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Serious LIFE Philosophy - Neal Boortz

Started by rdunk, June 08, 2012, 06:02:03 PM

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rdunk

I don't know Mr. Neal Boortz from beans, but I have gone back and re-read his comments twice more, just to make sure i didn't miss something. I didn't!

First off, Mr. Boortz did not say, nor imply , that sickness or disease and the such like were "self inflictions". What he was saying, in spades is, everyone needs to know that all decisions in life have consequences, and every individual, in making decisions of life, has to live with his or her own consequences. The surely obvious thought is, good decisions will result in the good things of life, and bad decisions will likely result in difficulties in life.

Nope, most Americans would disagree with some of the comments in the replies here. America is not a socialist leaning country - aka leftest directions. In America, we live under a constitutional government, of the people, by the people, and for the people. And no where is there any deferrence to being poor, or being rich. In that regard, every man is on his own! There is no "stealing from the poor" by the rich. One can make up all kinds of stuff, that may sound good to some, as leftists do, but it still remains fiction.

In my opinion, I consider that Mr. Boortz did an outstanding job of putting together comments that every American should know and understand. (Otherwise, I would not have made this OP) These thoughts need to be taught and understood, even before college, so that each person can be better prepared to make the college study decisions necessary for their pursuits in life (decisions).

As Mr. Boortz says, in essence, to the college grads. in his comments, all need to know that success in life does not come by the hand of government, but by ones own hard work and well planned decisions.

For anyone who feels the rich are steeling their money, please tell me what money you earned are they stealing???? And how much money of yours have they stolen. And if you have any proof of this theft at all, why are you not taking the thieves to court?

Or, has the "stealing by the rich" become just a part of the "mantra theme song" of the far left, that tries to characterize having money at any level as being "evil' and a very bad thing", in trying to sway the thoughts of Constitutionally based Americans?

Also what does "rich" mean for those using this term as "evil' and for sure thievery"?

$100 in savings - is that "rich and evil"? Or is it:
$1,000?
$10,000?
$100,000?
$1,000,000?

Isn't it pretty clear, that there is no real definition of what "rich" is? Most everyone, depending upon their own status in life, would pick a different number for defining "rich".

There are real crooks and real thieves at every level of financial support, but blaming all people with money for life's problems is just way off base.   

Quite frankly, most who declare such in America, have a host of other leftist sinister ideas that attack the very basis of this country's foundation, and our personal freedoms and rights, that would be the ruin of our great country.

And, we have seen more and more of this during the present administration - some really nasty un-American stuff, that should be very visible to most!

We need to do better than this, in America!!!








undo11

what's the name of that guy that was running a ponzy scheme?  it was an investment firm.  he ended up going to jail.  remember that guy?  many elderly people had their money invested in his ponzy scheme via their brokers, cause he had the best interest rate return over the longest amount of time.  then when it was discovered what he was doing, all those people lost their investments, mostly middle class and elderly people.  one elderly couple on the news talked about having saved their entire lives and put the money in the bank, and it was gone.  1,000,000, their nest egg for their children's inheritance, an entire life of labor, some rich guy just farted it away.

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As I said, "there are thieves at every level of financial support"!! Breaking the law, is breaking the law, no matter the amount of the "theft". But, to claim that "rich are stealing from the poor" is pure BS! The poor have no money for anyone to steal! And then someone will say, the reason people are poor, is because the rich stole everything, and that is just more BS.

In business contracting, such propositions are referred to as "ghost stories", wherein one proposes a negative condition, related to a competitor, then proceeds to prove how his proposal can correct or prevent a competitor's (made-up) condition. Pure and simple BS.  But then, that is the leftist approach, for promoting change!

Madoff was a crook, and was found guilty of being a crook. But, he did not steal anything from most of us! He mostly stole from people whose "greed" drove them to "decisions" they now regret, because he was a crook. We all should feel very sorry for every one of them.

