A Reason I Received Why Electrogravitics is "Dangerous"

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Ah, that's just the trick isn't it?

We are trying to prove the theory here, either by logic, math, or a physical working model based on the theory.

SQK is very complex & has a lot in common with at least 5 other theories.
Proving any one of the 5 will also prove SQK (in part).

Burkhard Heim, for example....

[Pimander]

i said about detailization: the same object can be described with different accuracy.

Detailization! LOL.  That sounds like one of those Americanisations your Presidents use to me.  Not actually a word but sounds clever. 

[Mikado]

This thread was about EG and it's dangers as started by Amaterasu.


"You are correct about that because it vents energy from another dimension and appears to create energy."

I do not agree with this - "vents energy". EG is the polar opposite of EM. Both have an "Electrical" component. The variable is "Magnetic" in one and "Gravitic" in another. The statement would be correct if EM vented energy from another dimension.

"The fact that it produces a dimensionless thrust means that it produces its thrust regardless of its inertial frame of reference. "

I agree with this statement. Regardless of the orientation of a Gravitor, it will create a displacement in the aether regardless of any local displacement.

"This appears to violate the conservation of energy and mass law. This law is of course in error because we can plainly see that the universe is full of energy and matter and existence implies creation."

Not too sure about violating the "Law of the Conservation of Energy". I will reserve any comment for it is too conclusive to based upon only what it "appears".

"It should also be pointed out that it is impossible to prove the non-happening of an event, therefore this law is not a law at all but rather a statement of what the writer of it was unable to do for lack of knowledge and simply assumed everyone else was always going to be just as ignorant. "

Not to sure what is being referenced

"It was discovered by accident in 1929 and pigeon-holed because they didn't want to rewrite the physical laws and appear stupid. There have been many forms of it over the decades but it remains a sensitive subject because this technology can accellerate an object to speeds near the speed of light as well as spin a generator shaft. "

AS to accelerating towards the speed of light, it is assumptive at this time. As to spinning a generator, absolutely for if EM can do it, EG should do it just as easily.

"The generator application has dire economic as well as other consequences, ...<snip>"

Perhaps. Electricity along with light bulbs sure did put a hurting on the Whale oil industry. And the list would go on. Any change would take time.

"...<snip>...but the collision of an object travelling at near light spead with our moon, (which by the way would eventually be inevitable) would create an energy density at the collision site about equal to the energy density near a black hole.

Such an energetic event would unravell the bonds that hold matter together and would result in a shower of both particles and their anti particles.

The resultant malestrom of destruction would self-propagate through the moon at roughly 1/2 the speed of light and convert the entire mass of the moon into gamma radiation in what is in essence a Hypernova explosion.

Within 1.5 seconds the entire Earth would be exposed to a blast of radiation similar to you holding a beach ball-sized nuclear bomb at arms length over the entire surface.

Most of the other planets would also be destroyed and the outer shell of the Sun would be stripped away exposing its 20 million degree core.

Is this reason enough?"

Not too sure how any of this ties in with EG unless of course it would be applied to a spacecraft and the pilot fell asleep but then they could just as easily impact the Earth as well. We saw what two airplanes could do to two towers but airplanes are still flying.



Mikado

[Linda Brown]

It was discovered by accident in 1929 and pigeon-holed because they didn't want to rewrite the physical laws and appear stupid

Mikado. I am surprised that you left that comment stand without commenting.

I have always wondered how anyone could use that particular phrase. How can you " rewrite physical laws" and be stupid....

Linda

[Mikado]

It was discovered by accident in 1929 and pigeon-holed because they didn't want to rewrite the physical laws and appear stupid

Mikado. I am surprised that you left that comment stand without commenting.

I have always wondered how anyone could use that particular phrase. How can you " rewrite physical laws" and be stupid....

Linda

I left it alone for obvious reasons - it would have involved mentioning your Father which would have been the reason for you to interject.

I was wrong.

Mikado

[Pimander]

This thread was about EG and it's dangers as started by Amaterasu.

I'll decide whether any digression after 27 pages of a thread is reasonable.

"This appears to violate the conservation of energy and mass law. This law is of course in error because we can plainly see that the universe is full of energy and matter and existence implies creation."

Not too sure about violating the "Law of the Conservation of Energy". I will reserve any comment for it is too conclusive to based upon only what it "appears".

