Undo's Super Gripe

[undo11]

rdunk,

thanks for the response.
i don't really want to burst your balloon, but you know that passage that says god will never subject us to more than we can handle? 

i don't think that applies to christians, cause i was literally tortured to death, a slow and painful, emotionally traumatizing death beyond words, pleading desperately for help and finding none. and i was approximately 33 years of age. 

my help didn't arrive till i was already dead as a doornail, with machines doing the functions of my body because my body could not stay live on its own anymore. all my motor functions quit.  and i was literally resurrected from the dead to live thru more misery, some of which has finally passed and some of which seems to be ongoing and some of which is just a natural response to not wanting to undergo any more pain and suffering.  torture and me are not friends. 

if somebody comes at me with a knife to cut off my other breast, i have plans to bite his dangily clean off with my toothless gums (yeah all my teeth turned to chalk and had to be pulled out sometime right before i was diagnosed with breast cancer, chemotherapy which gave me diabetes. are we having fun yet?  NOPE! )

you live thru that once and let me know whether you think that verse applies to christians or not.

[Linda Brown]

you live thru that once and let me know whether you think that verse applies to christians or not.

And yet....After all of that... You are alive.... Toward what purpose?   Linda

[undo11]

you live thru that once and let me know whether you think that verse applies to christians or not.

And yet....After all of that... You are alive.... Toward what purpose?   Linda

i guess because it built the faith of others up to see a miracle happen. however it reeked havoc on my faith regarding the application of some verses of scripture. i realized that, regardless of how badly we may want the text to mean something, it doesnt necessarily mean it means what you want it to mean, cause i was definitely a christian at the time, and that slow death was just sheer misery of unfathomable proportions.  i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, although i would surely entertain the notion of castrating anyone who came at me with the idea of more torture.    i think i've been thru quite enough, thank you.

[Linda Brown]

I keep wondering what it is that you have really learned from the experience? Surely its not only that you don't want to be hurt anymore....That should be obvious.... but what was it about your experience... and the pain of it all ... that has prepared you for another frontier?

Linda

[rdunk]

rdunk,

thanks for the response.
i don't really want to burst your balloon, but you know that passage that says god will never subject us to more than we can handle? 

i don't think that applies to Christians, cause i was literally tortured to death, a slow and painful, emotionally traumatizing death beyond words, pleading desperately for help and finding none. and i was approximately 33 years of age. 

my help didn't arrive till i was already dead as a doornail, with machines doing the functions of my body because my body could not stay live on its own anymore. all my motor functions quit.  and i was literally resurrected from the dead to live thru more misery, some of which has finally passed and some of which seems to be ongoing and some of which is just a natural response to not wanting to undergo any more pain and suffering.  torture and me are not friends. 

if somebody comes at me with a knife to cut off my other breast, i have plans to bite his dangily clean off with my toothless gums (yeah all my teeth turned to chalk and had to be pulled out sometime right before i was diagnosed with breast cancer, chemotherapy which gave me diabetes. are we having fun yet?  NOPE! )

you live thru that once and let me know whether you think that verse applies to Christians or not.

Hey Undo, you will never need to be concerned about "bursting my bubble", for I am in his hands, absolutely, and regardless of the situation. And, I am at peace, in him, regardless to what may arise!

In some way, you have been "misguided" with the scripture you asked me about, as probably many have, if one just listens to "man", and doesn't go to the Bible to see what God has to say. In this case, God does say it, but he is not talking about sickness and disease. He is talking about "temptation (to sin).

The bible verse is 1 Cor. 10:13 - "No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it".

So that there is no misunderstanding, God makes no "temptation", as that is what satan does. God is just making it clear that he will be there to help us with any temptation.

Undo, your brief account of your medical/physical situations is awful, and what you have been through is horrible. But, it doesn't hold a candle to what Jesus went through, for you and me.  The Son of God, died on a cross, and as prophesied, arose from the dead, that we might have life, and have it more abundantly.

Sickness, disease, and DEATH came as a result of Adam's disobedience of God, in the Garden of Eden. Satan is the father lies, and he is the father of your sickness and diseases, as he is of mine. I was diagnosed in 1975 with MS, but I was healed from that, by God, and worked another 25 years before I retired. Then two years ago, I was diagnosed with bladder cancer, and had "radical" surgery to deal with that, during nine hours in the operating room. And I am still physically trying to get back to normal, but still, tests show no return. I only mention that to say, all of us have things we have to bear, some being worse than others. But, a day is coming.....................................yippee!!

Now, throughout all of that, never even once have I thought that God wasn't there for me. And, I certainly was not concerned about dying, and never will be. Because, I KNOW in whom I have believed, and I KNOW he will be there to welcome me home, when that time comes. Nothing else really matters. That is peace beyond all peace! 

And no "fairytale", nor anyone else's religion or thought, can change what I believe, in the God of this Universe, with whom "we can" forever live!!

