stone circles relative to lake Michigan

[sky otter]

 
sorry hobbit if i jumped the gun but i had to go look..this is what i found..please add on


http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Stonehenge-in-Lake-Michigan.html

Stonehenge in Lake Michigan?
Potentially pre-historic stone formation discovered deep underwater
By Matt Bartosik |  Thursday, Jan 8, 2009  |  Updated 8:36 AM CDT


The iconic Stonehenge in the UK is one of the most famous prehistoric monuments in the world, but it is not the only stone formation of its kind. Similar stone alignments have been found throughout England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales... and now, it seems, in Lake Michigan.

According to BLDGBLOG, in 2007, Mark Holley, professor of underwater archeology at Northwestern Michigan College, discovered a series of stones arranged in a circle 40 feet below the surface of Lake Michigan. One stone outside the circle seems to have carvings that resemble a mastodon—an elephant-like animal that went extinct about 10,000 years ago.
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further down..links from here

The formation, if authenticated, wouldn't be completely out of place. Stone circles and other petroglyph sites are located in the area.

While Chicago has an interesting and colorful history of its own, it's exciting to think that a North American version of Stonehenge could be sitting just over 200 miles away.



http://www.beaverisland.net/Projects/The_Stone_Circle/the_stone_circle.htm
lots of pictures with this ..only copying a small part for here
this made me think of the baltic see stone thingie..check it out

Over ten years ago, a large-scale landscape artifact on Beaver Island's west side was brought to the attention of a few archaeologists.  It was a group of stones, some large boulders, centered on a rock that seemed to have unusual carvings. Some of the rocks had holes, scribed lines, and other interesting features --in particular, the image of sheaves of feathers.  When news of the resulting investigation reached the media, the artifact became known as "The Stone Circle."
     A period of claims and counterclaims followed.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanilac_Petroglyphs_Historic_State_Park

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http://bldgblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/stonehenge-beneath-waters-of-lake.html

some really good pictures here





In a surprisingly under-reported story from 2007, Mark Holley, a professor of underwater archaeology at Northwestern Michigan University College, discovered a series of stones – some of them arranged in a circle and one of which seemed to show carvings of a mastodon – 40-feet beneath the surface waters of Lake Michigan.
If verified, the carvings could be as much as 10,000 years old – coincident with the post-Ice Age presence of both humans and mastodons in the upper midwest.


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http://www.greatarchaeology.com/news/2009/01/discovered-unusual-stone-formation-in-lake-michigan/

Archaeologistshttp://www.greatarchaeology.com/archaeologist_view.php had been hired to survey the Lake of their floor near Traverse City, Michigan, an examine old boat wrecks with in a sonar device. They discovered sunken boats and cars and even a Civil War era pier. But among these expected finds was a potentially prehistoric archaeology surprise. "When you see it in the water, you are tempted to say this is absolutely real," Holley told reporters at the time. "What we need the experts to come in and verify."
Specialists involved in the case are skeptical and want to gather more info before making in to a judgement. They want to actually see it, said Holley. Experts in petroglyphs generally do not dive, so we are running into a bit of a stumbling block there. The formation, if authenticated, would not be completely out of place. Stone circles and other petroglyph sites are located in the area.

[hobbit]

sky otter,
              We have a huge advantage here in Europe of having a multitude of megalithic structures to visit and investigate.
I am certain America will be the self same, but.
There has been huge coverup of the true history of America.

The so called stone circles are not circles.....basically they are polygons that FIT an invisable matric locally.

The actual geometry of so called stone circles is complex, and a certain Alexander Thom plotted out a multitude, I will dig out a link.
hobbit

[Amaterasu]

Yes, hobbity, Our history is VERY covered up.  The Moors lived here, there were Egyptians, too. Montauk has pyramids...  And other places, too.  So...

The idea of primitive tribes only is VERY misleading.

[sky otter]

 

hobbit  a link would be appreciated..thanks

amaterasu
anyone who thinks we are the advancement on cave men just hasn't thought about it

[Amaterasu]

Indeed, sky.  Indeed.

[hobbit]

Whoops,
Sorry thought I had sent a link.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/chronicle/8604.shtml

Prof Thom back engineered the geometryt, I can explain how simple it is, and why all around the globe the most simple can find it, as it's omni present.
hobbit

[zorgon]

Whoops,
Sorry thought I had sent a link.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/chronicle/8604.shtml

Pity... says the video is not available in my area 

[zorgon]

  The Moors lived here, there were Egyptians, too. Montauk has pyramids... 

umm...

