NASA Federal Lawsuit: Does NASA "Promote Religion Masquerading as Science?

[undo11]

and does nothing to raise the bar on this site.

did you read my link to john lear's moon thread where i prove that i have been saying there's something fishy going on with the nasa images, for YEARS? this is evidence that he's wrong that "christians" in specific are withholding, and that makes me think he's wrong on his initial premise that it's being withheld for religious reasons.   

and THAT also deserves being discussed because it's the main premise of his entire case against nasa.

[Linda Brown]

Rose had this to say
"I think he makes a tight case for many of his claims.

And I agree with her.... as soon as things get a little quieter here I will try to pick one claim that shows that....

Its sort of cool I think that someone has gotten enough gumption up to challenge NASA. Yea!  Linda

[Pimander]

well if i can't defend myself here, than you obviously aren't interested in my rights as a human being, which means what's the point of even talking to you?

If you are addressing me then I clearly said have your say.  However, you can't defend yourself if nobody attacked you.  That would be ridiculous in my opinion.  If you have a problem with my position then lets discuss somewhere other than this thread which IS NOT ABOUT YOU OR ME.

On the other hand, the images do interest me.  The religious nonsense is what he claims is motive.  Motive is not the "crime".  Lets discuss the alleged crime then if there is one the motive.  If there is no crime then there can't be a motive.  If you pretend to not understand that then conversation over.

@Linda
Interesting development if the guy has the legal backing or cash to follow this through....  I have my doubts about that.

[Linda Brown]

And then... the thought struck me...

I wonder if they will try somehow to involve the NRO into this.... since they are responsible for most of the intelligence in these sightings? I wonder if there is someone in the NRO being his silent partner in this because frankly I can not imagine that anyone can get ANYTHING without their help.

What do you think that there might possible on that score. Talk about dissention in the " ranks" sort of.

Very interesting... but how could some of this be unveiled without someone having the courage to do this?   I don't think that he is doing this by himself.

Linda

[undo11]

i wouldn't want to see him succeed in his case merely for the fact it's so freakin' prejudiced that it'll give incentive to start blaming christians for things like your tomato having a spot on it.

[Linda Brown]

OK. Your point is more than made Undo, Lets move to the next question?

"Interesting development if the guy has the legal backing or cash to follow this through....  I have my doubts about that.

Cash for his case is not as important as " friends in the right places" Cash would be easy to raise for this .... hey... all they have to do is ask and I would donate. No.... money will not be his problem. But he needs a very big friend...... a friend who controls the photos. Only one organization that I know would be in the right position.    Linda

[undo11]

it is an interesting development but does no one besides me see the  agenda?  he's claiming (as if he  knew absolutely) that there are no ets mentioned in the bible or tanakh. lol  you should be raising an eyebrow at such a claim.  only a person of religious persuasion would say something like that.  but what religious persuasion is the question.

[undo11]

as far as von braun's christianity, if you think practicing christianity entails the data written about him, i have some nice mountain property in the florida everglades, to sell you. 

[Linda Brown]

Rose.... and any other researcher out there..... have there been any flaps about NASA and the NRO having any kind of " turf war" or dispute or anything that would even whiff of an internal disagreement? Such things happen. Especially with something so big as the final disclosure of PROOF of an alien presence.... or more than one.  I suspect something is going on that the general public has not heard about. Any rumors?

Should we check out the tabloids?  <g>  Inside joke.  Linda

[Amaterasu]

oh let me guess.  i'm to blame for nasa not telling the truth.  that's how ridiculous that statement he made is.  it's my fault (you have to read what that guy is saying, he's saying "christians". he's not limiting it to actual culprits but using it as an excuse to lambast entire  groups of people based on their faith. he fails to mention other non-christian groups, because he's part of the problem. he wants everyone to think that christians and jews, in particular, are withholding information.   yet, from just a cursory reading of related companies and programs like jet propulsion labs, it's pretty evident the place is not a "christian" organization nor a jewish one.

I disagree fully.  He pointed at specific individuals and Their beliefs being used.  Would You say the same if He said Hunduism (not that that belief system is the best for this example...)?  "They are covering it up They believe in Hinduism and Hinduism conflicts with the evidence."

Nowhere did He accuse ALL christians, nor christianity.  He accused the men and the program They run.  The specific belief system is not at all the point except as it exists in the form these men seem to believe (i.e., the "fundamentalist" idea that there are no ET lifeforms, and that life is only here on earth because this planet is "special").  If They held a belief in the Cosmic Muffin singling earth out as "The Bestest Place" and the earth was the only spot in all the universe with life, THAT would have been the religion mentioned.

Only insofar as the beliefs explain motivation were they mentioned.

EDIT to add:  Wow.  Did not see where this thread has gone when I responded.  I didn't even see it had gone to two pages!  Anyway.  I saw no attack on christianity.  I saw the specific beliefs of specific individuals mantioned as motive.  That is all.

[Linda Brown]

Odd question AMY. Why did you use the phrase " Cosmic Muffin?"   Linda

[Amaterasu]

Odd question AMY. Why did you use the phrase " Cosmic Muffin?"   Linda

I am a big fan of Deteriorata from National Lampoon's Radio Dinner album:


Introduction

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.....
Deteriorata! Deteriorata!
Go placidly
Amid the noise and waste.
And remember what comfort there may be
In owning a piece thereof.
Avoid quiet and passive persons
Unless you are in need of sleep.
Ro-tate your tires.

Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself
And heed well their advice,
Even though they be turkeys.
Know what to kiss.....and when!

Consider that two wrongs never make a right
But that THREE.........do.
Wherever possible, put people on hold.
Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment
And despite the changing fortunes of time,
There is always a big future in computer main-te-nance.

Chorus

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.

Remember the Pueblo.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mu-ti-late.
Know yourself.
If you need help, call the FBI.
Exercise caution in your daily affairs,
Especially with those persons closest to you.
That lemon on your left, for instance.
Be assured that a walk through the ocean of most souls
Would scarcely get your feet wet.
Fall not in love therefore;
It will stick to your face.
Gracefully surrender the things of youth:
The birds, clean air, tuna, Taiwan
And let not the sands of time
Get in your lunch.
Hire people with hooks.
For a good time call 606-4311;
Ask for "Ken."
Take heart amid the deepening gloom
That your dog is finally getting enough cheese.
And reflect that whatever misfortune may be your lot
It could only be worse in Milwaukee.

Chorus

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.

Therefore, make peace with your god
Whatever you conceive him to be---
Hairy thunderer, or cosmic muffin.
With all its hopes, dreams, promises and urban renewal
The world continues to deteriorate.
GIVE UP!

Reprise

You are a fluke
Of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
And whether you can hear it or not
The universe is laughing behind your back.

[Linda Brown]

How about starting here

http://nasawatch.com/archives/2012/06/nro-gives-nasa.html

The U.S. government's secret space program has decided to give NASA two telescopes as big as, and even more powerful than, the Hubble Space Telescope. Designed for surveillance, the telescopes from the National Reconnaissance Office were no longer needed for spy missions and can now be used to study the heavens.

WHY?

What was it that Buffett sang.... we have our heads in an oven and someones lighting a match?

There is more folks about dark energy....... worth the read.......  Linda

[Linda Brown]

The Cosmic Muffin was the name of the boat that a character by the name of Desdemona owned in one of Jimmy Buffetts books. He sings about her..... I think that I just mentioned her slapping the water to draw the entities to her......

Hello to what I call the grand cosmic haha.   Linda

[zorgon]

  i'm to blame for nasa not telling the truth. 

really?  I always wondered....

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