[undo11]

rdunk,

oh my gosh, you're right!  why was it stuck in my head incorrectly?  i know that its temptation, not sure why i forgot that.  weird.

[undo11]

I keep wondering what it is that you have really learned from the experience? Surely its not only that you don't want to be hurt anymore....That should be obvious.... but what was it about your experience... and the pain of it all ... that has prepared you for another frontier?

Linda

that's a good question.  i can tell you that suffering and misery sucks. but i think most people can figure that out without an object lesson.  i know i was clearly aware of how bad it is, but still got the lesson just the same.  maybe it wasn't my lesson but someone else's.  would be nice if those types of lessons came with a warning label.

[Littleenki]

Aside from the hearty discussion here, I would like to personally give Undo and rdunk a hug from afar, and wish you both a healthy continuation of life.
What you two have been through is unimaginable for most, and impossible for some, so a big burst of love, from whatever inner or outer god is with us to both of you, and your families!

Undo, you taught me to forgive and move on a while ago, and I still use that lesson every day, thanks a bunch!

Linda, you taught me that there is another world of wonder out there, and how we can grab it by the horns, and ride it to the end of the rodeo, I am forever in your lovely debt!

Amy, youve shown me that a person can persevere through a horrible family experience and be a better person for it...I think you are a special gal! Thanks!

Rdunk, I havent known you for long, but you have taught me that something else might be at play here, and your strength in your faith is incredible! Thanks, to you, too!

Hobbit, well, youve taught me to see with my hands, and listen with my rods, and all the other things I never thought could be explained, I am forever your little grasshopper!

The talk here is animated, and passionate which shows we all have a grip on our beliefs, but the best thing is, when it's all said and done, I feel we will go to the very same place, and then we can debate it all we want, but there will be one side who is totally right, and one side who was totally wrong.
No questions at that point, just facts!
At the risk of sounding corny and cheesy, and a bit gay(LOL!) I love you all!
What a great forum where we can find a balance in our relationships with one another, and respect each others beliefs whether we agree or not! Pegasus is numero uno in my book, and you all are right there at the top, too!
And of course.......
Thanksto the amazing Zorgon, you have created the perfect forum and site! Well done my friend!
Littleenki

[rdunk]

Littleenki, thanks so much for your thoughtful comments, for the several of us!!! You are just "one of the bunch" too. As you say, while not all of us agree on everything, we each can helpfully contribute in the many different subject discussions, here at the PRC.

My heart certainly does go out to Undo, because of the drastic issues she has had to deal with, that likely would have been the death of many of us. And, as Linda said, "Undo is still here", having come through it all, and I do thank God for that! He must still have things for her to do!!!

If she hadn't come through it, then she would not be here to "super gripe", and we would be talking about something else, a lot less worthwhile!!! And there is a lot of good for each and all of us in this thread, to learn from, for positive personal growth. A shorter way to say that is - - Undo's super gripe is our gain!! 

Enki, thanks for the friendly hugs!!

[undo11]

Littleenki,

every so often, when i think of this place, the thought crosses my mind that i gotta get me some of that happy juice you're drinking.   (not saying you're drinking, just saying you're a happy fellow unless you start talking about religion and then it all goes to hell in a handbasket).

i'll be like cruising along, reading one of your posts and WHAM! smack into an incomprehensible shift, from littleenki who loves and forgives everybody, to littleenki who seems to be intent on keeping it forever in his head that religious people  do dumb things (like everyone else on the planet) and the examples listed are almost always slights against christianity in particular.  it's not like we don't know that already, so the only rationale i can think of for it, is that something bad happened to you.  i'm afraid to ask what it was, cause then i'd have to be mad at them too. and then have to go threw that whole process of forgiveness too.

i honestly don't know what to make of your posts. they are confusing.  when the bible gets like that, i assume it's because it's written by people and they put their own slant on the subject either when it happened, or later when it's translated and even later when it's retranslated, resulting in confusing moments.

  in your case, perhaps your head is arguing with your heart.  we all know in our hearts that the human race is frequently a broken mess but also a beautiful creation.  how these two things co-exist without us all being looney tunes, is beyond my capacity to decipher.  but to isolate out only one type of world view as inherently bad, and by virtue of its application, creates even more flawed followers, leaders, etc, that seems counter to all the other information, et.al, that we are flawed but also beautiful creations, capable of great love and abysmal failure.  why are christians in particular, such a sore spot for you?  *winces in preparation for potentially bad news*

[Linda Brown]

Being unpredictable is also a grand gift Littleenki.
Linda

[undo11]

Being unpredictable is also a grand gift Littleenki.
Linda

no leading the interviewee.