However, again what is rich? The people that lost millions, by the leftist definition, the Madoff thing would mostly amount to "the rich stealing from other rich people" wouldn't it??  ;)


undo11

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QuoteAnd then someone will say, the reason people are poor, is because the rich stole everything, and that is just more BS.

i don't think rich people generally steal everything or even mean to steal, as a general rule.  the point i think that guy was making (cosmic, wasn't it?), is that in order to get rich, they have to not only pinch their pennies, work hard and invest wisely (unless they inherited it all), they also have to take advantage of people who are poorer than they are. 

for example, let's say you have a business that makes 5 million dollars a year.  half of that is supposed to go to taxes, however, your accountant  has told you how to save alot of money by sheltering it in various ways, giving to charities, writing off various expenditures.  even though you owed half your 5 million in taxes, you no longer have to pay any taxes at all.



  meanwhile, some guy who makes 25,000 a year, who works for you, has to pay his taxes cause he's too poor to have tax shelters. the best he can hope for is that you'll give him a cost of living raise.  and your customers have still have to pay taxes on the services that you provide them (which you make sure increase in price ahead of the cost of living by an admirable profit, which, for some reason you forget to share with your employees who helped you get rich in the first place).

but now it seems your accountant, broker and the board of your corporation, are saying the business needs to run for less money because they want more profit to offset the cost of their trips to tahiti.   you suggest paying the employees less but that doesn't work out cause their union is protecting them. rather than lose anymore of your 5 million and put up with those union people,  you move to china and pay those people, as little as you possibly can.  why?  i mean most people can live on a small percentage of 5 million dollars, why not you?  i'll tell you why!  cause you're smart and rich, and  you got that way by making it your number 1 priority.

to be fair, there's all the costs of running a business, but you didn't have to pay any taxes, so you're already farther ahead than the poor guy.  i think some of the rich people that do that kind of thing,  must think that poor people are just really bad at managing money.   

so let's see what happens when you're not really bad at managing money and worked hard, everyday, even working over hours and "Driving home at night."

The H1B visa was established by government to help American companies like Microsoft and others find workers they needed, when there were NO AMERICANS qualified to do the job.

From the beginning this was a fraud because this case is so rare it didn't need any help from government.  In fact American Universities have always produced more graduates than American business can hire and in all specialties.

This program was sold to congress based on the FACT there were NO qualified Americans to take the job.  Big companies like Microsoft, IBM, HP, Intel, and others said they just couldn't find enough engineers, programmers, project managers, program managers, database managers, network managers, etc in America.

Even during the high tech bubble this was NEVER TRUE!

I witnessed this FRAUD personally as workers in high tech companies were forced out and replaced by foreigners.  American workers were required to train their foreign replacements.  Yes they were given the following alternative: get fired this week or stay on for 90 days and train the INDIAN worker we hired to take your job.

A few said they wouldn't train their own replacement, but most needed the additional 90 days work.

What is true is that Americans with these skills made a lot of money and this cost business a lot of money.

Bill Gates and the other rich and greedy don't like paying high wages when they can pay low wages.

Today one in three (33%) of Microsoft workers are on contract.

So they LIED!  They signed a statement that no qualified American candidates could be found.  Each year the congress increased the number of H1B visas.  The visa allows a FOREIGN worker to work in the US for 6 years, but ONLY for the sponsoring company.

Today there are 1,600,000 middle class jobs inside America being done by foreign workers.  That is growing each year.

I can hear the right-wing Republicans and Tea Party screaming this is good for profits.  Yes it is.

There are five basic reasons Microsoft, IBM, Apple and the others love the H1B program.       

1.   These workers work for a contract firm not Microsoft – THEY ARE NOT EMPLOYEES – but work only for one company

2.   They work for 30% to 40% less than American workers

3.   They work more hours for less pay – if they ever complain they are sent back to India

4.   They must do whatever they are told or their contract will be cancelled and they will be sent back to poverty

5.   They never make any demands on these companies for equal pay, good working conditions, 40 hour weeks, and they don't report criminal violations of labor law



The saving are huge and they go directly to the CEO and the rich owners.

An American worker might cost $90,000 plus all the taxes included in employee wages and medical benefits (an additional 30%), while a foreign contractor would cost $60,000 flat with no additional costs to the company.



so what happens, when you work hard, and drive home at night?
that's right.  they replace you. :)
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Quote from: undo11 on June 08, 2012, 09:38:47 PM
it turned out it was the lady who came in in the morning to cook the donuts.  she stole the money and let me take the blame cause it was my shift and my cash register.  the assistant manager called me to let me know,  2 weeks after i was fired, and apologized.  of course, it was too late to give me my job back as i had been replaced and they would've had to fire the new person to rehire me.   

