A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

There is a point to caution, but there comes a time for action before one reaches stagnation.
If certain people throughout history did not take risks we would not have much of what we have accomplished.

I see people all the time blaming the Aliens, the PTB, the Illuminati, the Masons, whoever or what ever the flavor of the day is. Yet at the same time few of those who blame others will have the guts to stand up and take the risks for the good of the many.

Yes, Ron, absolutely. I see the problems a bit more clearly now. Amy is looking too far into the future. Sorry my dear, but it's true, you are seeing way ahead of actual events, or events that will unfold soon.
You can't help it, and i want you to stay that way, ok? You are one of the rare people who sees it as it should be and some may call it wishful thinking, but it is the right way of thinking.

Of course, there will be a transition period, and ET may or may not turn up to help us at this time.Let's just say i for one won't be counting on it.
I mean, if we can't even get off this mudball without first destroying it or ourselves, or both, we deserve no help at all.
There will be hardship, strife etc, and of course natural disasters, which seem to be more frequent these days?

So let's prepare for the worst, hope for the best, and solve some of the mysteries present on thelivingmoon.
We can, we have the info, the expertise, the intelligence.
Let's just do it

And please don't use BANG and zero-point in the same sentence, i still get a little uncomfortable from my 3rd ZPE experiment...LOL

Dave:
I understand what you are saying, re; lifters, but do you remember my comment about time forwarding electrons?
If you witness this effect, then you are reaching dangerous/very interesting levels, IMO

Yes, i still think we will be taking risks with this tech, and therefore all the greater need for communication, & being honest, and i think the risk is justified, to a certain extent.
I am not happy when they fire up the LHC when they don't really understand it. But i have also stated that anyone working on this is fully aware of the risks. It's a tough call to make sometimes......
See ya all later, i have coils to wind.....

[Linda Brown]

PWM...

You said "Of course, there will be a transition period, and ET may or may not turn up to help us at this time.Let's just say i for one won't be counting on it.

Orrrrr..... ET is here.... has been here for a long time.
Thats what John believes apparently. It could very well be that he is right.... and maybe was even right when he said that it was because of the work of Townsend Brown that they are here...... I know that he does not remember saying that... that point is relatively moot.... other people have said that too..... sooo

And I notice that you are beginning to explore the idea of the FTM....with Mikado.... which I am sure might turn into an interesting discussion..... and I am sure that he is JUST as interested in hearing from you.

You don't think that he has hung on for all of these years without being as serious as I am about it .... right.?... so this is no school yard competition.... and maybe it might take awhile for others to grasp the seriousness of it.

My point is..... If a portal was opened by scientists using my Dads technology..... when do you think that happened? Or maybe even more important to ask..... When do you think it WILL happen. Because you see..... with time travel.... once that all starts. Nothing is the reality that you believed before.

Ask your prospective associate in all of this (if you get the chance )if he believes that the FTM has been built yet. Not sure what he will tell you but I think that he will probably say "NO."..... and I would too.

What does that mean LUKE?

Thats an awfully big ball to be up in the air at the moment..... wouldn't you say?

Linda

[Littleenki]

I see what youre saying, Luke as the requirement of super hv keeps me out of the ballpark!
I do think time forwarding electrons is a good theory, or even fact, and do you think electrons are more than meets the eye, like I do?

And Russell may have been on to something years ago when he proposed there are no negative particles, just discharging and charging ones, so superluminal speed would be a profound possibility for any device using milions of volts, as the electrons couldnt get back fast enough to their deparure point, and became backed up, dilating the perceived time field.

Lots to think about, and maybe I need a climb up that hill you conquered!
With a sherpa, of course!

Cheers!
Le

[The Seeker]

Linda, I believe it is a certainty that off-worlders are here, have been for some time; Ingo Swann's account should be enough to at least make most folk wonder... but then again, the majority would have trouble believing it if they had a craft land in their yard unless it ate their cat and raided the refrigerator...


seeker

[A51Watcher]

Linda, I believe it is a certainty that off-worlders are here, have been for some time; Ingo Swann's account should be enough to at least make most folk wonder... but then again, the majority would have trouble believing it if they had a craft land in their yard unless it ate their cat and raided the refrigerator...


seeker

Even then they would demand some ID! 

