very aware of what is being said here. At some point the subject will call him over and  he will respond.

But the fact that you reached over to touch him on the elbow Amaterasu.... thats special.

Linda

[undo11]

I surely don't miss the hours and hours of "debunking" the "debunkers," over at You know where.  Don't miss that at all.  Here, if someOne disagrees, They have good reasons for Their view and a proper debate can ensue.  There it became to Monty Python routine:  "Yes it is!"  "No it isn't!"

a certain amount of debate is healthy though.  when we challenge each other's concepts, we hone and expand related knowledge.  if i hadn't debated the terra papers with you, i would not know what i do today about some aspects of the ancient past. 

[Linda Brown]

Standing up for what we have each said individually is really important. And there are cordial and gracious ways of saying almost anything.... its when the discord is more important than progress in understanding... thats when it make it so discouraging.

And I am always aware that the disruption is probably intentional and when you see that on a Forum that goes up in flames because of it.... you have to wonder just whose plan that was and why it was so successful.

The only time plans like that work is when people are not aware of them. I have a feeling that this crowd on the LivingMoon has already seen that kind of thing in action and are not about to let it happen here and that is a GREAT comfort. Most of you have alot of time and energy in sharing your thoughts here and all of that needs to be carefully protected and saved for future readers.

In my particular situation... I am just hoping that something I might happen to say someday will strike a chord with a particular person out there.... and he or she will think...." Wait.... I get it.....that makes sense.... all I have to do is.".... and they will launch off into their own particular creative endeavor and the spark will have successfully jumped from all of us and our efforts.... into the future!

Thats really what I am out to protect.... that single moment in time. As Dad told me once.... I am meant to be the moment between the chalk and the eraser.

I just hope that I am up to the task.  Linda

[Amaterasu]

a certain amount of debate is healthy though.  when we challenge each other's concepts, we hone and expand related knowledge.  if i hadn't debated the terra papers with you, i would not know what i do today about some aspects of the ancient past.

That was rather M'point.  [grin]

At Alpha, et al, it was a Monty Python routine often, while here the debates are good, with all parties willing to reexamine Their positions.  It was mainly the Spookz, I highly suspect, who created that.  (When One addresses a point and then three posts down the same claims are made as if One had NOT addressed it at all...  Yeah.)

[1Worldwatcher]

I couldn't agree more with you all in your opinion's and mindset's of what it means too be not only resourceful and inventive, but the cordiality that is required for so many people too become friends we have never met.
I can remember when Matayas and Zorgon had asked me too be apart of the team Pegasus, I have some aerospace and aircraft knowledge and mechanical engineering know how, but nothing in comparison of what you guy's bring too the table for such adventurous tasks as putting the science too work and actually using the mindset of nothing short of out standing unknown associates.
I had originally joined that otherr site around 2006, but , and with great pleasure ended up here with you all. I can remember there being, I believe, 12-13 people signed up by invitation, some of those are unfortunately not here right now, but with strong hopes, I hope they will one day return too our site.
Though I do like this website and layout, I will always remember the Yahoo groups days s the "Beginning of the beginning" of all this now.Everyone that is now here is very is absolutely the correct gathering for such high sighted, like minded individuals.
And as for the difference of perceptual thoughts or ideals, it seems too be all good, we cannot be wrong all of the time, but, as a gathering of the minds, we can find the right in these personal ideologies without worrying about trolls, or rude obnoxious people. Linda and the rest that have acknowledge these great characteristics know that we did meet for a reason, and that reason was too elevate our understanding of the possible and the practical between each other too help one another, with respect.
So, with that in mind, I dedicate this too all of us as the vangaards of pure science and understanding of the true meaning of "Team effort".
I have told Zorgon this before, and I will say it now, "Thank you so much for giving me a place where I know I have no problem hanging my hat."
This is for you guy's:

Go placidly amidst the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.
Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labours and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its shams, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.

by American writer Max Ehrmann (1872-1945).

I hope this poem finds its way too your heart and mind, ever since I had first read this poem, my perception's and understanding of the importance of human companionship has been changed forever, no matter who, what or what you bring too our table of existence.

