The New Area 51 for Saucer spotting ?

[astr0144]

After reading the related threads on PRC, including Johns and A51 watchers topics...

John did refer to Wendover , Nevada which I believe is about 260 miles North East of Groom Lake as being the NEW Area 51...

I am curious if A51 watcher or anyone has ever visited this area ?

I have not come across anything so far...

BUT I will be surprised if it has not been investigated !

[A51Watcher]

astr0 -

No I have not visited that area. I have not seen any reports of anyone seeing craft being tested there, or anywhere else for that matter.

But I can guarantee you the program is still ongoing at some unknown location. It has such a high priority it was decided to continue testing at Area 51 despite the leak for at least 2 years until the new digs were ready.

It's too bad you didn't hear about the place back in the day, I'm sure you would have come over for a look. I tried to get several people to go with me, but they all chickened out.

If John says Wendover, I would check out Wendover. He has one or two contacts in this field ya know. 

[astr0144]

Hi A51,

If I had known just a small part of what I know now back in early 1990s when you were aware of such stories and had your experience ...yes I think without any doubt I would accompanied you on a trip if we had been aware of each others interests at that time...

Looking back..Frustratingly I was actually in Vegas on my 1st ever USA trip back in 1988... but I don't think back then that I had never heard of Area 51....but was aware of the Nuclear areas North of Vegas...and was curious...

I will be honest and say that I am STILL Unsure in my mind if it is safe to visit the Nevada area...

With all that testing, I thought that it would remain highly radioactive for many many years after....

IF I do find anything out about Wendover or somewhere in the SW USA area that may be still testing Saucers... I would consider a visit..

The problems will no doubt be the locations will be hostile and remote far away from any Civilization...so one would have to well prepare ones trip.

I hope that John can over some feedback..

[johnlear]

Hi A51,

If I had known just a small part of what I know now back in early 1990s when you were aware of such stories and had your experience ...yes I think without any doubt I would accompanied you on a trip if we had been aware of each others interests at that time...

Looking back..Frustratingly I was actually in Vegas on my 1st ever USA trip back in 1988... but I don't think back then that I had never heard of Area 51....but was aware of the Nuclear areas North of Vegas...and was curious...

I will be honest and say that I am STILL Unsure in my mind if it is safe to visit the Nevada area...

With all that testing, I thought that it would remain highly radioactive for many many years after....

IF I do find anything out about Wendover or somewhere in the SW USA area that may be still testing Saucers... I would consider a visit..

The problems will no doubt be the locations will be hostile and remote far away from any Civilization...so one would have to well prepare ones trip.

I hope that John can over some feedback..

Hello astr0144, 

Nobody has written about it or gone there to my knowledge. Neither have I.

But my sources on this are excellent. One of my sources used to work there.
Others have confirmed the location.

I am far to old to go out there because it is a brutal hike from as far as a 4 wheel drive
can get. Maybe 15-20 miles.

I have posted numerous maps on where it is.

It is hidden from around and above by holograms. The people that work there are told
it is mirrors that hide the area.

They have the same white security SUV's patrolling the area and sensors. One friend of
mine who tried to get close heard SUV's and helicopters (Evergreen circa 2002) obviously
tracking him but he was able to get away for 2 reasons: The first is that they started the
tracking as soon as he tripped the  sensors instead of waiting until he  got closer. The
second is because they didn't wait to start noisily tracking him and he had time to hightail
it out of there. If they had waited just a littlelonger to start tracking him he would have been
dead meat.

Good luck to anyone who trys but I would highly recommend not attempting it. There is just
too much really secret stuff out there and you wil for sure not get close enough to make the
effort worth while.

I am pretty sure that there is another long runway in the middle of a dry lake down at Ely. A
friend of mine was driving by there and stopped to rest at 2am. At the time he did not know there was
anything at the dry lake which was 7 miles from the road. When he woke up about 3am he saw
something bluish colored and got out and it was the blue runway lights of a long strip. He saw no activity.

Someone else, I think on this forum was talking about a facility to the southwest of Tonopah. Its a nice
four wheel drive, about an hour I think.

