An Idea A Revelation

[undo11]

I think i know what my problem is.  I don't fit in here.  It's no one's fault, i'm just an odd cookie.  I don't really have a nitch.   There's not a box that i truly fit into, so I end up with folks like you who think out of the box as well, but you seem to think my thinking out of the box is not thinking out of the box but rather same old same old.  Ah well  I should be use to it by now, but every so often i give it another try.  The end result of realizing i'm a weird lil gal, is to panic and blame everyone else. 

This here be why I'm kinda out of synch with PRC and have my own lilttle glitch in the matrix.  I like many of the same topics as people here do, but i have this little annoying thing that drives people bonkers:  i actually believe the bible and other ancient texts are legit, that jesus was a real guy who was who he said he was, and that christians can't possibly, as a group, be any worse than any other subsection of humanity. 

Anyway, i apologize for not realizing this sooner and for taking it out on all of you.   Shoulda recognized the signs, and quietly snuck from the room, but eh i made a big mess and thought i'd better clear it up before I exited stage left. 

Sooooo, don't take any of my prior comments personally.  Think of it as a lesson for future encounters:  see a christian freaking out?  probably feeling like a loner and not wanting to.  Takes a bit of adapting, to be honest.  But i'm a big girl, nearly 55, so I think the adaptation is way over due!  And in my case, the adapting requires, nay demands, I say goodbye to the people at PRC. not because you're wrong or bad or mean or anything else but because i'm different in the wrong ways!

Have a good one!

[Pimander]

It's no one's fault, i'm just an odd cookie. 

Like the rest of us. You have to be slightly unusual to hang around forums like this (or paid to do it).

but you seem to think my thinking out of the box is not thinking out of the box but rather same old same old.

On the contrary. I think you have a problem with how some of us think out of the box.

The end result of realizing i'm a weird lil gal, is to panic and blame everyone else. 

We are to blame for how we think to an extent.

I like many of the same topics as people here do, but i have this little annoying thing that drives people bonkers:

What drives me bonkers is how you communicate that thing.

i actually believe the bible and other ancient texts are legit,

They are as legit as any other.  That doesn't make any one interpretation of them fact.

that jesus was a real guy who was who he said he was,

He was probably a person and partly a mythological figure too.  He was a son of God.  However, if God created us all, then we are ALL SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD.  Also if God is all and everywhere then we are all part of God and God is in us all.  In this regard Jesus was a man and a child of God - like you and me.

and that christians can't possibly, as a group, be any worse than any other subsection of humanity. 

Agreed.  That does not mean that people don't do bad things because they are Christians.  Look at the crusades for example.  By the same token, Muslims are are no worse collectively as a subset.  However, Muslims sometimes do bad things because the are muslims like blow themselves up to murder innocent people or murder their daughter for marrying a Christian.  British and Americal people sometimes do bad things because they are Brits or Americans too, like drop nukes on Japan.  Does that make them collectively Evil? NO BUT IT IS STILL THE TRUTH, EVEN IF YOU HATE ME FOR SAYING IT.

Anyway, i apologize for not realizing this sooner and for taking it out on all of you.

Apology accepted.

Sooooo, don't take any of my prior comments personally.

I personally, only took comments about me to be personal.  That sentiment remains.  However, I completely forgive you and don't need to be religious to do so.

Think of it as a lesson for future encounters:  see a christian freaking out?  probably feeling like a loner and not wanting to.

Don't worry, there are literally hundreds of millions of Christians around.  No need to feel lonely.

It is folks who speak the truth about religion that tend to be in the minority.  Not because they are the only ones who know the truth.  It is just that they are afraid to speak the truth because they fear being persecuted, treated badly or upsetting people who don't like to hear it.  Look what happened here because I so much as posted an article containing the mere suggestion that the actions of some people at NASA were motivated by their religion.

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."- Richard Dawkins

Think of it as a lesson for future encounters:  see a christian freaking out?

And I will never allow it to stop me from speaking my mind or telling the public the truth about religion or anything else.  For that I make no apology nor will I ever do so.

