UFO Sighting 2012, Jets Scramble After UFO in South Wales

[Pimander]

I haven't had time to read the whole thread.  However, this is old footage.  There was an ATS thread discussing it.  I think the conclusion was CGI but I don't remember how we reached that point.

[1Worldwatcher]

I haven't had time to read the whole thread.  However, this is old footage.  There was an ATS thread discussing it.  I think the conclusion was CGI but I don't remember how we reached that point.

"Really Primander?" What a let down, I do see artifacts, but I am not sure if it is due to the movement of the fighter's and the UFO or if there was something amiss with a possible CGI application.
Have you ever seen the footage then Primander? I haven't got a chance to watch it yet, can't even burn it to DVD CD right now too see it, what a let down if this is a proved hoax.
But, if the Sun gives me privies to the article, and I know the Sun is rather a shall we say, sometimes misinformed tabloid, it is possible for sure. But to research these types of thing's is something a guy  like me wants to look into farther, just don't want to waste my time if it is a known hoax.
Thanks for the heads up Primander, good stuff to know right there!!
If you can provide any evidence to this being a hoax that has been proved, I would appreciate it so this thread can die and we can move on!!
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[Sgt.Rocknroll]

I looked and looked and looked and the only thing I could find that look suspicious to me was the pixelation around all the objects. What stood out most was the pixels 'flowed' around the fighters and the pixels appeared to be a rectangle around the UFO. Also the number of pixels in the UFO where somewhat smaller than the surrounding sky, which, IMO, smacks of a paste. Without further info, if I had to bet my life on it, I'd say it was faked....

Peace

[1Worldwatcher]

I looked and looked and looked and the only thing I could find that look suspicious to me was the pixelation around all the objects. What stood out most was the pixels 'flowed' around the fighters and the pixels appeared to be a rectangle around the UFO. Also the number of pixels in the UFO where somewhat smaller than the surrounding sky, which, IMO, smacks of a paste. Without further info, if I had to bet my life on it, I'd say it was faked....
Peace

Thanks so much for replying Sgt. I was hoping you would use your software to detect these as fakes as well, Primander is a credited with such thing's and he too says it was a hoaxed, CGI faked incident.
Not only that , I have yet to hear anything from the Sun over the incident even taking place.

So much darn disinformation out there, it becomes hard to detect reality from an illusion that these type's of folks create.
Now, to weed the garden a bit longer, was hoping this was a real encounter and authentic photo's of the incident......."Time to move on."

Thanks again Sgt. and Primander,saved me a lot of search and collect time...LOL 

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[Pimander]

I can't be sure this is the same one I mentioned as a I can't find it.  However, I suspect fake too based on suspect pixelation.

[Cyanhide]

Deuem : that account , is it like open for everyone ? since you posted your login etc

I'm really curious about watching it:) If i may[grin]

[deuem]

Deuem : that account , is it like open for everyone ? since you posted your login etc

I'm really curious about watching it:) If i may[grin]

Yes, I made that an open account just for TLM. If you know the path you can get in.  If you want to watch it you will have to download it. It is just a file sharring area. This livingmoon account is a sub folder of the Deuem account. It is set up with a 500mb limit so I will keep things there until the room is needed for the next new thing.

By the way any of you can do this, they offer a free side of their file storage with 1 open acount. I like FREE. The FTP side of it is very fast.
Enjoy,
Deuem

[Littleenki]

Wow.  Nice pics!  I agree.  It's amazing what weather balloons can do!  Look like discs, maneuver around chasing aircraft.  Yet They can keep a straight face telling Us that's what it was.  Geez.  No, We're NOT that stupid.

I am, that looks like a disc shaped kite being flown by a couple of bored air traffic contollers!
Well, really they dont need to protect those birds as it looks like the birds have a secret admirer!
Littleenki

[1Worldwatcher]

I have taken upon myself too see if there was any validation's of this being a hoaxed incident or a fact real footage shot by a passer by. I have found nothing, and I mean "Nothing" stating this is a hoaxed video. Though there are these types of speculations over the footage, even Nick Pope spoke out on behalf of the incident:



Now, there were some other videos that were suppied as well, from these witnesses that had the opportunity to witness this event, I had too go deeper, with no reply from the 'Sun' tabloid for this being either/or, I have to rely on what is out there for discussion too this event being a real event. 0:57 secs is not a long time of footage, but check this out for yourselves:



The most striking statement Nick Pope makes id the reaction of the MOD over this issue, if it were valid national security breach, it would have been covered up, but on the other hand, if this is factual footage, the MOD would not be able to disclose the event one way or another, so much good footage and no real answer's, I am trying to contact Mr. Pope too see if there is anything more of this event brought forth for debate, but I have not heard anything from him either. I will not stop trying to get resolve of this, just an 'Unbelievable' incident, but may be of a real scenario.