[undo11]

unfortunately, what may start out as a query or disagreement on a subject, can end up being a whole lot more, sometimes rather quickly.   

no matter how gently or innocently you put a falsehood or claim to have a superior source of knowledge than someone else's, you must be willing to accept that people will question the veracity of the claim, not because they don't like what you're saying, necessarily, but because they want to know how and why you would arrive to a totally different or mostly different answer than they did, with the same data.  this is not unusual and is not meant as a criticism of the theorist, but rather confusion seeking clarification.

you must also be willing to accept that if the answer to the query is not satisfactory, there's a good chance, it will be asked again or the person may even lose interest.  i know when skeptics ask me why i believe there was a real stargate when it's just a tv show, they often don't accept my answers  and are rarely satisfied with any attempt i make to answer the questions to their satisfaction. 

expecting people to suddenly just give up years of research and replace it with your research is over simplifying the complexity of human thinking.  it just doesn't work that way unless what you've said is so overwhelmingly obvious, the best you can hope for is a very slow realization and even then, perhaps only to a small degree. 

[Amaterasu]

Just to add humor - every time I encounter Desiderata, I can't help thinking of NatLamp's Radio Dinner album, a formative force in My youth, and Deteriorata:


Introduction

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.....
Deteriorata! Deteriorata!

Go placidly
Amid the noise and waste.
And remember what comfort there may be
In owning a piece thereof.
Avoid quiet and passive persons
Unless you are in need of sleep.
Rotate your tires.

Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself
And heed well their advice,
Even though they be turkeys.
Know what to kiss.....and when!

Consider that two wrongs never make a right
But that THREE.........do.
Wherever possible, put people on hold.
Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment
And despite the changing fortunes of time,
There is always a big future in computer maintenance.

Chorus

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.

Remember the Pueblo.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.
Know yourself.
If you need help, call the FBI.
Exercise caution in your daily affairs,
Especially with those persons closest to you.
That lemon on your left, for instance.
Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls
Would scarcely get your feet wet.
Fall not in love therefore;
It will stick to your face.
Gracefully surrender the things of youth:
The birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan
And let not the sands of time
Get in your lunch.
Hire people with hooks.
For a good time call 606-4311;
Ask for "Ken."
Take heart amid the deepening gloom
That your dog is finally getting enough cheese.
And reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot
It could only be worse in Milwaukee.

Chorus

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.

Therefore, make peace with your god
Whatever you conceive him to be---
Hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.
With all its hopes, dreams, promises and urban renewal
The world continues to deteriorate.
GIVE UP!

Reprise

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.

Beth, surely each One of Us carries an ego, but My point was not that debate cannot become heated at times - it will - but that at that other site, I would have a response, say, of "That violates the laws of thermodynamics," to which I explain that the energy is there in the aether, and no violation is taking place.  This response will not be addressed in the next few posts by the same poster, and then that poster will chime in with, "That violates the laws of thermodynamics!"

I saw this pattern over and over.  On free energy and on 9/11, especially.  That is why I developed the habit of rolling My eyes and telling Them They were right.  In fact one poster was particularly prolific at this tactic and in honor of Him, I labeled My action "Bonchification."

So it was not a matter of questions being asked.  It was a matter of statements made, being addressed, the addressing of the statements being ignored, and then restating the selfsame things as if they had not been addressed.

[Linda Brown]

So it was not a matter of questions being asked.  It was a matter of statements made, being addressed, the addressing of the statements being ignored, and then restating the selfsame things as if they had not been addressed.

Oh! I see that you have met my husband then!

( Sorry sweetie )   Linda

[Amaterasu]

So it was not a matter of questions being asked.  It was a matter of statements made, being addressed, the addressing of the statements being ignored, and then restating the selfsame things as if they had not been addressed.

Oh! I see that you have met my husband then!

( Sorry sweetie )   Linda

Yup.  I got that tactic frequently.

LOL! re: Your husband!