Takes a bit of adapting, to be honest.  But i'm a big girl, nearly 55, so I think the adaptation is way over due!  And in my case, the adapting requires, nay demands, I say goodbye to the people at PRC. not because you're wrong or bad or mean or anything else but because i'm different in the wrong ways!

I hope this isn't goodbye.  However, if you need a break from the craziness that PRC can be, you have my best wishes.

[ArMaP]

I think i know what my problem is.  I don't fit in here.

I think you do, if we look at the forum and not the users.

It's no one's fault, i'm just an odd cookie.  I don't really have a nitch.   There's not a box that i truly fit into, so I end up with folks like you who think out of the box as well, but you seem to think my thinking out of the box is not thinking out of the box but rather same old same old.

That's a problem I have seen in many people, instead of thinking out of the box (I hate this expression) they think inside a different one, and do not accept well people that think inside the "old box" or that mix the "old box" with thinking from other boxes or even really out of all other boxes, but not inside the box they chose.

Ah well  I should be use to it by now, but every so often i give it another try.  The end result of realizing i'm a weird lil gal, is to panic and blame everyone else.

That's where I think you should try to rethink (if possible) the way you react to these situations, as I have seen that happen several times.

Don't take things too personal, most of the things we write on a forum wouldn't be said in front of the other person in real life, as we would see from the way they were reacting how they were accepting or not what we were saying, and we could be interrupted or interrupt the other person to stop the conversation from going further and further in the wrong direction.

i actually believe the bible and other ancient texts are legit, that jesus was a real guy who was who he said he was, and that christians can't possibly, as a group, be any worse than any other subsection of humanity.

We have had our discussions, but if you think about it, religion has never been a problem. If an atheist like me can discuss any topic without being "affected" by religion, anyone should be able to do it.

And in my case, the adapting requires, nay demands, I say goodbye to the people at PRC. not because you're wrong or bad or mean or anything else but because i'm different in the wrong ways!

There's no right or wrong way of being different, just the right or wrong way of accepting people that are different from us.

I hope to "see" you soon, here or anywhere else.

[Linda Brown]

Undo....

You are one heck of a wonderful woman.

And I believe that Jesus would consider you his friend.

As for not fitting in?  Who really does? What does " fitting in" mean? That we all have to conform? You know yourself better than most of us know our own personalities.... I find you brave at doing that.... not sure all of us could do that the way you have here.

This thing about being " inside the box or thinking outside of the box.... to me.... that's a frame of reference that is false to begin with..... THERE IS NO BOX.

I used to worry about you because I knew that the "Mikado Effect" would search you out and target you..that's why I kept harping on your " flashing red button" and at the time you couldn't understand what I was trying to say....I feel badly that I didn't do a better job of trying to reach you.....

.. but look what you have done!.... beaten that technology and survived and come out of it stronger and I would say.... nearly immune.! Because once a personality like yours recognizes what has been going on.... there is no damping you down ever again!

If you stay with this Forum they will be blessed beyond measure. If you decide to move to another venue.... then the forces that would keep you silent have an enormous problem on their hands.

I love it. My Dad would say....." More Power to you!"

Linda

[Mikado]

I think i know what my problem is.  I don't fit in here.  It's no one's fault, i'm just an odd cookie.  I don't really have a nitch.   There's not a box that i truly fit into, so I end up with folks like you who think out of the box as well, but you seem to think my thinking out of the box is not thinking out of the box but rather same old same old.  Ah well  I should be use to it by now, but every so often i give it another try.  The end result of realizing i'm a weird lil gal, is to panic and blame everyone else. 

This here be why I'm kinda out of synch with PRC and have my own lilttle glitch in the matrix.  I like many of the same topics as people here do, but i have this little annoying thing that drives people bonkers:  i actually believe the bible and other ancient texts are legit, that jesus was a real guy who was who he said he was, and that christians can't possibly, as a group, be any worse than any other subsection of humanity. 