At which point you had cause to SUE THEIR ASS OFF for wrongful dismissal and defamation of character... and you would have won a nice settlement :D

zorgon

Getting Rich

There is no mystery about getting rich. You only need TWO things..

1) a book of secret tricks (that are really NOT secret and easy enough to find)

2) the WILL to WANT to be rich

#2 is where people fail.

Yes you may think you want to be rich... but that is NOT the same thing as having the WILL to be rich. Yawl will probably argue the point :P but you would be wrong. It takes a certain mentality to become rich... a certain way of thinking.


As to #1... I have that book of secret tricks :D and if any one has that WILL (I don't :P ) I will share

But I expect a cut when ya hit it big... fair enough?

undo11

#23
i should probably add that i don't particularly think it's right  that people expect other people to pay for them when they are in need of help , but i do think it's morally and ethically good of the highest order to do so of your own accord.  but as you can see, when given the option, the guys with the money, are not interested in helping pay for people who need it.  they're interested in figuring out how not to pay their share of the burden, afterall that's how you get rich, by pinchin' that penny and taken advantage of people who don't have your power and influence. least, that seems to be accurate.  am i wrong?

our laws currently have poor and rich alike, tied to a tax system and as far as i can tell, the rich guys aren't suffering from the tax system and can afford to lobby for things they want whereas the rest of us are trying to play catch up (not catch up to the rich folks, but just catch up to our debt ratios lol). 
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Quote from: undo11 on June 09, 2012, 07:26:39 PM
in order to get rich, they have to not only pinch their pennies, work hard and invest wisely (unless they inherited it all), they also have to take advantage of people who are poorer than they are. 

Not true at all
1) "pinching pennies"

The opposite is true... to get rich you have to spend it... but spend it wisely.

example... you buy a car... you drive it off the lot, the value drops instantly. A rich guy buys a Ferarri... the value does NOT drop and quickly increases :D  Just a big example but it works at many levels

You buy a painting at Walmart for $100.00 and you might get $10.00 at a yard sale when you want to dump it. A rich guy buys a Rembrant... then sells it for double at an art auction when he dumps it

2) "invest wisely"

Well that one is true enough at all levels. "A fool and his money are soon parted" comes to mind. This is a no brainer.  Want to know what is good to invest in? Well look at what the rich are investing in.

One great thing about the modern world that most 'poor folk' miss is that you no longer need to be rich to play the stock market.  No longer do you need a $5,000 minimum to get in to it.

You can now play with a few hundred dollars and buy penny shares. All you need is the wisdom to know which ones are good. In the past it was mining... today I would look at space related companies, though mining is still good.

3) "take advantage of people who are poorer than they are"

This is pure bullcrap. Yes there are those unscrupulous who pray on the weak... that is a given. But you don't need to take advantage of anyone to get rich

The secret is simply to use other peoples money :D

Now if anyone really wants the secrets I will share, but will not post it publicly.

zorgon

Quote from: undo11 on June 09, 2012, 08:32:57 PM
  am i wrong?

our laws currently have poor and rich alike, tied to a tax system and as far as i can tell, the rich guys aren't suffering from the tax system and can afford to lobby for things they want whereas the rest of us are trying to play catch up (not catch up to the rich folks, but just catch up to our debt ratios lol).

yes you are wrong... you are stuck in the 'poor man' thinking mode :D

To be sure it takes money to make money... and it takes a certain mind set but tax breaks are there for the average Joe too

First step is register a business It doesn't matter if it is anything more than a name and license to start.  Just come up with something, even an online business of consultation on Sumerians will do :P

Now you are eligible for tax breaks :D

In my convention work,,, being that we are technically sub contractors even though we are hired by companies... that allows me a lot of write offs like gas to get to work, my tools and even lunches (85% of)

When you get a car or truck for that work... if YOU buy it... it has little tax value though you can deduct a percentage... but if your company LEASES it, the cost of the lease is a business expense

THAT is how the system works.



rdunk

zorgon, I think I am going to hold off on taking you up on the get rich offer. That is because if the current POTUS stays in office, if anyone has any money, the government is going to find plenty of ways to take it all. So, until we know for sure, getting rich right now might just be a waste of time.

