The Gold Ring

[Littleenki]

Hehehe, cmon boys and girls....theres gold in them thar questions....

Fruitbat, do you need bailing out of the slammer yet? LOL!

So again, how do we ride the lightning?

Is Chitty Chitty Bang Bang a flying Tesla coil? 

Le

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

It's just 2 things, voltage & geometry.

The earth's charge is something for debate, since i find 14Mv quite low, it could be as high as 60Gv . Now that would mean there is a steep field gradient that we can use.
Charge has such interesting properties, it is the not-so-static counterpart to the (gyroscopic) magnetic fields.
In fact it can be seen as a dimension in itself.....

[Littleenki]

It's just 2 things, voltage & geometry.

The earth's charge is something for debate, since i find 14Mv quite low, it could be as high as 60Gv . Now that would mean there is a steep field gradient that we can use.
Charge has such interesting properties, it is the not-so-static counterpart to the (gyroscopic) magnetic fields.
In fact it can be seen as a dimension in itself.....

Ahhhh, Luke, a breath of fresh air my brother!:D

Its all in the dimensions!

I think we have a new path to discuss soon, perhaps back to the simple 1900's and the original TT Brown apparatus for receiving energy from the cosmic rays..... shades on...brain churning...

Cheers!

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Thanks dude it's just the way i see it, it's all so....connected, on a fundamental level. Pretty stupid of us to have missed it in the first place, really

[robomont]

pwm, im listening.
what are your references or theories on these m and g voltages?
why are playing with theories currently in the thousands if there is consenses forming in that the voltage range should be higher.

my personal reference is an old physics book that has a graph with voltages ,frequencies and forms of energy.
ie.microwave,xrays,vhf ,etc.

this combined with blackholes expelling xrays and gamma rays is why i believe the minumum dcv has to be that high.
since xrays are not effected by gravity is what kinda seals it for me.
im looking for more conformation through references and theories.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Never seen my YooToob video's?


Hope you like Techno



And one of T.T.Brown's gravity experiments i reproduced...



Enjoy!
Sorry, i have 2 go, later!

[Fruitbat]

Good news everyone! (especially me!!) Some guys in a U.S. university have already done our first tranche of testing and produced some preliminary figures from a combinaton of a standard naudin lifter and a cylindircal lower electrode lifter.
http://electrostatics.org/images/ESA2012_S10.pdf
This is what I should have done by now.
This has to save us some time, and as soon as WE have somethng to show them I vote we invite them here.
May I ask;
How many of you readers are actually considering making (or have available) a basic lifter setup? and of those how many of you would like to collaborate on an active project to develop a self lifting lifter?
FB!

[robomont]

i would colaberate but too lazy for anything more.

[Fruitbat]

i would colaberate but too lazy for anything more.

Stick around anyway, because I value the sort of mind that can both spot the significance of xrays being unaffected by gravity, and also admit that the main impediment to the work is now personal laziness, and not "suppression" or lack of resources, or knowledge.

The one thing I have noticed about the people who generally get to run things is that their overall undesirable qualities (like psycopathy) is often leavened with an increased abilty to either work hard tehmselevs or get others to do that work for them. In order to redress the balance us well meaning but lazy people need to get organised and pool our labour freely, (I figure ten lazy people working in concert should still out-perform 1 hard working psychopath, and we definitely outnumber them by a larger ratio.) So even , if it's only insights and ideas, give what you can and we will get there...

I'm lazy and the only reason I do any of the work at all is because I'm REALLY interested in the research, and it's a lot of fun.

As for your comment about why do we use such realtively low voltages, it's for two reasons. Mainly because it's difficult and expensive to produce much higher voltages, (or measure it!) and also (in my case) because I am short of space to work, and increasing the voltage to the point where it would be easy to get more power of lift would increase the hazards unacceptably...

FB!

[robomont]

as we know xrays are expelled from a blackhole,we need to find the lowest xrays that are expelled.are they soft xrays or hard xrays.once we learn exactly then we will know the voltage minumum needed.
it could be in the high thousands or low millions.
i may be mistaken but i believe the first xrays were created with fifty thousand volts.

[robomont]

after further study,maximum voltage should be no more than 100 to 120 kvdc.this is the range of hard xrays.
the only references i could find on blackholes just said high energy xrays so im assuming hard xrays.
the next focus should be on the current level.
my thought is it should relate directly to horsepower.if my math is correct then the current should be almost nothing for a small lifter.
the spacing between anode and cathode needs to be generous for that voltage though.
lotsa hard xrays also so give it some distance.

[Littleenki]

You guys might want to check Zorgon's thread about the B-2 bomber, and its wing design..its so far ahead of us we might as well be building a reed boat to cross the Atlantic.

Le

[robomont]

where is that b2 thread.

[Fruitbat]

Well, in that case LE we may as well stop working ourselves and wait until they share the benefits of the technology we financed  with us civilians, like they always do.

Of course, we do KNOW that the B2 uses a fully developed embodiment of the effect that we have been looking at don't we? It's not just a bunch of unsubstantiated rumours on the internet, with no hard evidence to back it up is it? And we know that this technology will be openly shared so that we can develop variants for purposes other than blowing people up don't we...?

Meanwhile in the real world, it's just us little people, trying to work it out for ourselves for (in most cases) the general good, or even simply for the fun of it.

Has anyone read that university paper? (it came from someone on Linda Brown's forum, btw) Any thoughts on where we should take the research?

Cheers, Steve C.

[Fruitbat]

For those who'd like to actually develop a self contained flying machine along these lines I'm going to ask if I can have a thread of my own to administer, where I can change the colour of parts of all postings. it should then be much easier to skim though a large number of entries to get to the relavent bits.

In the mean time one of our contributors has raised the question of control. IF we consider a triangular lifter, control could easily be accomplished (assuming we have a little spare weight carrying ability after we make it self lift) by using servos to either tilt the bottom elements, or raise the top wires either action will reduce the lifting power on the selected side, giving us fine control with no nasty HV electronics to make.

The main problem before us is to find out how to LIFT more mass. We solve this guys, and it's all gravy afterwards.

Does anyone want any practical help including supply of crucial parts to get a basic lifter setup going? I'm about to phone a local outfit to see if they'd like to collaborate on making a kit...

Cheers, FB!