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Electrogravitics – A Simplified Description

Started by Amaterasu, May 13, 2012, 11:56:50 PM

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Amaterasu

Take vids AND stills!  Looking forward to what You get, Dave!
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

Littleenki

Quote from: Amaterasu on June 24, 2012, 09:24:59 PM
Take vids AND stills!  Looking forward to what You get, Dave!
Will do, Amy, into the Hobbit house, although its got a moat today!LOL!
"tiptoe through the tidal flats...with meeee!"
Ok back to work!
Le:D
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Amaterasu

"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

Littleenki

Quote from: Amaterasu on June 24, 2012, 11:03:29 PM
LOL!  Yeah, hope You're keeping dry.
Oh dear, I have to work with electricity in there? LOL!
This is the path to the Hobbit house(my shop)
Swim trunks anyone?

Le
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Amaterasu

Get them on and breast-stroke, Dave!  Though it looks like a lovely setting overall.
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

Littleenki

Quote from: Amaterasu on June 25, 2012, 01:49:48 AM
Get them on and breast-stroke, Dave!  Though it looks like a lovely setting overall.
Hey, now I have waterfront property! Just got missed by three tornados! Whew!

I havent gotten the motor to spin yet, and I believe theres a secret magnet setup, or he has a motor in that bearing with a magnetic switch..DOH!:D

Le
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Amaterasu

I guess Your property value just trebled!  Waterfront AND tornado-resilient!

Keep plugging on that device.
"If the universe is made of mostly Dark Energy...can We use it to run Our cars?"

"If You want peace, take the profit out of war."

Littleenki

Quote from: Amaterasu on June 25, 2012, 02:39:51 AM
I guess Your property value just trebled!  Waterfront AND tornado-resilient!

Keep plugging on that device.

Yes! as Chappelle used to say...


Im ree-ich!!Not!:D
I am working on using the basic idea, but with magnets epoxied into the wheel, instead of glued onto the hub as shown. Also the magnets he used may have been specific for the field shapes, and he may have searched high and low for them, or just got lucky.

Either way, what stumps me, is when I build a device like that, the repulsion is immediately cancelled out by the attraction of the next magnet in the ring, effectively idling the device with no rotation. The magnet he pulses it with would have to be switched on and off, to make the thing work the way he shows it, from my knowledge.

I do think if it is to work, it will require specialized magnets, in the wheel and maybe the trigger block he's using, as well. That trigger setup may be the key, so my wheel is epoxied and drying overnight, and tomorrow I may make some headway on that trigger block with its different neos, if the tide goes out so I can go to the shop!LOL!

Cheers!
Littleenki
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Mikado

Quote from: Littleenki on June 25, 2012, 03:26:51 AM



Im ree-ich!!Not!:D
I am working on using the basic idea, but with magnets epoxied into the wheel, instead of glued onto the hub as shown. Also the magnets he used may have been specific for the field shapes, and he may have searched high and low for them, or just got lucky.

Either way, what stumps me, is when I build a device like that, the repulsion is immediately cancelled out by the attraction of the next magnet in the ring, effectively idling the device with no rotation. The magnet he pulses it with would have to be switched on and off, to make the thing work the way he shows it, from my knowledge.

I do think if it is to work, it will require specialized magnets, in the wheel and maybe the trigger block he's using, as well. That trigger setup may be the key, so my wheel is epoxied and drying overnight, and tomorrow I may make some headway on that trigger block with its different neos, if the tide goes out so I can go to the shop!LOL!

Cheers!
Littleenki

Try a 10 degree offset facing in the direction of rotation for starters on both the stator and rotor. It has worked in other applications but it will eventually stall out, as you mentioned, unless additional energy can be put into the system to overcome entropic losses.

Also, optical triggering has been used in the past.

Unfortunately, our universe has entropy and some energy will always have to put into a closed system to overcome those losses.

Is perpetual possible? Really? With only magnets?

The fiddler will always have to be paid in some manner if one wants to dance, even if it is only maintenance to the device.

Mikado

deuem

Quote from: Littleenki on June 24, 2012, 09:10:30 PM
Youre cool, Amy..always thinking of others, a genuine friend!
I have nearly everything, including the skateboard bearings...and the big neos, lets see what spins!
Le

Hey Littleenki, Teach me here, Ok if you can get it to spin. What are you guys after? How does this turn into a UFO motor?
I seem to be missing the missing link. If this could be turning an Electric motor and producing voltage that would be cool. Or are you just after the EM or EMG fielgs to reduce the gravity?

Deuem

Linda Brown

I have to admit... I am lost too but sometimes the strangest treasures are found at the end of a detour?
Linda

deuem

I did try and get a process shot from this but the light is comming from the back and the rail is in shadow.
The magnets have a very slight glow but too hard to tell for sure. If he could place a paper under the ring and change the lighting I would try again. Get rid of the shadow so I can see the real road, if there is one.
It does look like my kids roller blade wheel. I will ask him if he minds dad cutting off the rubber.
Hey his wheels light up when they spin. Real cool at night. I still need to connect some dots that are miles away for me.
Deuem, my head is spinning from watching that video over and over.

Littleenki

Hey, D!
What im hoping for isnt a ufo motor, but to try to see how he created perpetual motion with just permanent magnets.
Recreating the experiment is difficult, as its never been done, so I have attempted to see what really going on there.
Personally im guessing hes got a motor in that bearing structure, actuvated with a magnetic switch, but it could be magic, too!
Jusy a rainy day project for me, as im not firing up the bench due to all the wind and lightning here in fla, no storms gonna fry my bad ass oscope! :-):-):-)
Cheers!
Littleenki
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deuem

Understood, but even if it could run forever, if I can't get any power out of it what do I do, just watch it spin?

PLAYSWITHMACHINES

#104
Hey Dave, i guessed you missed my 'perendev' video?
You need an unequal number of magnets to avoid this 'cogging' problem.

Then if you use enough magnets, the 'repel' or 'cog' area will be much smaller than the 'force' area. Notice this is a 'push only' design, you can always add iron for an attraction component, or a small coil that fires at the cogging point just enough to dampen the field, & the wheel's momentum will carry it through.

These things are even for sale, but it's a question of keeping the magnets when not in use....

And now for something completely different, NASA ufo's, spirals, torsion fields, vibration, antigravity.



Apologies to those who can't see it, you really need to fix those problems....

ETA: Dave, maybe you should think about a hydro-electric scheme for the hobbit hut?... :P