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Mars Anomaly - White Object With Small Black Sphere on Top

Started by rdunk, June 01, 2012, 09:18:52 PM

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rdunk

I am posting an anomaly found in photos of the very earliest days of Rover opportunity's work. This object can be seen in several of Rovers first days of photographing the Martian surface  - like Sol days 003. 004, and etc. Rover did take pics in this same area for several days.

The anomaly is just a small white object of some sort, with what appears to be a black sphere on top of it. It is just there, on the surface, among the rocks.

I will include a screenshot of the anomaly, a colorized screenshot, and a link to a mosaic of this area.   In the mosaic, this anomaly is to the far right in the photo.

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/opportunity/20040127a/Sol3_mosaic_right-B003R1.jpg


 

ArMaP

Quote from: rdunk on June 01, 2012, 09:18:52 PM
The anomaly is just a small white object of some sort, with what appears to be a black sphere on top of it. It is just there, on the surface, among the rocks.
What makes you think that that's something anomalous and not just some rocks?
(Yes, I know, I am one of those "just rocks" guys :) )

Here is a slightly better version of that photo, with the colours made like NASA does.
(click for full size)


And here's a version with the colours made like I prefer. :D
(click for full size)

taintedsample

Nice post.

But interesting rocks just the same. they look sedimentary like limestone.
I enjoy looking back at the older images also. For some reason spirit images seemed so much clearer than opportunity. I will post some interesting photos of pathfinder as well in the coming weeks.

Keep up the good work!  8)

rdunk

ArMaP said, "What makes you think that that's something anomalous and not just some rocks?
(Yes, I know, I am one of those "just rocks" guys  )"

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Well, the two that I put question marks on, do look like types of rocks, for sure, but both have what look like (to me) unusual features.

The little white object with the little black sphere, now that is a little cutie! I don't know why it is there, in the photo, but it is easy to see it, if one really looks, sitting there between the rocks. No way to know what this is, nor why it is there, in the pic.

There is at least one other anomaly in this mosaic photo that I will post in a reply later.

Thanks for the additional pics!

rdunk

Quote from: taintedsample on June 02, 2012, 02:15:32 AM
Nice post.

But interesting rocks just the same. they look sedimentary like limestone.
I enjoy looking back at the older images also. For some reason spirit images seemed so much clearer than opportunity. I will post some interesting photos of pathfinder as well in the coming weeks.

Keep up the good work!  8)

Thanks tainted! Yes, this area seems to have a considerable amount of stone! When you see areas like this though, keep your eyes open, and be on the lookout. That is because, in some areas, the Rover's work contains pics of what have the look of rock, but may actually be some type of carpet material, used to drape over stuff to protect it from the elements! Right now, I am just say'in, but I will post some "carpet pic examples" for everyone in the days and weeks ahead. And they will be difficult to disavow!! 

I will be looking forward to the posts you mentioned!

BTW, I am going to start a separate thread soon entitled "Possible NASA Photo Tampering.  This would give all of us a place to post our examples/proof of what has happened to some of the photos we have the opportunity to see, and when we can recognize obvious differences in identical photo objects and locations. And, FWTW, I can tell you now, that this photo here (in this OP) will be featured in one of the posts in that thread!

Thanks for your comments!

ArMaP

Quote from: rdunk on June 02, 2012, 03:22:29 AM
Well, the two that I put question marks on, do look like types of rocks, for sure, but both have what look like (to me) unusual features.
What features do you find unusual?

QuoteThe little white object with the little black sphere, now that is a little cutie!
I think that's part of the rock in the background, I will look for other photos of those rocks.

Edit: I think it may even be a shadow, as all shadows are in the same relative position.

rdunk

Quote from: ArMaP on June 02, 2012, 01:34:08 PM
What features do you find unusual?
I think that's part of the rock in the background, I will look for other photos of those rocks.

Edit: I think it may even be a shadow, as all shadows are in the same relative position.

Hello ArMaP! Thanks for the comments. The background rocks that I put ?? marks on - to me the look a little more complex, than the typical rock, which could be indicative of some type of special use.

I would say that your "shadow " comment on the little black Sphere might be a bit of a stretch. Shadows do require a "shadow generator.subject of some sort, and there does not appear to be one there in this pic, for the sphere. All of the seeable shadows are an objects left side (our right).