[undo11]

Just to add humor - every time I encounter Desiderata, I can't help thinking of NatLamp's Radio Dinner album, a formative force in My youth, and Deteriorata:


Introduction

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.....
Deteriorata! Deteriorata!

Go placidly
Amid the noise and waste.
And remember what comfort there may be
In owning a piece thereof.
Avoid quiet and passive persons
Unless you are in need of sleep.
Rotate your tires.

Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself
And heed well their advice,
Even though they be turkeys.
Know what to kiss.....and when!

Consider that two wrongs never make a right
But that THREE.........do.
Wherever possible, put people on hold.
Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment
And despite the changing fortunes of time,
There is always a big future in computer maintenance.

Chorus

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.

Remember the Pueblo.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.
Know yourself.
If you need help, call the FBI.
Exercise caution in your daily affairs,
Especially with those persons closest to you.
That lemon on your left, for instance.
Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls
Would scarcely get your feet wet.
Fall not in love therefore;
It will stick to your face.
Gracefully surrender the things of youth:
The birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan
And let not the sands of time
Get in your lunch.
Hire people with hooks.
For a good time call 606-4311;
Ask for "Ken."
Take heart amid the deepening gloom
That your dog is finally getting enough cheese.
And reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot
It could only be worse in Milwaukee.

Chorus

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.

Therefore, make peace with your god
Whatever you conceive him to be---
Hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.
With all its hopes, dreams, promises and urban renewal
The world continues to deteriorate.
GIVE UP!

Reprise

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.

Beth, surely each One of Us carries an ego, but My point was not that debate cannot become heated at times - it will - but that at that other site, I would have a response, say, of "That violates the laws of thermodynamics," to which I explain that the energy is there in the aether, and no violation is taking place.  This response will not be addressed in the next few posts by the same poster, and then that poster will chime in with, "That violates the laws of thermodynamics!"

I saw this pattern over and over.  On free energy and on 9/11, especially.  That is why I developed the habit of rolling My eyes and telling Them They were right.  In fact one poster was particularly prolific at this tactic and in honor of Him, I labeled My action "Bonchification."

So it was not a matter of questions being asked.  It was a matter of statements made, being addressed, the addressing of the statements being ignored, and then restating the selfsame things as if they had not been addressed.

i liked both poems, the original and the lampoon version! 

bonch?   name seems vaguaely familar.

my previous comment here ( http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1192.msg12511#msg12511 ) was not aimed at anybody but everybody, including myself.

[Amaterasu]

Bonch...Oh...  A major "debunker" there.

[undo11]

Bonch...Oh...  A major "debunker" there.

Oh Bonch Oh.
hmm, think i may have encountered that person.  my first big debunker was a guy who called himself marduk.   as far as he was concerned, everything sumerian, akkadian, even stories from india, were all very mundane.  i was like, well how do explain enki building his city in the abyss?  lol (i was being tricky cause he hadn't as yet acknowledged that the abzu was the abyss and there was no way he would admit the abyss was on dry land, yet here he was claiming the abzu was just that part of sumer where enki built his temple city.   i said, well, if he built his temple city in the abyss, you might have some explaining to do. hehe  then i proved it by quoting the first assyriologist to decipher sumerian cuneiform-- samuel noah kramer, who translated one of  the texts to say just that: et.al, enki built the floating, flying temple city in the abyss and raised it up and floated it over the water like a lofty mountain (kinda paraphrased).

here's 2 excerpts from it:

   The lord of the abyss, the king Enki, Enki the Lord who decrees the fates, Built his house of silver and lapis lazuli; Its silver and lapis lazuli, like sparkling light, The father fashioned fittingly in the abyss.

    [...]

    Then Enki raises the city of Eridu from the abyss and makes it float over the water like a lofty mountain.

this was my artistic impression



he then tried to say it was a mundane boat. 
i said, a boat made of silver and gold?
oh yeah, that sounds like it would float on water.  the text doesn't say it was made of wood, at all. in fact, it says it was made entirely of silver, covered over in gold, with blue lapis lazuli decorations.  oh and its walls could give advice. it roared. it glowed so brightly it lit up the area.  sounds just like a boat to me (sarcasm required!). hehe  he had two options at that point: admit they had advanced boat tech or admit they had advanced flight tech.

