Aether Displacement

[Littleenki]

Fascinating, Mpc, and clear, as well!

I do see a great deal of validity in your idea of what aether is and how it might be a separate yet similar version of matter.

By no means am I ever saying you are patently wrong, we just share slightly different views of the same thing.

Whose to say either of us are wrong, and could it be we are both right in some way?

Do you think the vibrations that make up many seeming solid substances in the universe could be creating an appearance of different things like aether and matter, and thats how it keeps us on our toes?

Are we bandying about what the universe wants us to, like those volleyball players?

Maybe so, and as a poster on this forum says so wisely..."Me do'em what universe want'em!" (thanks sarkoy!)

Cheers, and thanks for the concise explanation of how you arrived to your theories, it is very interesting indeed!

Le

[mpc755]

This is what its all about. And MPc..... what are you going to do with such a poster? Appreciate him!!! And learn to get along with him/her without letting your path be swayed!.... Littleenki is right. ..... this is a forum..... if you wanted only your own opinion here you should write your own book! (Thats actually a sugestion because your writing is wonderful_

And Mikado is right..... you have come the closest yet to understanding what Dad was trying to say...

We are all working together here to learn. Lets not let anything pull us off the trail.  Linda

I can not appreciate anyone who insists ice is the same as liquid water. I can not appreciate anyone taking up bandwidth on a thread I started when they are unable to understand ice exists in and displaces liquid water. I can not appreciate anyone who is unable to understand one of the reasons why ice and liquid water are different is because ice displaces liquid water.

[mpc755]

Fascinating, Mpc, and clear, as well!

I do see a great deal of validity in your idea of what aether is and how it might be a separate yet similar version of matter.

By no means am I ever saying you are patently wrong, we just share slightly different views of the same thing.

Whose to say either of us are wrong, and could it be we are both right in some way?

Do you think the vibrations that make up many seeming solid substances in the universe could be creating an appearance of different things like aether and matter, and thats how it keeps us on our toes?

Are we bandying about what the universe wants us to, like those volleyball players?

Maybe so, and as a poster on this forum says so wisely..."Me do'em what universe want'em!" (thanks sarkoy!)

Cheers, and thanks for the concise explanation of how you arrived to your theories, it is very interesting indeed!

Le

You stated I was agreeing with a poster who stated aether displacement is an illusion.

I have no idea how you can think we are discussing the same thing.

If you are willing to take two steps back and re-read my original post and think about it for a while then maybe we can have a conversation. And you also need to realize there is a difference between ice and liquid water.

[Linda Brown]

Not on this thread if you are unable to understand ice is different than water.

( Littleenki..... you DO understand that ice is different than water, don't you?)Not on this thread if you are unable to understand, in a drink of water, ice exists in and displaces the water.

Littleenki.... You DO understand that ice displaces water, don't you? Not on this thread if you are unable to understand one of the reasons why ice is different than water is that in a drink of water the ice exists in and displaces the water.

[color=green]I don't have to ask him again....and you don't have to tell him that he doesn't belong here because he does.... just as much as you do.[/color]

There is a limit to how much the OP should have to deal with in support of their concept ( EXCUSE ME.... there is a limit to trying to help people understand what you are saying? REALLY?) and I think that limit is surpassed if someone is unable to understand there is a difference between ice and water.

You said it.... the time limit is surpassed......

This is silly. Move along move along move along

[Mikado]

First of all guys, this image is the front page of the definition of Entropy from Wiki....

Along with this text....
Ice melting in a warm room is a common example of increasing entropy,[note 1] described in 1862 by Rudolf Clausius as an increase in the disgregation of the water molecules in ice.[1] I guess I should think you are more learned than the folks at wiki...well, I wont stick up for wiki often, but here I will.

And mpc, it seems you still havent learned the definition of a forum....with this quote...

You dont need to "do anything with me" Mpc, and my opinion is just as welcomed here as your's.

Yes, Mikado, I am having fun, no arrogance intended. I enjoy this sort of mental volleyball, and find it to be quite good at adding to my understanding of the universe, and its wonders, while sharing my viewpoints in a neutral manner.