Links please

[hobbit]

Pity... says the video is not available in my area 

Pity, as He was the most wonderfull man,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Thom

He based a measure on a pendulem, I say He was right , but wrong.
Right in a measure, but wrong in that He was typical of those now who need a 3D physical confirmation , and thus need that to be yjr answer.

He plotted and mapped countless megalithic sites and worked out the geometries involved.
I say that the matrix formulates the local geometries that those sensitive enough to such can construct to comply with locally.

I can do it with absolute ease.

The present mind typified with ...Randi... cannot comprehend of this, which I fully understand.

The word CIRCLES veils the very basic polygon shapes involved that are then complicated by the way the flows travel upon the matrix always responding to the path of least resistance.
hobbit

[hobbit]

I can't dive into this lake to explain WHY the stones were placed in the precise location they are, but I can if possible explain the matrix.
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/stonecircles.htm

The stones are positioned upon very unique local geometries to FIT the consequences of how the matrix at that location is affecting the local flows of what is commonly called PLASMA.

The stones, and previous to that the wood employed is to manipulate locally the plasma that has a duality of spin fundemental to how it operates in creation and annihilation of matter and mass.

The geometry that prof Thom found to be evident is not something that We presently would first survey out and plot out so that a later construcion could be built to FIT the plans, instead it is exactly the opposite in that the geometry is FIXED and always there, and thus provides the absolute DEVINE local measure that the constructions were built to FIT.

That geometry is still exactly in place, it never alters at all.
What is in a constant state of flux is the dual spin flows of plasma.

The geometry complies to the golden ratio and the golden Phi and silver pi. , all related to fibonacci sequencing.

The constructions were and ARE to manipulate the plasma flows locally, often depicted as St George slaying the dragon.

hobbit

[sky otter]

well i have always been taken with the viking stories



Text - English
(word-for-word): [1]
Eight Götalanders and 22 Northmen on (this?) acquisition journey from Vinland far to the west. We had a camp by two (shelters?) one day's journey north from this stone. We were fishing one day. After we came home, found 10 men red from blood and dead. Ave Maria save from evil.

(side of stone) There are 10 men by the inland sea to look after our ships fourteen days journey from this peninsula (or island). Year 1362

Other resources
Runestones - Runic alphabet
Runology - Runestone styles
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The Kensington Runestone is a 200-pound slab of greywacke covered in runes on its face and side, most probably created in modern times to claim that Scandinavian explorers reached the middle of North America in the 14th century, whereas they have only been proven to reach Newfoundland. It was found in 1898 in the largely rural township of Solem, Douglas County, Minnesota, and named after the nearest settlement, Kensington. Almost all Runologists and experts in Scandinavian linguistics consider the runestone to be a hoax.[2][3] The runestone has been analyzed and dismissed repeatedly without local effect.[4][5][6][7][8] The community of Kensington is solidly behind the runestone, which has transcended its original cultural purposes and has "taken on a life of its own".[9][10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_Runestone


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http://www.sunnyway.com/runes/americanstones.html

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i've also thought this a great story..for now

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2033038,00.html
For now, the story of the lone American Indian woman taken on a Viking ship to Iceland remains a hypothesis. To prove it will require finding the same genetic sequence in older Amerindian remains elsewhere in the world — family members, as it were, of that 1,000-year-old woman who ended up so far from home. That sounds like a daunting task, but Helgason and his team hope that as news of their finding spreads, other geneticists will re-examine remains they have already studied for evidence of the same lineage.


Helgason's graduate student, Sigridur Sunna Ebenesersdottir, found that she could trace the matrilineal sequence to a date far earlier than when the first Asians began arriving in Iceland. In fact, she found that all the people who carry the C1 lineage are descendants of one of four women alive around the year 1700. In all likelihood, those four descended from a single woman. And because archeological remains in what is Canada today suggest that the Vikings were in the Americas around the year 1000 before retreating into a period of global isolation, the best explanation for that errant lineage lies with an American Indian woman: one who was taken back to Iceland some 500 years before Columbus set sail for the New World in 1492.


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2033038,00.html#ixzz1y5igpSn6

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there was also a really good program on, i think, histroy channel about there supposed trek thur the country
yep i found it
http://screenrant.com/history-channel-vikings-tv-show-yman-159141/



and then you think about it..just when did the great lakes form?..maybe there were even giants


Cenozoic, Quaternary, Pleistocene. The Pleistocene started about 2.588 million years ago and ended about 12,000 years ago. The Great Lakes formed near the end of the Pleistocene, probably less than 50,000 years ago.
Source(s):
GLG 101 at Arizona State University - West Campus

[Amaterasu]

umm...

