The Gold Ring

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Have fun you guys, i'm off to work.

[deuem]

PWM

As a side issue, i have regarded thie EG effect & ion wind to be separate, and a lifter works because it uses both effects

I am thinking we can figure this out once and for all. I have a few more easy tests up my sleeves.

I will share an important note that Mikado just said. Document all your settings. It is so easy to get carried away with fun that one forgets them. Even a tape recorder is good if things are changing fast while you are testing. I have a mic for my computer, that works well.

Now I am upset I have to wait 8 weeks for our Guru to return.

Deuem

[Linda Brown]

The above is a comment that someone made in regard
PS: I never heard of "ELECTRON-ATOM INC" owned by Dr. Brown and unless information to verify this comes forth, one only questions his other claims. I did go online with the Dept. of Revenue Corporate Bureau and could not find it.

To my knowledge Mikado there was no such corporation as Electron-Atom Inc. The Company that was working at BalaCynwyd was called " Electrokinetics" which was initially my Dads and then taken over by Martin Decker.

When Decker took over he traded the rights to certain units that Dad was developing for stock in that company and then turned around ... after the takeover and told Dad " You can paper your Privy with that stock"! This was in 1964... Mom and Dad moved to Florida... I went to school in Virginia... while I was there

Dad sued Decker for fraud....and the next thing I knew in the summer of 1966 we were working autonomously after taking over the entire top of the Decker Lab hillside. right outside of Philadelphia..... we were there until Dad decided to head for California that next winter.... after we left the local concrete companies went on strike I understand .... (or if not a general strike they stopped delivering to Martin Decker... his building slowed.... his financing dried up and he eventually went bankrupt.)

Now in the area that used to be called Decker Square.... with large buildings dominating the hillside.... the only sign that he was ever there is a tiny road side in an alley that says " Decker lande"

. His bankruptcy later was the next largest to the Penn Rail Road when they filed. I understand....

Never heard of Electron-Atom from my end of things and I suspect thats an invention from someone.

Interesting.

I do know that Martin Decker and my Dad traveled to Nassau together in the early spring of 1966 so I don't know what kind of deal was struck between those forces....

We moved from Florida to the Drake Hotel there in Philadelphia in April of that year and spent all summer working on a large prototype of a " loudspeaker" ( which was so large that it took up the entire end of the room.....But as you know I have since come to suspect that there was much more going on there secretly that wasn't information shared with me.

I don't know how the fraud suit was resolved but I do know that Dad had complete control of most of the buildings there on the hill during that summer. Whatever that means.   Linda

[zorgon]

Probably no connection  but

Harold N. Holt, Plaintiff-appellant, v. Seversky Electronatom Corporation, Defendant-appellee
http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/452/31/174627/

[Linda Brown]

Thats interesting. But I suspect what we are looking at was simply an error in research somehow. Linda

[rose]

From Conspiracy Journal at
http://uforeview.tripod.com/conspiracyjournal537.html

In August of 1964, forty five years ago, a long forgotten article appeared in Popular Mechanics entitled "Major DeSeversky's Ion-Propelled Aircraft by Hans Fantel. It is well worth reading. The simple reason for this is that in the program that Nick Cook had assembled, I was struck to by the similarity of this high voltage craft to that of the Nazi Bell experiments using a similarly tethered vehicle, at least that was the uncorroborated testimony of now long dead witnesses. By the way' this legendary craft makes a nice paper weight for those with admittedly exotic tastes.

"It was downright spooky. Without a sound, the peculiar, spiky contraption rose straight up, hovered awhile, climbed higher. Then it did a few graceful turns, stopped again, and just sat there silently in midair. It seemed like levitation --- some trick to overcome gravity. I could not shake off the feeling that I was attending a kind of spiritual seance, or maybe a Buck Rogers show, instead of an engineering demonstration. The eerie scene took place in the big barn like laboratory of Electron-Atom Inc., research firm in Long Island City, New York, devoted to the development of a new kind of flying machine.

[Linda Brown]

Well the date is interesting, thats for sure and of course the description too.... As far as which happened first when it came to lifters?

I witnessed that same type of demonstration during the summer of 1955 in Dads offices on Dupont Circle Building... in front of a bunch of military Dudes.  In fact that experience is noted in the Good-Bye man.

Funny, cosmic hahas.... Linda

[rose]

I thought you would be interested in that Linda...the year, the fan similariy and the Russian all piqued my interest.

Deuem, you mentioned your surprise at finding no light around the tether. While  Vassilotos' TTB bio is rife with errors (AFWK, for example, Townsend never attended Kenyon college), you might find this of some interest

Dr. Brown cited instances when extremely intense lightning channels appeared "black" to witnesses. The phenomenon had also been photographed by professional researchers. Each had erroneously assumed the effect to be a bleaching action; one, which was both ocular and photochemical. No one recognized the real significance of what had been recorded on these photographic plates.