I know you do as well, and beneath the hard exterior of any of us, is usually a soft warm soul, whose only goal is to further our learnings.

Of course we all see things a bit differently, and sure, I could reply to someone with a hamfisted pile of opinions and not so subtle innuendo, but thats just not me.

And as such, we can soldier on with wiki pages and links to articles written in the 18th century, I will approach the issue with a fresh outlook, as we see some past approaches others have taken have no fruit to bear, and havent for centuries.

Believe me, even with the burp some had upon your joining, I respect your wealth of knowledge, and am really, really enjoying this civil effort we have settled into, and in no way want to ever seem arrogant or brazen as to any post I make.

Of course, the boiler discussion was quite informative as you and Hobbit had me on google learning about them! Cool!

Fun?

Yes indeed, and someday we will see all this become a combination of many ideas theories and discoveries, and that will be cause for a celebration majeur!

Cheers, and have a great day!
Littleenki

And did you always take wiki as hard proof?

Entropy as defined from a macroscopic viewpoint (thermodynamic) would be the example of ice, however, there is another view from an engineering principle that is taught in Engineering.

What mpc755 used with the water and ice is nothing more than a metaphor and you et al are taking it to a level where he wasn't even going.

Entropy in engineering views things a bit different than thermodynamics. If you had any engineering you would know this. For example, an internal combustion engine is entropic. An electric motor is non-entropic. You can't put exhaust gases back up the exhaust and get gas only in your tank, the engine is entropic. A motor can be reversed, you can put a current into the motor and get rotational movement or you can turn the armature and get electric out of it. Two very simple examples.

You are not just having fun you are doing something else.

Believe me, even with the burp some had upon your joining, I respect your wealth of knowledge, and am really, really enjoying this civil effort we have settled into, and in no way want to ever seem arrogant or brazen as to any post I make.

Really? The burp?

As to not wanting to seem arrogant and brazen, you already have. I know I am direct and don't mollycoddle my words but it is not arrogance as much getting the fly poop out of the pepper.

AS to using Google on the boiler's, I didn't use it, you are projecting exactly how you operate and I thank you for that so now I know what I am up against <g>

I can further guarantee you that I will never celebrate with you but then if you really want to know why, send a PM.

Mikado

[mpc755]

EXCUSE ME.... there is a limit to trying to help people understand what you are saying? REALLY?

Yes. And that limit is when it is obvious the poster is not trying to understand what the thread is about and is more interested in making statements having nothing to do with the thread and being so obstinate that they refuse to understand ice displaces liquid water because they are different.

[Mikado]

You stated I was agreeing with a poster who stated aether displacement is an illusion.

I have no idea how you can think we are discussing the same thing.

If you are willing to take two steps back and re-read my original post and think about it for a while then maybe we can have a conversation. And you also need to realize there is a difference between ice and liquid water.

I see your frustration. Try to understand and put it in perspective. Anyone who is promoting the use of dowsing rods to explain the aether really seems to be attempting to drag their theories into a theory to help explain what it is they believe.

Frustrating.

Just do what the Wizard said to Dorothy...Ignore the man behind the curtain.

Mikado

[Linda Brown]

What mpc755 used with the water and ice is nothing more than a metaphor and you et al are taking it to a level where he wasn't even going.

How do all of us know where HE was going with his metaphor Mikado. You and he have a far better understanding with this than I think we ever will...


I am not one who understands science and the words that you are both using here I would have to learn carefully myself. I do understand that water can turn to ice and back again.

I understand that wood can turn to heat, light, smoke and ash..... and once that happens it can never be wood again..... there always seems a direction to things.

What some of us non scientific types are simply trying to say is that SOMETIMES things go in all directions at once. Aether is like that..... At the same time it is going forward it is going backward.... up down sideways....

Explain that. 
I do understand that sometimes you can go in two directions at once. What is that called?

Linda

[Linda Brown]

Odd that you would choose to say this Mikado

:Just do what the Wizard said to Dorothy...Ignore the man behind the curtain.

Linda

[mpc755]

I see your frustration. Try to understand and put it in perspective. Anyone who is promoting the use of dowsing rods to explain the aether really seems to be attempting to drag their theories into a theory to help explain what it is they believe.

