The Gold Ring

[Amaterasu]

Just  curious, Linda...  Is Beau still alive?  Or has He passed too...?

[rose]

Amy, do you remember what year or years it was that your father was employed on Long Island?

Thank you, Deuem, but I can't take any credit for my finds. I'm not the doer, nor the thinker, only the 'hollow bone' through which the wind blows.

rose

[Amaterasu]

1959 - January or maybe February.  We left San Diego shortly after My sister was born.  To 1961.  Mid or late that year.

[Mikado]

. His bankruptcy later was the next largest to the Penn Rail Road when they filed. I understand....

Penn Rail Road?

Every "train" enthusiast is rolling their eyes on that.

It was the "Pennsylvania Railroad (one word not two)" or just known as the "Pennsy" which was hailed as "The Standard of the World". At least that is what they (PRR) used to claim.

Mikado

PS: How's that not answering me working out? and btw, royalties are received if only ONE book is sold.

[Mikado]

And thank you also Rose on the links back to Vassilatos. I think that I need to spend some time with someone who would choose to call my Dad "Tom"

There was only one person in Dads association that ever called him that.... and that was " Beau".... so I think that there is much more hiding beneath Mr. Vassilatos' account than is obvious....
Linda

I know of someone who called your Father "Thomas".

Mikado

[Linda Brown]

Just  curious, Linda...  Is Beau still alive?  Or has He passed too...?

He has passed too. I get the giggles when I think of Beau and my Dad reunited. They were hysterical together... Beau being sort of rotund.... and my Dad tall and with a swimmers build.... Laurel and Hardy.... and even Dad recognized that with their favorite saying " Well.... theres ANOTHER fine mess you've got us in!"  And they would laugh and laugh and now that I know their history a little bit better I am just sure there were all kinds of things that those two got involved in.... that not many people heard about!

I note that you had something to say Mikado. If you knew someone who called Dad Thomas then tell us who it was and see if I agree with you. Or is this something that you have to stash away for the moment that all of this hidden knowledge will spew forth from you?   Linda

Beau was the only person that I felt my Dad ever " let his guard down" around. That's because he trusted him one hundred.... two hundred percent. Rare in the world that Dad had to operated in.

Beau Kitselman had five lovely daughters as I recall....and I hope that some of them might drop in here with them....I know that they honored and loved their Dad as much as I did mine... Girls?? Join us? I will set up a special place just for Beau and I think that the others here will be fascinated.

I do know that Beau " escorted LRon Hubbard" to his door... ousted him.... in the very early years when Hubbard was figuring out how to build his empire. That must count for special points in some books!!!!

And he was transcribing ancient Sanskrit texts just before he died.... where might that discussion go?

And his best put down saying?

" The meeting of their minds would form the critical mass of a vacuum!"   hahahaha

Linda

[zorgon]

The Gold Ring

Back in service Almost forgot about this on...

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

I'm not going for Fusion at this rate, New Energy Times have got it well covered..
I've posted before that lifters work so well because they make use of 2 effects, the B-B effect (electrogravity) and ion wind. Neither force alone is enough to 'lift' a lifter, but together they can.

Air is the dielectric in this case, and has a dielectric constant (K) of 1

Consider using dielectrics with a K of 10,000 or more, and way higher voltages.
Puthoff said that the effect might be non-linear, we know it IS nonlinear, anyone see the graphs i posted in the TTB section?

A lifter will not work in a vacuum since it uses air as the dielectric.
A solid dielectric however, will work in a vacuum (indeed the higher the vacuum the higher the voltage you can use, the more efficient it becomes etc...)

[zorgon]

New Flying Saucer Runs on Plasma
Greg Soltis
Date: 12 June 2008 Time: 09:30 AM ET



The wingless electromagnetic air vehicle (WEAV), with electrodes lining its surface.
CREDIT: Subrata Roy, University of Florida

A flying saucer is in the works, but it didn't come from space. It came from Florida.

Subrata Roy, an engineering professor at the University of Florida, is trying to patent his design of a circular, spinning aircraft he dubs WEAV, short for wingless electromagnetic air vehicle.

The suggested prototype offers several advantages. It can hover and take off vertically. With no moving parts, the WEAV should be markedly reliable. And though his battery-powered model is only six inches across, Roy thinks a larger craft is possible.

Roy applied his experience doing U.S. Air Force-funded plasma research to develop the propulsion system devoid of typical aircraft parts such as propellers and engines. Here is how it works: Electrodes lining the vehicle's surface ionize the surrounding air. This creates plasma on the vehicle's exterior. An electrical current sent through this plasma generates a force that not only produces the necessary lift and momentum. It also stabilizes the vehicle in windy conditions.