Only one researcher successfully glimpsed and accurately identified the possible cause of these blackout effects.

George Piggot mentioned the mysterious "black band" which appeared around his highly charged suspended metal marbles. Light seemed to disappear into these zones. But it was Nikola Tesla, whose forgotten and ignored testimony on the perceptual effects of high voltage electrical systems took first place. Tesla produced such intense electrical arcs that the same strange blackout effects were repeatedly observed. In the case of Tesla's famed Colorado Springs Experiments, the blackout effect produced a lingering state, which Tesla accurately described as a perceptual-spatial distortion.

http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/brown.htm


rose

[Linda Brown]

Thanks Rose

" which Tesla accurately described as a perceptual-spatial distortion.


Ding..... Ding..... dededingdingding.

Linda

[zorgon]

As far as lifters go...

I am thinking more along these lines..


The Ion Lift Air Vehicle: The Ring of The 1948 Luftwaffe Bell

[Littleenki]

Thanks Rose

" which Tesla accurately described as a perceptual-spatial distortion.


Ding..... Ding..... dededingdingding.

Linda

And a ringy ding ding to you too!
Now were getting somewhere!
Le

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Good one, Zorgon, i don't think that's Orville the hamster in that lifter , put a blue neon light behind it & you sure would kill a lot of flies

Take note of the anomalies ladies & gents, we need to keep close tabs on this kind of thing.
IMO an optical distortion as has been described would indicate extreme distortion of 'masstime', and has been in many UFO reports also.

A typical effect of an EG system?
I won't believe it until i see more results, but i would think optical effects could well be observed (theoretically).

[deuem]

I thought you would be interested in that Linda...the year, the fan similariy and the Russian all piqued my interest.

Deuem, you mentioned your surprise at finding no light around the tether. While  Vassilotos' TTB bio is rife with errors (AFWK, for example, Townsend never attended Kenyon college), you might find this of some interest

http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/brown.htm


rose

Rose, you never cease to amaze me. You pull the right stuff out of your hat all the time.

I have downloaded Chapter 7 that you linked, 52 pages of reading to do.

I do find it interesting that you put 2 and 2 together here. The only time I found any thing to speak of is when they lowered the wires close enough so the electricity jumped and arced. That anyone can see from across the room.

I am hoping that PWM can do that static test I talked about and we can pin point everything we have been asking about. A Ramp up of power on a fixed assembly with 2 or 3 seconds at every step will show us a lot. Keep going till there is an arc out. Yea, till it blows up! Each step with and without the smoke! Just move the smoke to the side for a second. Every second gives us 30 frames. 29 more than we might need so I am sure we can find it. Or as you pointed out, not find it.

One of the things I like best about these types of web sites is the ability for a member to stop in and nail it. You seem to have a good hammer. Please by all means keep up the good work. Although my fingers have just written this, alls my mouth can say is WOW! You go girl.....

Deuem

[deuem]

Good one, Zorgon, i don't think that's Orville the hamster in that lifter , put a blue neon light behind it & you sure would kill a lot of flies

Take note of the anomalies ladies & gents, we need to keep close tabs on this kind of thing.
IMO an optical distortion as has been described would indicate extreme distortion of 'masstime', and has been in many UFO reports also.

A typical effect of an EG system?
I won't believe it until i see more results, but i would think optical effects could well be observed (theoretically).

This gets more interesting PWM, I would like to run some of the photos the pro did for Dr. Brown. Film and digital are so different I wonder what we would see. I would need a direct scan off the negative like the NASA photos are done. ( without all the added touches )

Looking forward to the next step.

Deuem

[Linda Brown]

And thank you also Rose on the links back to Vassilatos. I think that I need to spend some time with someone who would choose to call my Dad "Tom"

There was only one person in Dads association that ever called him that.... and that was " Beau".... so I think that there is much more hiding beneath Mr. Vassilatos' account than is obvious....

If any biography of my Dads deserves a " Due Diligence" report it should be Vassilatos' chapter on my Dad.

But I see it NOW more as what it was meant to be..... the first piece of bread dropped on the trail for others to find and question.... Was it intentional disinformation in many areas. I think probably YES, some of his statements sure got my attention!!!! Perhaps entirely intentional mis statements about my Dads life.... knowing that would spur others to correct him.... and that way bring more and more to the surface.

So what if it takes years and years and years. Someone once said that this was a multigenerational project... and too big for most of us to see at any one time.

And Gerry Vassilatos..... this is a standing invitation. When I start writing about what you have written can you come forward and explain things better to us?

Linda