Links please

If Peter Moon is a good source...

Pyramids of Montauk: Explorations in Consciousness
by Preston B. Nichols, Peter Moon
ISBN 0963188925 (0-9631889-2-5)
Softcover, Sky Books

[shrug]

[sky otter]

never heard of him so had to look him up


Peter Moon
Back to this week's guest bio page




PETER MOON


who rose to prominence in 1992 when he coauthored

THE MONTAUK PROJECT: EXPERIMENTS IN TIME

with Preston Nichols, is the publisher of the Montauk Project book series.

The Montauk Project is a colloquial term on Long Island that refers to an admixture of legends and actual scientific experiments that occurred in the wake of the 1943 Philadelphia Experiment. The Montauk Project included the exploration of psychic abilities of large groups and sought to integrate such with electronic technology so as to affect transmission and amplification of mental frequencies via ordinary radio frequencies. The spectacular nature of these experiments and their natural development eventually led to manipulation of matter and the penetration of time itself.

While the more legendary aspects of these stories are difficult to prove, Peter Moon set about to find out what could be discovered in the wake of these experiments. Instead of finding a paper trail of documentation, most of which had been deliberately destroyed, he began to encounter bizarre experiences with synchronicity. There was a residual trace of psychic clues which manifested themselves as remarkable and unmistakable sign posts that something of a highly important and irregular nature had occurred in the name of the Montauk Project.

Eventually, these clues led to the revelation and documentation that the very area where these time travel experiments occurred on ground that was sacred to the Montauk Indians, a tribe which had been the victim of genocide and was viciously and inaccurately declared extinct. Peter Moon also uncovered that this ground had once housed actual sacred pyramids.

Over the last thirteen years, Peter Moon has continued to investigate, with demonstrable results, the occult forces behind or associated with the Montauk Project. The backdrop of his work is a multilayered tapestry that includes rare insight into ancients' clans of mystery that has given birth to such noteworthy characters as Jack Parsons, L. Ron Hubbard, and Aleister Crowley.

His pursuit of synchronicity accelerated to the point where he had an interesting encounter with a man who created one of the more sophisticated artificial intelligence systems known to man: a synchronicity generator known as the Metamachine. Interestingly enough, this device had a communication schedule of its own. This encounter and the surrounding phenomena is told in his recent work,

SYNCHRONICITY AND THE SEVENTH SEAL,

a book which shows how synchronicity exposed the true Da Vinci Code, something the author and critics of the popular book completely missed. Peter next wrote

THE MONTAUK BOOK OF THE DEAD,

which not only includes his personal biography but tells the hidden history of Moorish America and how the original name America derived from Al Maurikanos, which means El Morocco.

SPANDAU MYSTERY

is Peter's most recent work which is a novel based upon the mysterious lives of General George Patton and Nazi Rudolph Hess whose lives were woven together by the most mysterious of secret projects.
Friday's on WVNJ AM 1160 at 1pm*

http://atlanticcoastufos.com/Bios/peter_moon.html

[Amaterasu]

I'm just finishing rereading Synchronicity and the Seventh Seal...  Quite a literary trip.

[Littleenki]

Hobbit, that link was a great start for understanding the stone circles and henges, thanks!
And Snchronicity? Ill be reading that soon, thanks for that bump, too, Sky and Amy!

When this thread first popped up, what was funny to me was the timeframe suggested, and the first thing to come to mind around the 10,000 year mark was Gobekli Tepe!

Then I read the link Hobbit posted, and of all the stone circles listed only one isnt in the region of the Uk...Gobekli Tepe.

Hobbit, do you suppose that Gobekli Tepe and this Michigan stonehenge are linked somehow?

Also the connection between the Hypogeum 2 in Malta, and the UK circles is odd, and i wonder if they are linked to Gobekli Tepe, too?

Malta has a rich megalithic history, and is in such a small area,  wonder if it was just a few hundred year stopover for the circle builders, or possibly their origin.

Mnajdra is pretty old, at 6000 years, and it is an amazing site.

I have to wonder how all these circles may be connected, either through a travelling people, or a common observation of the alignments, and plasma energies of the sites.

So many sites to dowse, so little time!

Littleenki