Aether Displacement

[mpc755]

He missed? He was asked to show a model to prove what he has said. Equal footing.

Mikado

The models for aether displacement already exist. They are general relativity and wave mechanics/pilot-wave theory.

There is an aether in general relativity.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable"

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state."

The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

Where pilot-wave theory is incorrect is in thinking there are hidden variables. There are no such things as hidden variables. Downconverted photon pairs are created with opposite angular momentums. Remove the nonsense of hidden variables from pilot-wave theory and you have the wave piloting the particle of aether displacement.

[Mikado]

mpc755, I was actually referencing hobbit's post where he was presenting a theory but yet everyone else was demanding a working model from you. Equal footing, he should have to present one as well.

Just a simple observation,

Mikado

[mpc755]

mpc755, I was actually referencing hobbit's post where he was presenting a theory but yet everyone else was demanding a working model from you. Equal footing, he should have to present one as well.

Just a simple observation,

Mikado

The working models associated with aether displacement already exist. What I have done is figured out what Einstein was referring to when he discussed the state of the aether as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places and what de Broglie was referring to as the "energetic contact" with a hidden medium are both referring to the state of displacement of the aether.

[Amaterasu]

I don't know enough about it to comment.

Well...  I gave plenty of links to get Ya started.  [smile]

[zorgon]

Equal footing, he should have to present one as well.

Perhaps he should indeed...

but I see the difference between the two styles of presentation...

don't you?

[hobbit]

mpc755, I was actually referencing hobbit's post where he was presenting a theory but yet everyone else was demanding a working model from you. Equal footing, he should have to present one as well.

Just a simple observation,

Mikado

Then by Your simple observation means You will note I said..."You missed off IMHO" in a post to mpc?

I am mikado relaying my personal observations of how this little hobbit interacts with My surroundings.
I am defficient in such verbal techniques unlike Yourself, but perhaps I am far far superior in My little abililities than could ever be put into words to satisfy You???

I would suggest with respect , and I have always held You in such, but along a specific route, that You represent how many operate and demand such proofs, and You are an excellent eng. in such , but it is within a confined church of proof.

That proof has to be within the confines of Your church walls and rule books contents.

The hobbit operates right through such walls, they simply offer little resistance to what the hobbit utilises, in fact the earth itself is almost as if it were a mere super movi.

Mpc can supply countless references of how the best minds within Your church like thinking have condensed over time, and it is all very compelling.

IMHO( in my hobbit opinion)
Is just that, but I will huff and I will puff until I blow Your church walls down, they will vanish as if by magic to those confined within them.
Fear not sir Mikado, there is nothing to fear, but fear.

hobbit

[Pimander]

Aether has mass and physically occupies three dimensional space. Aether is physically displaced by matter. Displaced aether pushes back and exerts inward pressure toward matter.

I think that ather/Aether is displaced by matter, which is exactly why it does not have the properties of a solid.  It has the properties of a fluid like "something".

noun
1.
a substance, as a liquid or gas, that is capable of flowing and that changes its shape at a steady rate when acted upon by a force tending to change its shape [PIMANDER EDIT: Which is why it can be DISPLACED. ]
adjective
2.
pertaining to a substance that easily changes its shape; capable of flowing. [PIMANDER EDIT: Which is why it can be DISPLACED. ]
SOURCE: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fluid

[mpc755]

I think that ather/Aether is displaced by matter, which is exactly why it does not have the properties of a solid.  It has the properties of a fluid like "something".

noun
1.
a substance, as a liquid or gas, that is capable of flowing and that changes its shape at a steady rate when acted upon by a force tending to change its shape [PIMANDER EDIT: Which is why it can be DISPLACED. ]
adjective
2.
pertaining to a substance that easily changes its shape; capable of flowing. [PIMANDER EDIT: Which is why it can be DISPLACED. ]
SOURCE: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fluid

The aether has to have properties of a solid or light would not propagate through it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether

"However, a transverse wave apparently required the propagating medium to behave as a solid, as opposed to a gas or fluid. ... These models had to agree with the fact that the electromagnetic waves are transverse but never longitudinal."

This is why Robert Laughlin describes the aether as a piece of window glass.

"Subsequent studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian emptiness." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics, endowed chair in physics, Stanford University

'Superfluid Is Shown To Have Property Of A Solid'
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/07/990730072958.htm

"Northwestern University physicists have for the first time shown that superfluid helium-3 -- the lighter isotope of helium, which is a liquid that has lost all internal friction, allowing it to flow without resistance and ooze through tiny spaces that normal liquids cannot penetrate -- actually behaves like a solid in its ability to conduct sound waves."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersolid

"A supersolid is a spatially ordered material with superfluid properties."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfliud with properties of a solid; a supersolid. Which is why it can be displaced and light waves are able to propagate through it.

[Mikado]

Perhaps he should indeed...

but I see the difference between the two styles of presentation...

don't you?

As a matter of fact I do. However, what is sauce for one is sauce for the other.

I do believe that when mpc755 uses the word "model", he/she is using the word in a different context than what Somamech was using the word as.

mpc755 is looking at representative models to support his theory whereas Somamech is looking at a POP (Proof Of Principle) model.

As to demanding things, a good simili would be if someone makes a factual statement, without proof, and expects everyone to believe but yet demands verifiable proof from others, it is wrong.

Mikado

[thorfourwinds]

I don't know enough about it to comment.

We figured that out on Page One.