[Linda Brown]

Linda, I believe it is a certainty that off-worlders are here, have been for some time; Ingo Swann's account should be enough to at least make most folk wonder... but then again, the majority would have trouble believing it if they had a craft land in their yard unless it ate their cat and raided the refrigerator...seeker

Yes, I agree with you. So if we are following the line that has been down for a long time then John Lear was right when he said that they were here.... and at one time he thought that they were here because of my Dad ( whether he remembers or not, people will have to decide )..... others have consistantly tried to link my Dad to that event from William Moore in the Philadelphia Experiment .... to John and I believe that there were other accounts too . I haven't bothered to keep up with them. The idea that might have happened through the mistake that my Dad may have made..... or men around him .... using his technology may have made...that still is not something that I can bear..

.... If DAD KNEW that was going to happen what could he do to stop it?

I have been thinking about that for a long long time. And I finally have figured out what Dad planned . Its the only way that he could change the future that was at one time set by that first encounter. That Mistake has to be corrected. The Time kaliedescope has to be nudged.... probably more than once.... Definitely a brewthat has been cooking for years....

But Like somebody else said. Its not soup yet.  Linda

[Amaterasu]

Yes, Ron, absolutely. I see the problems a bit more clearly now. Amy is looking too far into the future. Sorry my dear, but it's true, you are seeing way ahead of actual events, or events that will unfold soon.
You can't help it, and i want you to stay that way, ok? You are one of the rare people who sees it as it should be and some may call it wishful thinking, but it is the right way of thinking.

Of course, there will be a transition period, and ET may or may not turn up to help us at this time.Let's just say i for one won't be counting on it.
I mean, if we can't even get off this mudball without first destroying it or ourselves, or both, we deserve no help at all.

Not as far in the future as You might think.  Once FE is released to ALL, I give it 5-10 years for money to be a thing of the past.  Of course...  If it takes 500 years to be released...  (NOT!)

And the reason We are destroying this "mudball" has EVERYTHING to do with...  Yep.  MONEY.  If We can eliminate the NEED for it, We will be motivated to go for BEST solutions and not the most profitable or cheapest (like paying fines over cleaning up pollution...).  If We govern stigmergicly, as opposed to having a controlMIND...er...governMENT, We will have no one set of People "in charge."

Seriously, You may think it will be a long time, but consider:  if awareness of My essay reaches the tipping point, We will be motivated to spend MONEY to make it happen.  After all, the MONEY spent will be moot in the end.  And We will, most of Us, put Out efforts conjoined into making it so.  And what keeps projects and such from leaping forth at breakneck speed now?  MONEY.

IF We can get this to the tipping point.

[Pimander]

So many of us here are the type that don't mind the risks

Yes. I have been dealing with those types. Can't say I am too impressed....because it is normally ego driven with no consideration for the others that their actions will affect.

Rubbish.  They are the ones with the guts to make the big decisions.  This is in contrast to the ones who cling to the present state of affairs out of fear.

He didn't mind the risks. He wasn't the one paying the price.

A novel propulsion system with the potential to free the masses from energy dependence, will have its winners and losers.  The economy will SHRINK!  I will write more on this later but it will be bad for the very wealthy.  Tough luck!  The many matter more.

You cannot have massive change without someone paying the price.  Only the greater good is what matters.

Yes, to make it as painless as possible is a noble aim.  However, that should never be at the expense of a brighter future for the majority.  AND I DO NOT JUST MEAN THE MAJORITY OF BRITISH, US, CANADIAN CITIZENS.  The English speaking western democracies are not the only consideration which is why sometimes defending the national interest is in conflict with progress.

Now I know that might conflict with a few oaths or how so many of you think.  Tough!

[Linda Brown]

Said with all respect.... but some of us have seen this sentiment before and it did not end well for a great number of people!

:You cannot have massive change without someone paying the price.  Only the greater good is what matters.

Rubbish squared!

The greater good maybe?..... handing over the future safety of the entire planet to a bunch of scientific yahoos that don't even understand what they are dealing with is not looking out for the greater good, It is shallow and egotistical. Some would throw the switch...... NOMATTER WHAT.....just to prove to themselves  that they could do it.