Regarding other pics you are going to look for, there are many, and some you will find are "entirely different". That is why I have already mentioned the possibility of "photo tampering" in an earlier reply. In some of the later pics, the little black sphere is gone!! But all of this along with other examples, will be presented in a separate "Photo Tampering" thread. 

Sgt.Rocknroll

I downloaded SOL3_MOSAIC_RIGHT-B003R1
Image properties 7450x1122 pixels 72 dpi
I increased the dpi from 72 to 300, resulting in 31042x4675 pixels
The image below in my opinion is a rock with a protruding shadow and not a sphere on the rock outcropping below.


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ArMaP

Quote from: rdunk on June 02, 2012, 02:28:21 PM
Hello ArMaP! Thanks for the comments. The background rocks that I put ?? marks on - to me the look a little more complex, than the typical rock, which could be indicative of some type of special use.
To me they look like sedimentary rocks, like shale.

QuoteI would say that your "shadow " comment on the little black Sphere might be a bit of a stretch. Shadows do require a "shadow generator.subject of some sort, and there does not appear to be one there in this pic, for the sphere. All of the seeable shadows are an objects left side (our right).
I don't think so, look at the zoomed in image below.

You can see that the shadow of the other rock is being cast in the same direction as the shadow that you called "black sphere".

QuoteRegarding other pics you are going to look for, there are many, and some you will find are "entirely different". That is why I have already mentioned the possibility of "photo tampering" in an earlier reply. In some of the later pics, the little black sphere is gone!! But all of this along with other examples, will be presented in a separate "Photo Tampering" thread.
The "black sphere" is gone because the Sun is in a different position, so the shadows changed.

No need of tampering for that.

As I like these photos, here is a closer view from Sol 15 of those rocks, first the NASA version, then my version.





As usual, click for full size. :)

ArMaP

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 02, 2012, 03:23:05 PM
The image below in my opinion is a rock with a protruding shadow and not a sphere on the rock outcropping below.
That's exactly what I think that photo shows. :)

rdunk

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 02, 2012, 03:23:05 PM
I downloaded SOL3_MOSAIC_RIGHT-B003R1
Image properties 7450x1122 pixels 72 dpi
I increased the dpi from 72 to 300, resulting in 31042x4675 pixels
The image below in my opinion is a rock with a protruding shadow and not a sphere on the rock outcropping below.

Sgt, thanks for your effort. However I see no "round generator" around that rock that would make a spherical shadow. The photos show the sphere pretty clearly. To me, it does seem to be on the top of the small white piece, rather that farther back and on the edge of the bigger rock.

Of course, you may be right....but as you will see in a future thread, someone went to significant effort, to really change how these rocks actually look.

rdunk

Quote from: ArMaP on June 02, 2012, 04:12:41 PM
To me they look like sedimentary rocks, like shale.
I don't think so, look at the zoomed in image below.

You can see that the shadow of the other rock is being cast in the same direction as the shadow that you called "black sphere".
The "black sphere" is gone because the Sun is in a different position, so the shadows changed.

No need of tampering for that.

As I like these photos, here is a closer view from Sol 15 of those rocks, first the NASA version, then my version.


Yes, ArMaP, you did find some of the really changed photos, and there are more showing same. Nope, that is not just a simple difference in position of the Sun that makes the rocks look eons older, and different. And, yes, as I said, these will be a part of the tampering thread, along with several others, when I get around to doing that! 

ArMaP

Quote from: rdunk on June 02, 2012, 04:39:30 PM
Nope, that is not just a simple difference in position of the Sun that makes the rocks look eons older, and different.
The rocks look "older"?  ???
In which photo?

rdunk

ArMaP, I will be addressing the "rocks" in a future Tampering" thread, so, lets not go into that here. There is just too much photo difference to not give it the attention deserved. There are numerous different Photo Sol days with the black sphere there, and there are multiple later Sol days days with it not there. Just very strange to have even the rocks very different, besides the sphere not there?? Well, we will discuss in the latter thread!

Thanks!

ArMaP

Quote from: rdunk on June 02, 2012, 10:04:08 PM
ArMaP, I will be addressing the "rocks" in a future Tampering" thread, so, lets not go into that here.
I thought those rocks were the topic of this thread, but if don't want to discuss then I will stop talking about them, even if I don't understand why.