A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"

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Amaterasu

#300
June 28, 2012, 06:40:13 PM
Until We remove profit motive, those already enriched through profit will NOT let information flow to allow any change - that is why They're avidly going after the interweb.  Let Us hope that the genie is out of the bottle and cannot be put back in.  Somehow, though, with mass media still spewing what They want Us to believe - even on the web - They may have that genie under control still.
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

PLAYSWITHMACHINES

#301
June 28, 2012, 08:22:43 PM
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 28, 2012, 05:27:15 PM
It's not so much that We need to "evolve emotionally" as We need to remove profit motive.  Virtually all evil is driven by money/power in an energy-scarce society.  In energy abundance, there is no money or power over Others to be had; ergo, no motive for evil.

Yes, Amy i agree, and it might happen sooner than we think.
I'll let you in on a big secret, the money's almost gone ::)
Once the money system fails, it will be back to gold nuggets, copper pennies & good old fashioned swap trading that will have to tide us over.

At the same time, the one thing we need the most--energy--is becoming more expensive, and most sources will fail sooner or later.
Sooner, because without money, there will be no-one to run those power stations, maintain the net etc etc.

Again, we need alternatives that work, and can be used now.
There's plenty to choose from, until we can get something better fired up....(not literally i hope) :-\
The genie is well out of the bottle & is currently soaring over the Atlantic...LOL

Amaterasu

#302
June 28, 2012, 08:40:10 PM Last Edit: June 28, 2012, 08:41:41 PM by Amaterasu
When I use the term "money," perhaps I should use the words "value exchange."  Yes, the form of value exchange We are presently using is becoming worthless and "gone."  No, money in the sense of value exchange is not.

So...  Let Me rephrase.

It's not so much that We need to "evolve emotionally" as We need to remove profit motive.  Virtually all evil is driven by (value exchange)/power in an energy-scarce society.  In energy abundance, there is no (value exchange) or power over Others to be had; ergo, no motive for evil.

As long as We need to exchange value to account for meaningful energy expended - i.e., We live in an energy-scarce society - Some will have power over Others.  Some will control Others, therefore.  (S/He who has the (value exchange) goods, makes the rules.)  When We ALL have energy freely available, and robots to do any necessary work no One or not enough People WANT to do, there will be no need to use (value exchange).
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

PLAYSWITHMACHINES

#303
June 28, 2012, 08:58:43 PM Last Edit: June 28, 2012, 09:00:23 PM by PLAYSWITHMACHINES
Yes, i agree with all of that.
But (and there's always one lurking around somewhere) the energy abundance has to come about real soon, or it's going to play out as you stated. There will HAVE to be an interim, where basic precious metals are traded. It will be like the old system of paying someone for their energy in doing work, with wich they can feed themselves to get the energy to, uh, work...
Sounds cruel, but that's exactly what we are doing now.

The goals are twofold,

1 Educate people about the money/energy issue, let them see there's a way out.

2 The way out, is free energy. I'm talking windmills, solar, ZPE, HHO, Biofuel, you name it.

The energy/gravity problem is a shared one.
Crack one & you have the other IMO and we have to get something done soon, while we still have power for our soldering irons :o
After that, we will be back in the stone age, where power Mosfet's are hard to come by. That's my biggest problem.
But i will remain optimistic, there's plenty of people doing this kind of thing.
Some of them are bound to get it, (and if you are one of the lucky few, don't forget to tell the rest of us!)

PS my remark about emotional evolving has more to do with learning to handle the god-like powers we could unleash in the future  :D

Amaterasu

#304
June 28, 2012, 09:09:00 PM
Yes.  It DOES have to happen soon.  That is why I am on Twitter (I hate Twitter, but it IS a good tool).  That is why I have blogged all over the web.  That is why I have posted in a zillion forums.  That is why I beg others to take My message out and spread it too.

IF the tipping point is reached soon enough, We can change the world for the better.

As for the "godlike powers" - no one Person will have the power to go it alone, and with stigmergic governANCE via the web, open source and all that, those who care will be involved in the choices We make in any large group.  And without the profit motive blinding Us to BEST choices, We will choose wisely.