And besides that, with the way some seem to think about the rich,  we maybe should be expecting the poor to start stealing from the rich anyway, just to get all of "their" money back, that the "rich has stolen from them"! (so they say)!  ;D

The leftist are trying to make it seem to be a bad thing to have money. So, I guess the only way to overcome that will be for everyone to just be poor! Quit work, put the kids out on the street to try to panhandle as many pennies as they can, so we can at least buy a few beans, and a few potatoes, for our one meal per day - and a little oil for our lanterns. So be it, if one is a leftist!


undo11

QuoteThis is pure bullcrap

oh i don't think so.  you should read some of the laws that had to be put in place, because of things like price gouging.   back in the day when railroads were the only way to get around, the railroad companies would charge commuters who had only the railroad as their option for travel to and from their work (which might be only a few miles away), huge amounts of money for their daily fare.

factories in new york would hire nothing but children because they were cheaper labor, more obedient,  easier to intimidate and could work longer hours.  i mean the cream of the crop does not always rise to the top. if'n ya know what i mean.

oh it gets worse. 
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Quote from: rdunk on June 09, 2012, 08:51:22 PM
zorgon, I think I am going to hold off on taking you up on the get rich offer. That is because if the current POTUS stays in office, if anyone has any money, the government is going to find plenty of ways to take it all. So, until we know for sure, getting rich right now might just be a waste of time.

And besides that, with the way some seem to think about the rich,  we maybe should be expecting the poor to start stealing from the rich anyway, just to get all of "their" money back, that the "rich has stolen from them"! (so they say)!  ;D

The leftist are trying to make it seem to be a bad thing to have money. So, I guess the only way to overcome that will be for everyone to just be poor! Quit work, put the kids out on the street to try to panhandle as many pennies as they can, so we can at least buy a few beans, and a few potatoes, for our one meal per day - and a little oil for our lanterns. So be it, if one is a leftist!

to be honest i don't think it's a right vs. left thing anymore.  i think they've managed to manipulate us with their back and forth hegelian dialectic thing, until we've all been bamboozled into being debt ridden slaves, who they want to toss under the bus now.    the left/right, rich/poor thing has caused the mess we have.  it's like a stranglehold.  this side asks for more breaks for people who are already rich, causing more of the burden to end up in the laps of people with alot less money than they have, and that side asks for more taxes, that the rich people dodge, thereby getting even richer.

lol  it's okay to be rich, but do so responsibly, as that is why you have been blessed, right? right? 

apparently not.
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Quote from: rdunk on June 09, 2012, 08:51:22 PM
zorgon, I think I am going to hold off on taking you up on the get rich offer. That is because if the current POTUS stays in office, if anyone has any money, the government is going to find plenty of ways to take it all. So, until we know for sure, getting rich right now might just be a waste of time.

See? This is why the poor stay poor :P  WRONG THINKING

But you forget one thing... you can use the same tools not to get rich, but to be simply debt free, have a good credit rating in their system, and get enough to be comfortable.

I am not rich... I now have the secrets, but I am a big procrastinator. I don't have the WILL to be rich.  Just enough to keep bills paid and food on the table.

I do need to up that a notch though as I get older here. I would like to see Australia and other places so will need to get a little richer in the next year... so need to practise what I preach :P

QuoteAnd besides that, with the way some seem to think about the rich,  we maybe should be expecting the poor to start stealing from the rich anyway, just to get all of "their" money back, that the "rich has stolen from them"! (so they say)!  ;D

Yes true... the poor blame the rich.. then they steal from the rich... then do the same thing with the stolen money and are soon poor again...  without changing the attitude, they will always remain poor. One does not need to be rich to have a comfortable life. You just need to set YOUR personal level of comfort

QuoteThe leftist are trying to make it seem to be a bad thing to have money. So, I guess the only way to overcome that will be for everyone to just be poor! Quit work, put the kids out on the street to try to panhandle as many pennies as they can, so we can at least buy a few beans, and a few potatoes, for our one meal per day - and a little oil for our lanterns. So be it, if one is a leftist!

I know many rich people that are philanthropists. They literally give money away. They also help those that truly seek answers... "Think and Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill made Carnegie wealthy

The government has upwards of 2 BILLION in available grants if you take the time to research them Most of that money is never paid out because people don't know where to look  or are simply to lazy to try

My daughter is getting her Art career funded by grants we found and my wife, born in 1960 is a year away from completing an online business degree paid for by available grants for out of work females

One can sit at home and mope and whine about what the other guy has... or one can get off their butts and do the research to find what is out there


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