[Amaterasu]

Ah yes, I remember Marduk.  Interesting moniker, that.  I had a run-in with Him, too, but Boncho was My main...adversary.

NICE pic, BTW!

[Linda Brown]

I am glad that I missed that exchange because surely I would have muddied the conversation up!

"i said, a boat made of silver and gold? 
oh yeah, that sounds like it would float on water.  the text doesn't say it was made of wood, at all. in fact, it says it was made entirely
of silver, covered over in gold, with blue lapis lazuli decorations.  oh and its walls could give advice. it roared. it glowed so brightly it lit up the area.  sounds just like a boat to me (sarcasm required!). hehe  he had two options at that point: admit they had advanced boat tech or admit they had advanced flight tech.

Ah.... so here I go.... a little late to the party, but what the heck.

Silver and lapis lazurli huh. Exactly the material that the ring given to me by my father was made out of. He handed it to me after I had seen a vision/dream actually come true... I was just twelve years old....had "seen " a specific black horse in my dream... down to the details of the saddle blanket colors and design... in my dream the black horse had a white fence behind it...  it was saddled... neighing and galloping with its reins flying loose. When I told Dad about that dream his only comment was that the " horse is looking for you Sweetie" Later that day the horse trader we had searching for a horse for me called my Mother and said he had located a mare we might be interested in.  We were to meet him at his farm after Dad got off of work at the lab in Winston Salem ( The Bahnson Lab).

It was dark when we met at his place and I had been so disappointed in earlier horse offers ( which Dad always turned down) that I didn't even bother going to the barn but waited by the corral.... when the mare was brought out I can remember grabbing my Dads arm as she approached.... a coal black mare with a saddle blanket of red, white and black stripes... identical to my dream... when she was led past us and into the corral ( white fenced) the gate hit her haunches and she reared back... broke away from the groom and took off running around and around in circles.... with her reings flying loose... she looked at me as she galloped... and neighed.... the horse broker thought that the deal had been ruined but my Dad simply turned to him and said..." I will take the mare... and I want the saddle and blanket too."

Funny little horse story but afterwards we went out for desert at a local restaurant and Dad presented me with the gift of a ring that he happened to have in his pocket. It was a very old ring... he told me that it was " ancient" ... made of silver and lapis lazurli.. he said that the ancients believed that they could talk through the dimensions of time with it and that it kept them safe. He gave it to me then to remember the special moment that night.... that was in 1958.

  Though the ring was a mans ring and did not fit me I wore it on a chain around my neck... or with it taped so that it would fit..... and finally gave it to a fellow someone else has called " Morgan" on a January morning in 1966.  He was embarrassed that he didn't have anything to give me in exchange... fished around in his jean pocket and pulled out a New York City transit coin. We were in love... we didn't know what our futures were going to bring. We thought that we might never see each other again....

http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/49963

Well... History is strange isn't it.

And now you talk of a ship made of lapis and silver and gold.... that " roars"..... and you have my immediate attention of course.

One of the traits of one of my Dads technologies is that it happens to " roar" and puts off an odd blue light.

So tell me more. You have my complete attention.  Linda

[undo11]

I am glad that I missed that exchange because surely I would have muddied the conversation up!

"i said, a boat made of silver and gold? 
oh yeah, that sounds like it would float on water.  the text doesn't say it was made of wood, at all. in fact, it says it was made entirely
of silver, covered over in gold, with blue lapis lazuli decorations.  oh and its walls could give advice. it roared. it glowed so brightly it lit up the area.  sounds just like a boat to me (sarcasm required!). hehe  he had two options at that point: admit they had advanced boat tech or admit they had advanced flight tech.

Ah.... so here I go.... a little late to the party, but what the heck.