"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

PLAYSWITHMACHINES

#305
June 28, 2012, 09:12:14 PM
I would like to think so, but the cynical part of me says we need another 100 years at least.....
We do what we can, it's better than doing nothing, right?

Amaterasu

#306
June 28, 2012, 09:20:17 PM
If every One who touches the ideas, who incorporates the awareness, passes it on to two others...  We could reach the tipping point in a month...

Of course, MOST of the People who gain awareness do nothing with it.  Sad but true.

Still, I plug on, because, as You say, it's better than doing nothing - and there's a chance it will take hold.
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

PLAYSWITHMACHINES

#307
June 28, 2012, 09:30:29 PM
There's always a chance, no matter how small....

'Awareness' is growing at an exponential rate, it seems.

As long as we still have internet (or any form of communication) then we will continue to talk with each other & eventually figure out the answers.

There are so many smart people out there, and they will 'gravitate' to sites like this one ;D

Amaterasu

#308
June 28, 2012, 10:08:49 PM
Ya know...  I have even given People permission to take My work and call it Their own, just as long as the ideas spread.  And some days it looks like they are, and other days I skirt despair.  But I will NOT give up.
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

hobbit

#309
June 28, 2012, 10:24:52 PM
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 28, 2012, 10:08:49 PM
Ya know...  I have even given People permission to take My work and call it Their own, just as long as the ideas spread.  And some days it looks like they are, and other days I skirt despair.  But I will NOT give up.

And there will be many stood alongside of You, who also won't......

hobbit

Amaterasu

#310
June 28, 2012, 10:46:50 PM
Thank You, hobbity.  I will watch the vid before I turn in so I can reboot when I'm not using My computer.  But I imagine I can guess the content.  And I so appreciate the boost!
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

Linda Brown

#311
July 07, 2012, 12:52:33 AM
Please bear with me.... or join me if you wish.... I have decided to go very slowly reading through this particular thread to see where it might  have started .... this.... strange dissention that we all are talking about now. I believe that its face will be revealed here if we study the way different members reacted to the flow of conversation.

I have gotten past page for so far and everyone is really doing well.... wonderful thoughts being exchanged... no problems..... I will get back as I start hitting bumps. Anyone want to join me. I just want to see when the souring started here..... If we recognize it here.... we can stop it in its tracks if it begins again.

Linda

PLAYSWITHMACHINES

#312
July 07, 2012, 02:43:42 PM
Well, the OP is bound to create a bit of a stir, and we covered all the aspects of 'dangerous' from accidentally destroying the planet to MIB scenario's, psy-ops, etc.
Dissent? With the opening statement?
Not from me, at least 8)

Of course it's dangerous, when man first discovered fire, it must have been dangerous also. It still is......

Linda Brown

#313
July 07, 2012, 06:44:22 PM
I am not investigating the opening statement PWM because like you.... I feel that OF Course this is a dangerous thing that needs to be regarded and treated carefully.

What I am more interested in is seeing how each of the members here responded to each other and when the " Mikado Effect" started being noticed....because as you might recall I believe it was in this thread that it heated up past salvation.....Captain Dave punched out and soon after that so did Matrix.... after sending off some very irate PMs that really didn't make too much sense. I still believe that he was " encourage" by some other force to go in that direction....

Just want to see how it began to manifest itself. As I said if you reread the thread.... I have only gotten to page five I think and everyone is getting along really well.....

As soon as I have the time I hope to get back to it.

Linda

PLAYSWITHMACHINES

#314
July 08, 2012, 12:01:34 AM Last Edit: July 08, 2012, 12:03:42 AM by PLAYSWITHMACHINES
You go ahead, Linda :D

I have a very good memory, so i normally only read these threads once.
And i'm sorry to say it, but i am enjoying Mikado's presence here, you are entitled to your opinion, but I for one am enjoying it immensely...

Yes, i've seen this deterioation happen on other forums also, and it's sad. It's a lack of self control imo.

Maybe it's time we took a step back, pretend we are all new here, & start again...
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