Aether Displacement

[mpc755]

So you have a working model or not ?

Is general relativity a working model? Because I figured out what causes the condition of the state of the aether of relativity.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable"

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.

[Somamech]

Is general relativity a working model? Because I figured out what causes the condition of the state of the aether of relativity.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable"

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.

SO you claim to have figured it out but you dont have a working model to share ?

A working model  that is not qoutes from wikipedia would help ?

[mpc755]

SO you claim to have figured it out but you dont have a working model to share ?

A working model  that is not qoutes from wikipedia would help ?

The working models are general relativity and wave mechanics.

What I have figured out is what causes the state of the aether in general relativity.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable"

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.

What I have figured out is what de Broglie referred to as the "energetic contact" in wave mechanics.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.

[zorgon]

Its invisible

Aether cat says your being silly

[hobbit]

Aether flows that are 720 degree based conform to a geometry that creates life.
The flower of life patterns that cannot help but arise in a cymatics type consequence.
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/wadenhill/wadenhill2012a.html
It's difficult to visulaise, as it's none visable to our eyes.
I deal in the invisible, as a ,
hobbit

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Rotation is the one thing connecting the movements & energies of the planets.

Everybody is thinking 'what causes the rotation?'
Now i am at this moment more interested in the effects of that rotation, for they are many & varied.
We maybe can't study the cause, but we can study the effects.
That will bring us closer to the cause, methinks..

Ah, seawater is of course slightly conductive, ever so slightly magnetic, & may well move in patterns dictated by electrical changes in our atmosphere.
But i would think thermo-flows (gulf stream etc) are stronger by far.
So what happens when water is flowing in one direction, but EM currents are flowing in another?

We should ask Harwell if they have some old underwater gauss meters lying around....
And the Japanese can sell you an MHD yacht, totally silent, electric.
A bit like an underwater gravitor, except it is purely electromagnetic.

MPC:

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of a solid; an incompressible fluid.

The faster an object moves with respect to the state of the aether in which it exists the more aether the object displaces.

The mass of the aether displaced by an object and the mass of the object itself is the relativistic mass of an object.

Yes, this would appear to be so, but where is energy in this equation?

Einstein never really thought of gravity as a wave, but a distortion of the space-time, something i have my doubts with. I thend also towards an 'ether' theory, but more along the lines of Bearden, Aspden & more recently LaViolette.
What is interesting is that these theories have a lot in common, and explain gravity, mass, time etc better than GR & QM can.
Hobbit's 'memory field' is describing the 'information' component of energy, in all it's forms.
The 55/34 ratio is not unlike SQK theory, which supports Brown's analogy of positive particles having a bigger attraction component than their negative counterparts. Hence the terms 'gravity hill' & 'gravity well'.

Conventional physics also states that 'gravity waves' (the elusive graviton:) travel no faster than light.
This is clearly wrong, because nearly all AG researchers (including Tesla himself) concluded that gravity travels much faster than light.
Just ask an astronomer.

I agree with Mikado on this;

Secondly, since you brought up the nuclear explosion, would you say that if one could remove the effects of the aether condensing matter than that matter would dissolve? My answer is yes.

This would be analagous to 'removing the local memory field' to Hobbit, and 'disrupting the ether matrix' for the rest of us. Is it possible to 'disintegrate' mass without the destructive explosion of released energy?
Probably, but it's not something i would like to experiment with

Going out on a limb.

I have been reading this forum in various different arenas or threads. I see many theories here and there are some areas that I have found interesting as well as enlightening.

When it comes to the aether, there are several different ideas that seem to "float" around. Primarily, I have seen a goodly amount of twisted established science being expressed. If someone cannot express established science than how can one be expected to correctly identify that which is anomalous to that established science?
What mpc755 has posted, so far, is one of the closest "cliff notes" interpretation of Dr. Brown's theory on the aether.

So far, mpc755 is spot on. I would recommend that those that are serious in following Dr. Brown take heed.
Just my two cents,

Mikado

Heed taken, i want to see this theory develop, try 'modern aether science' by Aspden;

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?f5lqxunpflwrwdr

There will be plenty of gravity theories posted soon so let's get back to ether & displacement...