[johnlear]

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention it is 40 miles south of Wendover to the east of Highway 93 Alternate about 15-20 miles in.

Can't miss it!

[zorgon]

Is that where that Nevada concrete examiner told you about the hidden runway?

Or was that a different spot?

[zorgon]

Someone else, I think on this forum was talking about a facility to the southwest of Tonopah. Its a nice four wheel drive, about an hour I think.

I wish you hadn't sold those ATV's  I miss those excursions 

I know your back makes it tough now but dang it was hard keeping up with you

[astr0144]

Hi John,

Thanks for your reply,

I have at sometime come across one of your threads that discussed some things related to Wendover which had maps...but at the moment I cannot recall which one it was...

I tried a search for Wendover and could only find one thread that has a wider area map indicating the location...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=305.0

but I thought that I had seen a more detailed map...I am still searching..

IF anyone knows which one it is from memory..without trying a longer search, Id appreciate if you could post the link...

I assume it will be under Johns main threads.

otherwise I should find it If I keep looking...

From what you have said, it does seem like it is too well protected....
and after what happened at Groom Lake from 1988 to mid 1990s....no doubt they would be looking for a better hiding place..and have at least as good security....

It may not be similar to A51 where you could witness something from a major highway if you were lucky enough to pass by at the right time or were observing from around the area...

Although from what you said where your friend stopped near the dry lake runway....if one was to wait around long enough , you may get to see something if they fly Saucers around that area.

Not sure about the Tonopah base, I think that I  had read of some sitings some time ago, but nothing recently.

It would be great if it was possible to get a viewing place looking over the area similar to that of Tikaboo at Area 51..

Its fascinating what associates that you have if they have worked at a totally secret base that may be testing Saucers and other mind boggling things...

[astr0144]

Hi John,

I looked through several of your threads and tried doing searchs to find a detailed map of the Wendover area but unfortunately so far I have not managed to find anything.

I know you said that the place was about 40 miles south...

I did think at some time that I had seen a detailed map that you posted which had information on it....

I did find one map but that was a larger overall area between Groom Lake and Wendover....and it also had a detailed map of the Tonopah range that you also did refer to.

Can you confirm if you did post a detailed map of the Wendover area that also included 40 miles south ...that you described ...

[johnlear]

Is that where that Nevada concrete examiner told you about the hidden runway?

Or was that a different spot?

The concrete truck driver that was working on one of the five mile deep DUMB's said it was on top of the Paiute Mesa just to the east of the Sandia facility in Silent Canyon.

[johnlear]

I wish you hadn't sold those ATV's  I miss those excursions 

I know your back makes it tough now but dang it was hard keeping up with you

Roger that. I don't think I'd be good for a ten minute ride anymore.

[astr0144]

Hi John / Zorgon,

Thanks for posting the map....but this is of another area right next to Groom Lake...

is this the other new Area 51 that you referred to at Tonopah ?

DUMB  =   Deep Underground Military Base

5 miles deep !....that is hard to believe !



Do you believe  this have an underground rail system ?

Do you have a similar map that shows the Wendover areas New Area 51 ?

Thank you

Astr0144

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The concrete truck driver that was working on one of the five mile deep DUMB's said it was on top of the Paiute Mesa just to the east of the Sandia facility in Silent Canyon.

[A51Watcher]

astr0 -

Here is the map I believe you were looking for that John posted a while back.

The base is circled with blue letters inside, at the end of the dotted line in the upper right corner - 






Quoting from John's description above -

...it is 40 miles south of Wendover to the east of Highway 93 Alternate about 15-20 miles in.

This information matches what my sources told me in the late 90's, that they had driven east on Hwy 80 from the border and at about 40 miles in, while looking south they saw very unusual lights 'darting around' in the sky close to mountaintop level.



 

[undo11]

i lived in utah for 10 years. i'm pretty sure that whole south end of the salt lake is salt and mines of various kinds. i think morton salt is very near that circle.

[undo11]

here's a google of where the salt mines are in that area. also there are magnesium mines out there, cause it's used as an anti clumping agent in the salt