Frustrating.

Just do what the Wizard said to Dorothy...Ignore the man behind the curtain.

Mikado

Championing a concept is like running a political campaign. If you don't take on all challengers you appear weak. In a political campaign you can not say, "I don't have to respond to that". Yes, you do and so don't I on this thread.

Thanks.

[Amaterasu]

I figured out aether displacement almost 30 years ago on my own.

Post a link to where Dr. Brown describes the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment as a moving particle and its associated aether wave.

Post a link to where Dr. Brown describes the relationship between mass and energy as matter is condensations of aether, matter evaporating into aether is energy, mass is conserved.

Post a link to where Dr. Brown describes the Universe we exist in as being in a larger version of a polar jet black hole, where it is not the Big Bang, it is the Big Ongoing.

I've been trying to stay out of this but had to ask this question:

You say, "...the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment as a moving particle and its associated aether wave."  So...  How do You explain the fact that when the particle is observed as to which slit it has gone through the aether wave fails to manifest?  (i.e., the interference pattern is no longer seen, but instead the "expected" two spots.)

[mpc755]

What mpc755 used with the water and ice is nothing more than a metaphor and you et al are taking it to a level where he wasn't even going.

How do all of us know where HE was going with his metaphor Mikado. You and he have a far better understanding with this than I think we ever will...


I am not one who understands science and the words that you are both using here I would have to learn carefully myself. I do understand that water can turn to ice and back again.

I understand that wood can turn to heat, light, smoke and ash..... and once that happens it can never be wood again..... there always seems a direction to things.

What some of us non scientific types are simply trying to say is that SOMETIMES things go in all directions at once. Aether is like that..... At the same time it is going forward it is going backward.... up down sideways....

Explain that. 
I do understand that sometimes you can go in two directions at once. What is that called?

Linda

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid. The aether is not going forward and backward at the same time.

Aether is displaced by matter.

[Mikado]

What mpc755 used with the water and ice is nothing more than a metaphor and you et al are taking it to a level where he wasn't even going.

How do all of us know where HE was going with his metaphor Mikado. You and he have a far better understanding with this than I think we ever will...


I am not one who understands science and the words that you are both using here I would have to learn carefully myself. I do understand that water can turn to ice and back again.

I understand that wood can turn to heat, light, smoke and ash..... and once that happens it can never be wood again..... there always seems a direction to things.

What some of us non scientific types are simply trying to say is that SOMETIMES things go in all directions at once. Aether is like that..... At the same time it is going forward it is going backward.... up down sideways....

Explain that. 
I do understand that sometimes you can go in two directions at once. What is that called?

Linda

Linda, his metaphor fits exactly with your Father's work and the fact that he did this 30 years ago fits with others as you know. For some reason, it appears that it is always 30 years. Almost as if there was this "event" that happened and those that had their "ears" on heard it.

Anyway, I digress.

Two directions at once? Sure, it is how an EM wave propagates and it is called TEM wave.

Mikado

[mpc755]

I've been trying to stay out of this but had to ask this question:

You say, "...the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment as a moving particle and its associated aether wave."  So...  How do You explain the fact that when the particle is observed as to which slit it has gone through the aether wave fails to manifest?  (i.e., the interference pattern is no longer seen, but instead the "expected" two spots.)

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles, of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the physical reality of waves and particles."

"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path which takes it through one slit. The associated aether wave passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

The analogy is a boat double slit experiment. If the bow wave is strong enough exiting the slits it will create wave interference. As the boat exits a single slit the direction it travels will be altered by the wave interference. If you place buoys at the exits to the slits in order to detect the boat the bow wave exiting both slits will be turned to chop. The boat will get knocked around by the chop and the boat will be 'detected' in the 'expected' two spots.

[Littleenki]

Ow, Mikado you hurt my last feeling! LOL!
Besides,I could care less as to celebrating with someone who is a closet antagonist.
Just being civil, but innuendo?
Pm you?
Your not worth the time buddy.
If you want to pm me, you can, I have nothing to hide.

Le