Basically if energy from a novel propulsion system (or whatever phenomenon) involves energy from another dimension then it only breaks a law of conservation of energy if you DO NOT include said dimension as part of this universe. 

I think if there are multiple dimensions/parallel universes then they are part of the universe.

The key to many of the mysteries of conventional and esoteric science lies in inter-dimensionality.  Of course using it could be dangerous, but so can driving a motor car and we still do it.  What we should be doing really is assessing HOW DANGEROUS this type of technology potentially is.

If the USS Eldridge is anything to go by, perhaps it is VERY dangerous.  Will this stop humans using it?  Did it stop them using nuclear weapons or power?  No Nobel Prize to the genius who works out the answer to this one.  That would be me of course. 

[Pimander]

It was discovered by accident in 1929 and pigeon-holed because they didn't want to rewrite the physical laws and appear stupid

Mikado. I am surprised that you left that comment stand without commenting.

I have always wondered how anyone could use that particular phrase. How can you " rewrite physical laws" and be stupid....

Linda

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[Mikado]

I'll decide whether any digression after 27 pages of a thread is reasonable.

I apologize. I was only trying to direct what my post was responding to and not to make any criticisms or critical statements about 27 pages.

Again, sorry for whatever it is I did. I seem to be doing so many things wrong on this forum.

Mikado

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Thank you Pimander!

Basically if energy from a novel propulsion system (or whatever phenomenon) involves energy from another dimension then it only breaks a law of conservation of energy if you DO NOT include said dimension as part of this universe.

The key to many of the mysteries of conventional and esoteric science lies in inter-dimensionality.  Of course using it could be dangerous, but so can driving a motor care and we still do it.  What we should be doing really is assessing HOW DANGEROUS this type of technology potentially is.

As to that part about the black-hole collisions etc, well my reply is in there somewhere at the beginning LOL

Lets get back to 'anomalies that would suggest this tech is physically dangerous' and the evidence for it......like my remark about time-forwarding electrons which everyone seems to have missed?

[Linda Brown]

Yes... important.

Morgan said that there was a "price to pay" for the use of advanced technology linked to my Dads work. I think I am beginning to understand what he meant but I need to know what you all see too...

Lets get back to 'anomalies that would suggest this tech is physically dangerous' and the evidence for it......like my remark about time-forwarding electrons which everyone seems to have missed?.

YES... can we talk about that some more?   Linda

[Pimander]

PWM.  Sorry to ask and be a pain in the rump but....

Would you mind re-posting your key remarks regarding the dangers so the discussion can continue minus the mind numbing background noise?

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Fine

I mentioned that i read some stories to do with large lifter experiments.

It has been mentioned that after prolonged periods of use, sparks started appearing in the areas where the liters were being tested, some hours or even days after the lifter had been deactivated

(it is unclear at this time if the lifters were physically removed from the room at that point)
I have even devised a simple experiment to determine if this is true, let me see, got a diagram somewhere...

Here it is....

(edit) sorry i posted befor that last one, Pim, do you mean my remark on the original doom scenario? I thought that was mostly B.S.)

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

P.S.
Notice the clocks on the wall these should ideally be digital, counting at least 1/100 second intervals, up to 100's of hours...

Not only to time the exact arrival of the spark, but also to see if the clock keeps time with the other one mounted outside the cage...

Neon sensors will pick up the accumulating charge, & they could serve to trigger the cameras.

[Littleenki]

Great setup, Luke, seen it before, but its always a good refresher!

May I suggest adding a couple of ports for a frequency analyser, and a possible spectrum analyser as well for any non visible light anomalies?

A freq analyser will sense any sound disturbances, and pinpoint their occurence on a graph.

A camera is good, but a spec analyser will give the best observation results for any superluminal or non visible anomalies.

Something is going on there, which hasnt been pinpointed yet, and when it is, it may well be dangerous, but only in the hands of the warmakers.

Cheers!

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Thanks Dave,
Yes, it would be great to add instruments all over it to measure just about everything LOL!

Non-visible light sources is a most interesting line, as regards UFO sightings.
Many have reasoned that EG or AG tech would have optical side effects.
Being invisible is one of them....

Which begs the question; Do we have 'predator' type invisible aliens running round in the jungle?
And do we have someone like Arnie Schwanzenlekker out there fighting them?