[Amaterasu]

ama,

i missed this part cause i have this like seething anger of being blamed for stuff other people did or do.  i'm sick and tired of it and i'm pretty sure everyone else is as well.  we just need to apply this all around and not leave some people out of the equation by perpetuating the myth that "Christians" did this or that, when there's not one ounce of proof that the people doing it, were actually christians.

yes indeedy, there is someone doing it, but who is the question.  for example, did you read the "all roads lead to rome" thread on ats?  do you think he's right?

Yes, I did read that.  And yes.  My evaluation is that Rome "owns" the planet and is orchestrating things from behind the scene.  But that those who are the true orchestrators are NOT of Christ Consciousness.

And so...  Are You saying that You think We here at this forum are blaming You for what People centuries ago did?  Is that why You're taking Your anger out on Us?  Am I following that correctly?

I personally NEVER blame anyOne for anything They didn't personally choose to do.  I suspect none here do either.  So though We may grasp the manipulation of People through organized religion and make statements to that effect, We are not in any way reflecting it upon You.

[undo11]

here's a riddle i can't quite figure out. 

one day while reading ats, i came across a thread written by a lady who claimed that a reptilian-like or dragon-like spirit being was sexual assaulting her without her approval, because, she claimed, she was producing some kind of chemical energy that the dragon was sustained by.

her description was pretty intense.  i thought that was the biggest crock of bull crap i had ever heard, that is, until it started to dawn on me that there miight be something to it, just not exactly the way she explained it or understood it, herself.

what really bugged me was that she said it was racial, and that only white women of a certain lineage, had the necessary dna to produce the chemical.  typically they were caucasian with red hair and green eyes.  i still didn't make any connections to what she was saying because i was so caught up in trying to prove her wrong that any possible connections, flew right under my radar.   

she then claimed that the great whore of babylon, riding on the red dragon, from the book of revelation, was just an indicator of how the priestly classes dealt with this "intimate" connection between the dragon race and the special human females. rather than seeing it as an interesting cross dimensional event, they viewed it as filthy and obnoxious, and so women who had this chemical, were called whores and not just whores but great whores.

this made zero sense to me because the text she was referring to said that the great whore of babylon was a religious city. and that the dragon represented seven hills that the great whore sat on.  now i knew from my earlier studies on eschatology, that the great whore was the religious city of rome, so why was this lady claiming it was white women? then it came to me.   the connections started to congeal. she was saying white "christian" women were the great whore. and what does the dragon think of the great whore ?  he hates her, it says in the text and as a result, burns her to death.  now why would a dragon, who is, presumably, against the wishes of the human female sexually assaulting her because she provides a necessary chemical, also hate her?  that was a real head scratcher.


but wait, isnt it just a city?  according to this lady it is not.  women, particularly white christian women, are great whores because that's the langauge the talmudists, torahists and muslims used to describe women who are comprised by "dragons."  she based part of that off the teachings of some royal from england who documented the use of what he called "starfire", which was essentially a chemical present in menustral blood that the ancient "god" kings drank, like a sort of ambrosia. 

but what happens when there's no menustration?  all that remains is water.  and thus we have the water of life.  the chemical soup prepared by a woman's body minus the menustral blood.  yet the great whore of babylon was famous for holding a cup full of blood, a "grail", if you will, which technically speaking is supposed to represent the blood of all the christians the great whore has killed. 

how does a single or even several, menustrating white women cause the deaths of innocent people ?  it just doesn't make sense but this is the type of twisting and creative editing people do with the text of ancient history, to try to come up with an excuse, any excuse to kill each other or justify the killing of each other.  it's bizarro land.

even if she was partially right, how does that end up reflecting on me as a white woman of european descent?  does it make me special? don't sound like it. does it even make me normal? nada.  sounds like it's meant to make me into a subhuman, mischaracterize me as lacking faith or spirituality, depicting me as a murderer and a slut, when i've only had one husband my entire life and never killed anyone. what is up with that? 

well, i watched a video some time after reading that thread, that claimed the offspring of jesus via mary magdalene, supposedly came to the usa, and that's the whore reference since magdalene was a prostitute when jesus met her.
doh.  even if all this stuff were true, i get right back to WHY. 

according to the lady in that thread, we were created by the dragon race for the sole purpose of providing them this chemical energy food. so after they have dinner, they burn the food source?  that makes no sense.  there is something really sinister going on and i intend to find out what. 

[Linda Brown]

My first reaction is   WHY?

Why do you intend to find out ANYTHING about what you have just written here? Isn't this just another example of manifesting this mindset??.....

WHY are you allowing yourself to be drawn into this? ( I am not telling you not to go there... I am simply saying.... question first! There is much at work here.)

Are you sure that your energies could not be spent in a more productive direction?

Questions I ask myself all the time because I see myself drawn into trying to uncover dark mysteries too. But I do try to be tough on myself... constantly asking..... WHY am I doing this? WHY does it mean so much to me?

It might be a good thing for you to do too. Otherwise you might find that some other energy is simply using you as their tool.   Linda