I believe the bible as well but I don't praise the bible, I believe there is a difference. As to other ancient texts, I believe what is written in the ones I have read, thus my interest in Sitchin. As to Jesus, I too believe he was real and I too believe he performed miracles as well but some times miracles are what the witnesses claim. Jesus said that we too cold perform miracles, I believe that.

Anyway, i apologize for not realizing this sooner and for taking it out on all of you.   Shoulda recognized the signs, and quietly snuck from the room, but eh i made a big mess and thought i'd better clear it up before I exited stage left. 

Sooooo, don't take any of my prior comments personally.  Think of it as a lesson for future encounters:  see a christian freaking out?  probably feeling like a loner and not wanting to.  Takes a bit of adapting, to be honest.  But i'm a big girl, nearly 55, so I think the adaptation is way over due!  And in my case, the adapting requires, nay demands, I say goodbye to the people at PRC. not because you're wrong or bad or mean or anything else but because i'm different in the wrong ways!

Have a good one!

I regret your leaving...wish you would reconsider. I would have enjoyed so very much to have completed reading your books and then to openly discuss them on this forum. There is history in those writings and those that fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it.

I wish the best for you and yours and hope you will reconsider but all the best...and I hope you stay a survivor.

Mikado

[Cosmic4life]

I think i know what my problem is.  I don't fit in here.  It's no one's fault, i'm just an odd cookie.  I don't really have a nitch.   There's not a box that i truly fit into, so I end up with folks like you who think out of the box as well, but you seem to think my thinking out of the box is not thinking out of the box but rather same old same old.  Ah well  I should be use to it by now, but every so often i give it another try.  The end result of realizing i'm a weird lil gal, is to panic and blame everyone else. 

This here be why I'm kinda out of synch with PRC and have my own lilttle glitch in the matrix.  I like many of the same topics as people here do, but i have this little annoying thing that drives people bonkers:  i actually believe the bible and other ancient texts are legit, that jesus was a real guy who was who he said he was, and that christians can't possibly, as a group, be any worse than any other subsection of humanity. 

Anyway, i apologize for not realizing this sooner and for taking it out on all of you.   Shoulda recognized the signs, and quietly snuck from the room, but eh i made a big mess and thought i'd better clear it up before I exited stage left. 

Sooooo, don't take any of my prior comments personally.  Think of it as a lesson for future encounters:  see a christian freaking out?  probably feeling like a loner and not wanting to.  Takes a bit of adapting, to be honest.  But i'm a big girl, nearly 55, so I think the adaptation is way over due!  And in my case, the adapting requires, nay demands, I say goodbye to the people at PRC. not because you're wrong or bad or mean or anything else but because i'm different in the wrong ways!

Have a good one!

I don't think you should leave just because you hold certain beliefs.....

I would like you to remain strong and not be too affected by the slings and arrows.....i find your input to be interesting and quite frankly the more perspectives the better IMHO.

Hopefully being a woman your feelings will change...... in what ....oh 20 mins..

Don't bail out...just go for a walk or something.

Cosmic..

[hobbit]

UNDO11.
Baby PLEASE don't go.


hobbit

[Littleenki]

Just heard this, Undo, and I must say...please reconsider if it is at all possible.

I still hold that day dear when you showed me the path to a different me, and helped me make a move for the positive months ago, and regardless of the outcome here, you will always have a place deep in my heart and thoughts.

Even with your great and vast knowledge of many subjects, you came across as a regular gal, with a desire to find the meaning behind everything you took into your wheelhouse, and you will be missed by many here, more than you may realize.

If not to stay, I wish you the very best and your family as well, and keep that survival instinct burning in you, Beth, its what sets you apart from the pack!

With Enormous respect, Be Well!
Dave

[Lady Jae]

Undo,

I am new here and haven't had the privilege of knowing you like the others have; but I, too, would ask you to reconsider and stay.

Our views on Christianity are close, and I would learn more from your knowledge on StarGates.

Please, Beth, as one square peg to another: please stay.

J

[Linda Brown]

The StarGates information is important to all of us Beth especially now....and you are the one holding the most information. Don't let yourself be sidelined..... or marginalized.... that wouldn't be right.   Linda

[rdunk]

Hello undo! Well, every day is a new day, for everyone of us, until, there are no more days. And every day we are faced with things different from yesterday. You want to leave this place, well fine! You want to stay, and to be a part of things, well fine!