Meanwhile, i can see the discussion deterioating at this point (page 8 or so), & i have to be up early, but i look forward to joining the discussion on entropy, and engineering.
Sleep well, freinds, & don't bite each other, i would like something intelligent to read tomorrow
PWM

[hobbit]

Look at these with a mind free from indoctrination.
THINK of what is been shown.
The hill shown in the first link to this crop circle is Silbury hill....I often sit on the top of it THINKING.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2012/wadenhill/groundshots.html
Every stalk of the crop exists in it's own memory field where transmutation occurs that We call growth.
As the aether overloads( or is purposely overloaded locally) the atoms that compose the crop are attracted instantly in a magnetic type manner to displace in space relative to the direction of the aether flow overloading.
That flow will ALWAYS correspond to the geometry and thus follow a local vortex.
Those vortexs can and do exist at all scale.

I have wandered about in crop circle of all shapes and sizes checking and checking and checking the myriad of things that contibute to these spirals, and why a central area remains stood up.
I do this in many crops that are not these recognised crop circles, and if YOU observe carefully You will see this everywhere.

Maybe some little green men heard me thinking of these patterns???
hobbit

[Linda Brown]

So far I am hearing just alot of words. All well meaning, Still words.

One says.... where is your working model? And the other says.... quoting Mikado

:This would be analagous to 'removing the local memory field' to Hobbit, and 'disrupting the ether matrix' for the rest of us. Is it possible to 'disintegrate' mass without the destructive explosion of released energy?Probably, but it's not something i would like to experiment with

You say that Hobbits views are not perhaps valid in the " scientific world".... the Hobbit could care less... as could I actually..... but this is interesting.... pushing forward to a " working model" for what would prove the theory. RIGHT? And yet you all agree with this concept?

This would be analagous to 'removing the local memory field' to Hobbit, and 'disrupting the ether matrix' for the rest of us. Is it possible to 'disintegrate' mass without the destructive explosion of released energy?Probably, but it's not something i would like to experiment with

Well, gee. It would be a working model right? Sort of like the Atomic Bomb was right?  Linda
If it doesn't have the "destructive explosion of released energy: then it has to be......OK.... right? Do you even know what he has just said?

[mpc755]

Rotation is the one thing connecting the movements & energies of the planets.

Everybody is thinking 'what causes the rotation?'
Now i am at this moment more interested in the effects of that rotation, for they are many & varied.
We maybe can't study the cause, but we can study the effects.
That will bring us closer to the cause, methinks..

Ah, seawater is of course slightly conductive, ever so slightly magnetic, & may well move in patterns dictated by electrical changes in our atmosphere.
But i would think thermo-flows (gulf stream etc) are stronger by far.
So what happens when water is flowing in one direction, but EM currents are flowing in another?

We should ask Harwell if they have some old underwater gauss meters lying around....
And the Japanese can sell you an MHD yacht, totally silent, electric.
A bit like an underwater gravitor, except it is purely electromagnetic.

MPC:
Yes, this would appear to be so, but where is energy in this equation?

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.

The particle can be subatomic or the 'particle' can be the Earth.

The state of displacement of the aether is the energy.

Einstein never really thought of gravity as a wave, but a distortion of the space-time, something i have my doubts with.

Curved space-time is displaced aether.

I thend also towards an 'ether' theory, but more along the lines of Bearden, Aspden & more recently LaViolette.
What is interesting is that these theories have a lot in common, and explain gravity, mass, time etc better than GR & QM can.
Hobbit's 'memory field' is describing the 'information' component of energy, in all it's forms.
The 55/34 ratio is not unlike SQK theory, which supports Brown's analogy of positive particles having a bigger attraction component than their negative counterparts. Hence the terms 'gravity hill' & 'gravity well'.

Conventional physics also states that 'gravity waves' (the elusive graviton:) travel no faster than light.
This is clearly wrong, because nearly all AG researchers (including Tesla himself) concluded that gravity travels much faster than light.
Just ask an astronomer.

I agree with Mikado on this;
This would be analagous to 'removing the local memory field' to Hobbit, and 'disrupting the ether matrix' for the rest of us. Is it possible to 'disintegrate' mass without the destructive explosion of released energy?
Probably, but it's not something i would like to experiment with

Heed taken, i want to see this theory develop, try 'modern aether science' by Aspden;

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?f5lqxunpflwrwdr

There will be plenty of gravity theories posted soon so let's get back to ether & displacement...