We suggest that you 'put up or shut up' also, as everything you have put forth here so far has been "you figured it out for yourself" and "y'all better believe me or go somewhere else."

BTW, do you have a working model?

Yes or no.

tfw

(leaves room and switches hats)


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[Littleenki]

Amen,  brother Thor!
Littleenki

[mpc755]

I don't know enough about it to comment.

We figured that out on Page One.

Wow! Moderators who take quotes out of context. How pathetic is that?

The quote you mined was specifically referring to the Biefeld-Brown Effect.

BTW, do you have a working model?

The representative models are general relativity and pilot-wave/wave mechanics.

There is an aether in general relativity.

'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable"

"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places."

The state of the aether at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is the state of displacement of the aether.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory - Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

"any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous "energetic contact" with a hidden medium"

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The "energetic contact" is the state of displacement of the aether.

A moving particle has an associated aether displacement wave.

Where pilot-wave theory is incorrect is in thinking there are hidden variables. There are no such things as hidden variables. Downconverted photon pairs are created with opposite angular momentums. Remove the nonsense of hidden variables from pilot-wave theory and you have the wave piloting the particle of aether displacement.

Here is an experiment which if performed and behaves as predicted would be a proof of principle model of aether displacement.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Kim_EtAl_Quantum_Eraser.svg

If beam splitter BSb is replaced with D4 the photons traveling the blue path which are detected at D1 and D2 may correspond with the interference patterns being created at D0. If this is the case then the which-way information of the photons will be known and this is evidence nothing is delayed, nothing is erased and de Broglie was correct.

It is evidence de Broglie was correct because it is evidence the particle traveling toward D0 has associated waves traveling both the red and blue paths and that wave interference is occurring prior to the particle being detected at D0 regardless of what else happens in the experiment.

[Mikado]

We figured that out on Page One.

We suggest that you 'put up or shut up' also, as everything you have put forth here so far has been "you figured it out for yourself" and "y'all better believe me or go somewhere else."

BTW, do you have a working model?

Yes or no.

tfw

(leaves room and switches hats)


ATTENTION ALL

Petty bickering and personal insults will not be tolerated.

This is a research and learning forum and all are expected to adhere to T&C (even those who pretend to haver never heard the term...)

Thank you for your time, consideration and participation.

Now, let the music begin...

thorfourwinds
GLOBAL MODERATOR

Hold on a second.

Yes, mpc755 comes across direct but some of you here need to look at the history of the sciences.

Didn't Einstein's equations amounted to nothing more then an unproven theory with NO working model?

You figured it out on page one? How trite to make that statement.

It has been said to me by Zorgon that this is a place to present ideas, theories, principles, results of experiments to share with others. Isn't that what mpc755 is doing?

If you don't like their style, okay, I can understand that but what he says is valid as a basis to begin experimentation. The need for a theory is essential in the beginning and then the work in devising experiments to prove the theory.

You'all need to learn some tolerance.

After all, a good deal of what is being discussed is ...

"Theoretical Physics".

Now I don't know if I am addressing a the member or the moderator but I have voiced my opinion as to what I see going on.

Bottom line, if you don't like what mpc755 has to say...ignore the thread.

Mikado

[Pimander]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersolid

"A supersolid is a spatially ordered material with superfluid properties."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfliud with properties of a solid; a supersolid. Which is why it can be displaced and light waves are able to propagate through it.

This is semantic nonsense.

So it is a fluid, one with no viscosity: A superfluid.

Like a fluid (gas) it fills all space available and can be displaced without causing friction - completely unlike a solid.

I do not see why you think a medium must be spacially ordered to propagate waves.  It is NOT KNOWN how EM waves (light) propogate through the ether.  It is a mystery.

[hobbit]

Mass does not displace the aether.
The aether causes mass to displace .
It does this in a near solid perfectly packed omni present and geometrically shaped universe.

The universal geometric stuff never moves.

Mass is created by the flowing aether, and it does so within it's own unique memory bubble.
All of the memory field bubbles compound to eventually become overall the planet, and at each stage  the most dominant memory field contains and is composed of all the others within it.
This carries on outwards with this planet been within the suns, the sun been wthin the galaxy add infirnitum to whatever is the overall field of universe.

Connecting together all of these fieldsand operating exactly the self same way at any scale as all others is magnetic flows of north pole and south pole .

These feed all the individual fields and this duality is what enables mass and matter and life to exist and be maintained in a never ending churning about the dominant memory pole whatever exists within.

These flows rise and fall and in doing so create tidal consequences at all scale.

The displacement is caused from external and internal variations that cause overall the memory field to SWITCH in the geometry, and internally to SWITCH the mass or matter within the field.

The overall driver and which came first in a chicken and egg type situation is the aether flows.
The then created mass does locally cause a displacement of the flows as it utilises some of the flow to maintain it's memory field which is constantly forgetting as mass is transmuting.

This is why I keep adding the word SYMBIOTIC, it's a constant fluxing , but with a series of circulaions about the spheroid shaped created mass with concentrations into and out of the pole areas which creates the lights often seen.

The circulating layers are why We have clouds, and if You puzzle out what is at play with raindrops , You will realise the simple operation at play, that is overall super complicated.

The earth will have layers created in super conductive manner, and very high resistive manner, and the symbiotic interactions between the aether maker , and the aether surrounded made is dependant on where in this layering it is, and it will try to normalise if re positioned.
All of course imho , the ramblings of.
hobbit