Silver and lapis lazurli huh. Exactly the material that the ring given to me by my father was made out of. He handed it to me after I had seen a vision/dream actually come true... I was just twelve years old....had "seen " a specific black horse in my dream... down to the details of the saddle blanket colors and design... in my dream the black horse had a white fence behind it...  it was saddled... neighing and galloping with its reins flying loose. When I told Dad about that dream his only comment was that the " horse is looking for you Sweetie" Later that day the horse trader we had searching for a horse for me called my Mother and said he had located a mare we might be interested in.  We were to meet him at his farm after Dad got off of work at the lab in Winston Salem ( The Bahnson Lab).

It was dark when we met at his place and I had been so disappointed in earlier horse offers ( which Dad always turned down) that I didn't even bother going to the barn but waited by the corral.... when the mare was brought out I can remember grabbing my Dads arm as she approached.... a coal black mare with a saddle blanket of red, white and black stripes... identical to my dream... when she was led past us and into the corral ( white fenced) the gate hit her haunches and she reared back... broke away from the groom and took off running around and around in circles.... with her reings flying loose... she looked at me as she galloped... and neighed.... the horse broker thought that the deal had been ruined but my Dad simply turned to him and said..." I will take the mare... and I want the saddle and blanket too."

Funny little horse story but afterwards we went out for desert at a local restaurant and Dad presented me with the gift of a ring that he happened to have in his pocket. It was a very old ring... he told me that it was " ancient" ... made of silver and lapis lazurli.. he said that the ancients believed that they could talk through the dimensions of time with it and that it kept them safe. He gave it to me then to remember the special moment that night.... that was in 1958.

  Though the ring was a mans ring and did not fit me I wore it on a chain around my neck... or with it taped so that it would fit..... and finally gave it to a fellow someone else has called " Morgan" on a January morning in 1966.  He was embarrassed that he didn't have anything to give me in exchange... fished around in his jean pocket and pulled out a New York City transit coin. We were in love... we didn't know what our futures were going to bring. We thought that we might never see each other again....

http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/49963

Well... History is strange isn't it.

And now you talk of a ship made of lapis and silver and gold.... that " roars"..... and you have my immediate attention of course.

One of the traits of one of my Dads technologies is that it happens to " roar" and puts off an odd blue light.

So tell me more. You have my complete attention.  Linda

interesting story. 
well marduk assumed they were white people from the mountains of russia, who had sea going capability and that "heaven" was just a city on a mountaintop.  i asked him where he got that idea because holy mountains were often  ziggurats or pyramids.  and if there were such a place named heaven on top of a ziggurat or pyramid, it might just be a single portal locale such as the temple at the top of the etemenanki.   that wasn't the answer he wanted.  lol

regarding the metals of enki's temple city, which was called many things including E.ABZU and E.NUN (yes that's like the egyptian "nun" but not the catholic "nun")., i can even cite you the exact quotes and link you to the exact sumerian texts, if you'd like.

they have an equivalent in the story of the appearance of RA, in the LEGEND OF THE DESTRUCTION OF MANKIND.  the people were murmuring saying RA's skin was like gold, his bones like silver and his hair like lapis lazuli.  i thought waiiiit a minute, this sounds like an exact description of enki's e.abzu.  silver inside, gold outside, lapis lazuli decorations. i wonder if they deified an abzu gate in egypt (this was before i realized nimrod had potentially taken a gate to egypt from akkad, when his attempt to reopen the babel abzu had met with great displeasure and resulted in that gate being turned back off and eventually buried under piles of rubble.). 

remember there were people sized and ship sized abzus.  the people sized ones, were in the structures on land, typically subterranean and under temples. the ship sized ones were under water, typically in large bodies of water, although i did find an odd reference to one in an incan text, on the bottom of lake titicaca.

furthermore, Enki was known by this time as EA.  i wondered if perhaps RA was EA or rather RA was EA's gate, deified. but it would have to be a specific one because RA had the biggest and most powerful "EYE" on the planet.  the big abzu enki arrived here from, the abyss on the floor of the persian gulf, was potentially known as RA's EYE.

so now you can add to the rest of your theory that the gate is somehow associated with silver and lapis lazuli (and gold) as well.