Meanwhile, i can see the discussion deterioating at this point (page 8 or so), & i have to be up early, but i look forward to joining the discussion on entropy, and engineering.
Sleep well, freinds, & don't bite each other, i would like something intelligent to read tomorrow
PWM

[Mikado]

Ow, Mikado you hurt my last feeling! LOL!
Besides,I could care less as to celebrating with someone who is a closet antagonist.
Just being civil, but innuendo?
Pm you?
Your not worth the time buddy.
If you want to pm me, you can, I have nothing to hide.

Le

No, a realist.

As to being worth the time, time as in time served?

Nah, I won't stoop that low to comment on time with you.

Mikado

[Mikado]

Man, I doubeldogdare any other Forum to match these conversations!!!!!  This is GREAT!!!!!

Sticking my head back in this.... a mild objection...

Mikado.... You said....

"Anyone who is promoting the use of dowsing rods to explain the aether really seems to be attempting to drag their theories into a theory to help explain what it is they believe.

I object to your saying what Hobbit is " seeming to do" You have know real knowledge of what he is doing.... just as he has no real knowledge of what your agenda is....... so lets forget trying to explain what others " seem to be doing..... OK???

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1623.msg22871#msg22871

If gravity was only a push, we would all look like pancakes.

And if it was all pull, we would be a double stack of self same pancakes.

So it is a balance between the two forces of the universe...creation versus annihalation, and as of now Hobbit has the closest theory of how the difference keeps us shaped like we are, in our meat suits. 55 vs 34.

Try dowsing, it will shed the lead armor, and bring in a new suit of titanium chain mail. I have, and it makes everything easier to understand, as the universe talks to us through the rods, which are just a metal metaphor for our desire to learn.


Cheers!
Littleenki

You are objecting to the wrong boy, I was commenting on the above statement that was made to mpc755

Mikado

[Littleenki]

No, a realist.

As to being worth the time, time as in time served?

Nah, I won't stoop that low to comment on time with you.

Mikado

Keep milking it Mikado, your an antaginist cut and dry, and you know it.
Stop wasting the forum's time also, it's rude and unnecessary.
Le

[Mikado]

Never heard of it before but it appears to be an ion thruster, correct?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster

If so then this is different than the aether. Ions are still particles of matter which exist in and displace the aether.

I can categorically so no, it is not an ion thruster.

Mikado

[Mikado]

You missed IMHO.
Unless You have some evidence to back up Your as fact statement??

IMHO( in my hoibbit opinion)
The aether is not merely a single subject, it is far more complex., and it most certainly travels in counter spin flows in precise opposite direction in layers, and the clouds of water in different conditions of state of water reveal this.

Matter doesn't exist except as a local memory , and no matter how arranged that matter is, it is always within a memory field of torus form that implodes into and out of a heart centre that maintains the memory .
The memory is fed down in scaler fashion , and in this planets condition that results in a constant growth of mass.
The net inrush is what we term gravity.

Mass is created in a fixed lattice matrix of universe, that a resonant based fluid like substance travels about in the mirror like faces of the scalar geometric substance that forms the fixed near solid universe.

If mpc would simply ponder where mass origonates, then He/She??
would instead of trying to bully this theory he has , and deem anyone who offers alternate theory as someone to be kicked out of a thread.
May instead contemplate a creation and annihilation continuum , where mass is a consequence that remains in it's state as long as the memory field that here has a net implosion ratio remains reasonably steady.

I can follow the flowing part of what is called the aether, and can also detect and plot and follow each and every memory field about that which I atune to.
I can then determine how each memory firld sym biotically interacts with the larger memory fields it exists within.
I have wandered about multiple megalithic sites made of huge blocks of mass in varios forms, and have gleaned any understanding of the consequences of their placenents  etc, no matter how much scorn is thrown my way....I ramble onwards.
hobbit

He missed? He was asked to show a model to prove what he has said. Equal footing.

Mikado

[mpc755]

Keep milking it Mikado, your an antaginist cut and dry, and you know it.
Stop wasting the forum's time also, it's rude and unnecessary.
Le

Funny, I would say the exact same thing to you regarding this thread.

Mikado gets it.