Looking like a flying bundt pan, the WEAV design is partially hollow and continuously curved. This larger surface area improves lift and control.

Besides providing surveillance on Earth, Roy also envisions the craft in other atmospheres, such as that of Saturn's moon Titan, where high air density and low gravity would be favorable to saucer flight.

But the path from concept to production may not be smooth. Flying in Earth's air requires a thrust at least 10 times greater than in outer space where drag and gravity are lower. And the plasma necessary to fly also obstructs wave transmission used for communicating with a remote source.

This doesn't discourage Roy. "Of course the risk is huge, but so is the payoff," he said. "If successful, we will have an aircraft, a saucer and a helicopter all in one embodiment."

New Flying Saucer Runs on Plasma - Live Science

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Seen ths before, is it on the market yet?

I heard it had a fan in it, but it could be a glorified Lifter, possibly using the 'coanda effect'

Either that, or it's coated in BaTiO & some Hafnium.....

The only way to release this tech is in the form of a 'toy'
Both Tesla & Carr patented 'amusement devices'

We need more info on this one, like some tech specs...?

[robomont]

in the book philadelphia experiment,it stated townsends machine worked better in a vacuum,then here in the past few years the statement changed to does not work in vacuum.who started this latest statement?
i personally believe it would work better in a vacuum.

[Littleenki]

Yippee! Were back on track!

To building Zorgon's spaceship that is!

The lifter style craft proposed by that fellow from U of F is pretty cool, and what caught my eye was his statement..I got the idea from the Air Force work I did...Hmmm.

Also, Linda said quite often that someone told her to look at ball lightning, and thats very indicative of plasma and its penchant for flying through the air with ease. And yes, Robo, lifters do work in a vacuum, its just an Air Force disinfo campaign lately that's trying to cover that up.

And much to the surprise of a few here, plasma can operate and exist in a near vacuum, too. NEON tubes are vacuumed down low, and then refilled while keeping some vacuum in their tubes.

Personally, I think to make this move ahead will require plasma and the generation of it, but for now, we will have to concentrate on weight versus thrust to make any headway, and as a toy? I dont know how safe it will be when kids play with super HV...maybe the bad kids though, it might straighten them out a bit!LOL!

I do think, in the next few years, TV shops will fill with different parts which could be used to experiment with plasma generation, as the big screens die off...so the investment level may become much lower to work with plasma.

Of course, imbedding electrodes in glass is something I can do.....

Dueum has been thinking about lifters lately, and I proposed to him that he could use a finely tuned Tesla coil to actually power a lifter, or at least make one which didnt need a tether..so maybe thats the way to go for now. If we could make a lifter capture the output of a tesla coil, and channel it into a central lifting system, it might be the way around the snags of tethers and power supplies.

Jacob's Ladder..the arc chases the wider opening and rises upward away from the source...can this be the spark(pun intended) that can show us how plasma will rise away from the surface of the Earth?

Then gradually the tech would advance to start using the aether for power like the tesla coil itself does...and our craft would basically be a flying Tesla coil!

Glad you got the Gold Ring back on track Zorgon...must now get brain energy back up in that area!:D

Coffee time!

Le

[robomont]

so far in my research,the only two disinfos ive seen are this deal about vacuum and the theory of supercooled mercury plasma.
i saw a video yesterday trying to explain that supercool theory,what bs.
now it may be possible to take that material paul chu invented at the university of houston and supercool it.it was released to the public at the same moment in time that they shutdown the supercollider.is there a tie between the two?
as far as dueum.he should try building a mercury engine in minature based on the caduceus coil.would not be for kids tho.
im thinking of building one using an old ac compressor housing for the base steel container.now i just have to come up with a steel ball container for the top.the rest of the tubing will be easy to get and weld.the mercury will be a little harder to get but it wont take much.
le ,i think you and i are on the same path.

[zorgon]

I heard it had a fan in it, but it could be a glorified Lifter, possibly using the 'coanda effect'

Well the Coanda effect is not lifter tech and I will do a thread on that today... but yeah 'plasma' can act as a fluid thus make a Coanda craft work in space

We need more info on this one, like some tech specs...?

I'll work on it

[robomont]

i still think it needs a solenoid in the middle and a pan of any non magnetic material on bottom.the solinoid drives the ions down faster and the pan keeps the ions from sucking back up in the solenoid and causes them to be directed downward.

hope this helps.