But whether you leave or stay, will not bring to you the "peace" of God, that he has for you, and wants you to have. And that "peace", His "peace", is what each of us need as Christians. The reason we need it is so that we can live and grow as Christians, in a very "un-Christian" world. The "revelation/understanding" of what God's peace really means to us, and to our lives with those around us really is "life changing".

When we are able to live in the peace of God, what others say, Christian or non-Christian, falls from us like water on a ducks back. And, don't worry about what anyone else might say about God's Word, because God is able tto tke care of such-like himself.

There is a scripiture that discusses "taking every thought captive" - look it up, and study that. Look up what God says and means about his peace, Think about the fact that Jesus pretty much sets a pattern for us,  living in this world, but not being a part of the world.

Undo, as Christians, we are blessed with the Victory, and nothing, NOT ANY THING, anyone might say, will have any impact or effect on that truth. When we fully understand that, as truth, then we can begin to walk in peace daily, in our everyday lives with others, and have fun all of the way "home"!!!

You do whatever you like, but just know that things that come into our lives often have spiritual meaning and significance, providing potential for spiritual growth, depending upon our response to it!!

 

[undo11]

hey thanks everybody. 

i think my decision is the right one, for the sake of the peace on the forum.  even if i didn't say anything, i'd be over here having an argument with myself about saying something and i'd be miserable.  i know myself well enough.

you probably just didn't notice as much on ATS because there were 50 other people just like me, fussing about similar things.  and ats encourages that kind of interaction, whereas prc is trying to avoid it. 

trust me, i made the right choice. you'll thank me later. lol 

in the meantime,  enjoy!

[Littleenki]

Much love and hugs, Beth, comin your way!
Le

[deuem]

Hello Miss Undo, I don't think we ever had the pleasure of debating or discussing anything yet but I happened to stumble on this thread and it made me feel kinda of sad. I hope you get to read this before you retire You are 2 years my younger so I guess we had a similar upbringing in the times.

Religion and politics are the 2 hardest things to post about. Half the people want to pray and the other half what to bring out the cross. Politics is a close second. There are a number of religious sites on the web that might be right up your alley. I did want to find out more about your stargates when I had the time.

Is not having a nitch a nitch of its own? And if they ever put me in a box then I will try to cut the walls down. these are two things you will have to figure out where ever you go.

Good luck on your new adventures.   Deuem

[Lunica]

Hello Undo,

I am a great Lurker, and have lurked a lot from you. My english is a blur sometimes, I could have missed some here and there. 
I think its wonderful you are a true Christian and have the most open mind to some very interesting ideas and subjects. It says a lot, really...
I know its for most Christians difficult to explore these worlds because in some way there are to many contradictions in all the info and ideas.
For me it makes it a real open mind.

I dont call me a Christian. I dont go to church any more, I swear sometimes . And dont use it in my ordinary life.
But yes, also I believe in a lot of things of the bible (mainly the new testament). I surely believe in Jesus and the things he has done...
And there is one God for me.

It still does give me all the room to believe in:

-All sorts of astral travel (really going out of the body... I know what i am talking about )
-Astral projection (seeing things, but still here! )
-Aliens (from other solar systems)
-Ghosts (not aliens... but mostly diseased people which are hanging in between )
-Angels (those guys with the wings from the bible, entities from a higher order in the astral world presenting in that way for us)
-Guids (the ones some people are aware of, most of people have three of them, no wings here btw)
-God (yes... the "person"who is in charge...  )
-Allah (Its the same "person"!)
-Almost all the high tech out of this world technology.
-Stargates! They found one... Not operational yet btw 
-Life on Mars, venus etc...

Well, I am presenting this, since I am also on my own in My view of it all. Like everyone having his/her ways to see things. But I can still believe in Jesus, in my way;)
I think you only would make a choice like this if you are really certain about this. Respect for it!

Greetings Lunica!