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[Pimander]

The video footage in the last post is not the same as the footage that was found to be suspect on ATS.  That is my mistake.  The still looked similar but the video is not the same one at all.

Sorry.

I'm interested in any further analysis of he film.

[1Worldwatcher]

The video footage in the last post is not the same as the footage that was found to be suspect on ATS.  That is my mistake.  The still looked similar but the video is not the same one at all.Sorry.I'm interested in any further analysis of he film.

Primander, Can you take a look by  stopping the video, and pointing the mouse t teh very end of the video, 0:56-57 secs, Tell me, "What do you see, and am I seeing what is happening at that moment correctly?"

Also, there is a moment when the Fighters fly in off of shot, they seem to be corilated as a flight path would be, but there seems to be a gap , if I am seeing what is happening at 56-57, it seems that the UFO disappears..

This might be a CGI effect if so, but it looks as if it tumbles when watched in real time with the video.

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[Pimander]

I'm not sure the apparent disappearance of the UFO is suspect.  The UFO appears to accelerate upwards in real time which makes it look as if it has disappeared.

It is the enlarged pictures you posted in reply 7 that look odd to me.  The pixels in the planes and UFO look larger that the sky.  However, I am no expert at image analysis so there may be a perfectly reasonable explanation for that.

I think we need someone with more expertise to look at the film to see whether the planes and/or UFO have been added.  If the pixels look odd in the film then I'd say it's a fake.

Another thing, that someone on You Tube pointed out, is that there is no time delay before the noise of the jets.  They do look to be moving very quickly at some distance away unless the planes are nearer than they appear.  It would take time for the sound to travel that distance to reach the camera microphone.

What do other members think.  Would there be a sound delay at the speed and distance in the film?  Surely some of the military members can estimate better than I can?

[1Worldwatcher]

Well, as for the sound, it would depend on a few thing's, bu for the most part, they seem to be spot in with the video er and the panning of the camera. When they enter the frame of question, they seem to realise that the target is right there, this is when the UFO seems to disappear, the only other thing I can think why this would happen, the UFO reacted to slowly to realise that the fighters were too close and aborted cloaking or just wasn't seeing the fighters coming.

With the videotog rapher being in that particular perspective, it really helps size the object, the Fighters are smaller than the object, but not by much, I need to know for sure what kind of fighters those are before I can make correct analysis of size ratio's , I can even figure out speed once I have this, bu the perspective of the incoming Fighter's is too blurred too make an educated guess even. "Do you or anyone else know for sure what type of fighters these are?"

Very interesting research on this so far, but still haven't gotten a Tad bit of resolution from any sources yet. F-16, F-18, I am not sure.

I think you are right about the video not being the same as the still photo's Primander, they are way different, so, either someone else had a different front row seat to the event, or , these are two different examples entirely..

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[deuem]

The UT vid posted here is not the match for the photos, That vid is from the English chase down some highway.  The one I linked to is the correct one.

If some one can figure out what jets they are and post a simple detail blueprint of the jet sizes, I can calculate the UFO size and speeds of all. Even a distance. We just need the jets specs and then photo plane the pictures at the jets.

Deuem

[1Worldwatcher]

The UT vid posted here is not the match for the photos, That vid is from the English chase down some highway.  The one I linked to is the correct one.

If some one can figure out what jets they are and post a simple detail blueprint of the jet sizes, I can calculate the UFO size and speeds of all. Even a distance. We just need the jets specs and then photo plane the pictures at the jets.

Deuem

Yes, I had requested this info in an earlier post, it would allow to determine the actual sizes and speeds they are travelling. With that info, I would be hard pressed to find out that they are not what they seem to be.
I had downloaded the video you had given me Deuem, but it is not the best, I only recorded the sounds, no video. "Do you still have the video?" or did you post it in the thread? Can't remember, but I will check for It, now my PC is running on all cylinders!! LOL

1Worldwatcher