I KNOW Pimander that we are actually ageeing with each other here. I just would rather err on the side of caution than see us get into a situation that we did not see coming,  Linda

[Pimander]

The greater good maybe?..... handing over the future safety of the entire planet to a bunch of scientific yahoos that don't even understand what they are dealing with is not looking out for the greater good, It is shallow and egotistical. Some would throw the switch...... NOMATTER WHAT.....just to prove to themselves  that they could do it.

Scientists will not be the ones making the decisions.  They will be the ones trying (and possibly in a few cases capable of being able)  to understand what we are dealing with.

Yes some are idiots (RE: switch throwers), hence the need for some caution.  However, I firmly believe that private and national interest have reigned for too long.

[zorgon]

Edward Leedskalnin had a secret that could have benefited the whole world

He took it to his grave, albeit left us cryptic clues that no ones has yet replicated

I see no gain for the good of the many

[hobbit]

Rubbish.  They are the ones with the guts to make the big decisions.  This is in contrast to the ones who cling to the present state of affairs out of fear.

A novel propulsion system with the potential to free the masses from energy dependence, will have its winners and losers.  The economy will SHRINK!  I will write more on this later but it will be bad for the very wealthy.  Tough luck!  The many matter more.

You cannot have massive change without someone paying the price.  Only the greater good is what matters.

Yes, to make it as painless as possible is a noble aim.  However, that should never be at the expense of a brighter future for the majority.  AND I DO NOT JUST MEAN THE MAJORITY OF BRITISH, US, CANADIAN CITIZENS.  The English speaking western democracies are not the only consideration which is why sometimes defending the national interest is in conflict with progress.

Now I know that might conflict with a few oaths or how so many of you think.  Tough!

Oaths, secrets, pensions, compartmentalisation....all great ways to maintain the status quo.
BUT, perhaps not merely for the greed of a few???

We have come from a horse and cart to jet planes rather quickly???
To take the next step may need restrainst, a pull back on the harness as such.

Nothing is free, so this free energy thinking is deluded, especially if that energy is suddenly been taken from others that live by that supply???

We take as though We are the rightfull top of the pile as such, what happens if We suddenly realise We are well down the pecking order, such as a spring lamb is to ourselves presently.
We TAKE the lamb and kill it, skin it, disect it, carve it up and heat it up, then devour it....adding some mint sauce from a mint plant that we have also murdered.

If You suddenly jumped into a sea full of starving sharks, it may be well advised to be able to swim faster than they can first???
Otherwise they will treat You as the lamb, perhaps adding a lttle bit of seaweed  to taste better?
hobbit

[Linda Brown]

Thankyou Hobbit for this

"Nothing is free, so this free energy thinking is deluded, especially if that energy is suddenly been taken from others that live by that supply???

Do people honestly think that dipping into another dimension could be as simple as siphoning fuel from this magic tank.... we dont have it here on this side so we will just.... draw it from the other.

Think just one moment how we might react if energy draws started happening all over our planet! We probably have had that happen to us but we just didn't recognize it much less do anything about it....

But what it the guy on the otherside objected and had the wherewithall to do something about it.
Interesting scenario huh?

I know they wouldn't be like this but my mind wants to show what one hundred tornados would look like out in the Kansas countryside.  Linda

[Pimander]

It doesn't have to be free to be useful or more efficient.

Energy is already drawn from this side.

[Littleenki]

Edward Leedskalnin had a secret that could have benefited the whole world

He took it to his grave, albeit left us cryptic clues that no ones has yet replicated

I see no gain for the good of the many

Indeed, Zorgon, and so many seem to idolize Ed, but dont realize he might have been one of our last hopes for furthering that field of science. Even if his morals and ethics told him he should "take it to the grave" it should have been his duty to write it down somehwere, eh?

Maybe he has written it down, as the pre Egyptians did,(Hermetically) and maybe we need to step back and look at coral castle for what it is other than a tourist attraction.

I think the clues are there for the right mind, and he probably thought it would take fifty or so years for us to figure it out.

He also may have felt we werent ready for it back when he built it, though, so hence the cryptic nature of it.

Im going there in August, so Ill take some pics if I find anything odd which isnt in the usual books and videos. Who knows, maybe he laid it out for someone like me to find?

Nah, Im just a commoner with a camera!

Littleenki