Was the Discovery of Higgs Boson God Particle Actually the World’s Most Successf

[Amaterasu]

Naw, I don't mind, really.  [smile]  It's all good.

We'll be back on topic and I like the discussion.  Thanks though.  [smile] [wink]

[Amaterasu]

Bingo, Amy...they were expecting it and got it...the same example of when they look for the particle on the panel behind the two slit experiment, and then see that particle as they expected it...and when they dont look, it goes haywire!

I wonder if they have thought that the Higgs that appeared in the data really ever went away?

Could it still be right where it occured, and waiting to be found?

Do they even know what it might look like, as they cant observe it anyways? I dont care how great the data is, these particles will always be ahead of our instruments. A billionth of a second isnt enough to convince me.

Or could it have become subquantum, and split into more particles which arent even measurable with the equipment they have?

Also the event they measured could have been a blink into a black hole, which opened and swallowed, then closed around the Higgs before it could even become itself.

Does that sound nuts?

And yes, my Roomba 560's love to clean my hardwood floors for me everyday, but I still have to empty clean and maintain them...something i actually enjoy! Those Bots rock! 

Cheers!

And don't forget, Dave...  It doesn't look like what They were looking for based on math and theory.  It's some lighter particle.  How can They say...  "It's close...  It's not the same...  But...  THAT'S IT!  EUREKA!"

And I would like a robot that did the cleaning and then took the garbage out.  [grin]

[COSMO]

And don't forget, Dave...  It doesn't look like what They were looking for based on math and theory.  It's some lighter particle.  How can They say...  "It's close...  It's not the same...  But...  THAT'S IT!  EUREKA!"

And I would like a robot that did the cleaning and then took the garbage out.  [grin]

Amaterasu, well put.  My thoughts exactly!  Close enough for government work is what we used to say!!!

  And...I too want an Irobot vacuum!!!  Would be great for cleaning up after my four footed fury pack!!!  (3 dogs)

Thanks for the reference to SQK, I just ordered a used copy from Amazon.  $30  I wish there was an E version.   I'll read it and get back to ya!   

Cosmo

[Amaterasu]

COSMO, that is a phrase My dad always used!  I have been know to use it M'self!  He was in aerospace as an electrical engineer...

I think it's mighty fishy that They decided to "prove" the theory right with such shoddy evidence.  Disgusting, really.

[A51Watcher]

...Thanks for the reference to SQK, I just ordered a used copy from Amazon. 

Did you use the link over there? --->

 

[COSMO]

COSMO, that is a phrase My dad always used!  I have been know to use it M'self!  He was in aerospace as an electrical engineer...

I think it's mighty fishy that They decided to "prove" the theory right with such shoddy evidence.  Disgusting, really.

Yes, talk about a rush to judgement!  Now, as far as I understand, a boson has a particle/wave duality.  So just exactly what are they proving if the standing wave nature of a particle in an aether is valid?  The Higgs field is supposed to pervade the entire universe, and it's where particles get their mass via the Higgs, so it sounds like an aether/ether theory of sorts to me.  It is interesting how mainstream physics dances around the use of aether/ether.  They avoid it like it is little green men from mars!  Oh yeah...they dance around that one too!!!  lol

A51Watcher....oh crap....plz forgive the newbie, I'll definitely remember to use that link next time!

Cosmo

[Amaterasu]

I think the aether is a definite - and includes a LOT of energy.  And - I don't know if You read My thread on The End of Entropy (that's social entropy, ala Jeremy Rifkin's seminal work, Entropy)  - but add free energy and th3e need for money dissipates.  And since money is what gives TPTB power over Others...THEY don't want free energy in this world!

Here's the link to My thread:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=657.0

Things in science will make a LOT more sense if You understand that relationship...  money/power (over Others)/energy are three forms of the same thing - like ice/water/steam.

[COSMO]

I think the aether is a definite - and includes a LOT of energy.  And - I don't know if You read My thread on The End of Entropy (that's social entropy, ala Jeremy Rifkin's seminal work, Entropy)  - but add free energy and th3e need for money dissipates.  And since money is what gives TPTB power over Others...THEY don't want free energy in this world!

Here's the link to My thread:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=657.0

Things in science will make a LOT more sense if You understand that relationship...  money/power (over Others)/energy are three forms of the same thing - like ice/water/steam.

Yes, good thread!  Totally agree.  The aether is piratically limitless energy potential.  I have been thinking for some time that TPTB have had Tesla tech for almost 100 years now and maybe longer.  They are the  same ones that control the fossil fuel industry, the world banking cartel, wall street, the media and our political system.  What have they accomplished with it given their resources and all that time???  It would seem like ET wouldn't it!  And by containing that knowledge, they maintain their power and control at the expense of the quality of life of the entire world.  That is a great tragedy. 
Cosmo 

[Amaterasu]

Oh, it's definitely ET, with duped "satan" worshipers in the top spots reaping the material benefits.  Divided in this way, They keep Us conquered.

ET - at least that faction - has no compassion.  THEY don't care about the suffering They cause.  They just want to maintain control.  That is why free energy has been hidden and suppressed.  But I figure, with enough of Us going for it, ignoring the "science" as They write it, seeing through such farces as announcing the "Higgs boson..."  They WILL lose control.

[COSMO]

More info on the Higgs:

Concerning CERN: Cliff Burgess on the discovery of the Higgs boson

Normally we think of the vacuum as just being the thing that has nothing in it. But Peter Higgs, and others, proposed instead that the vacuum is a physical thing which has physical properties, with which elementary particles can interact. There is an energy associated with this interaction, which we interpret as the particle mass due to Einstein's relation E=m c^2. At CERN they have just provided the first experimental evidence that this picture of the vacuum having physical properties is right. They did so by exciting a wave in the vacuum, which in their experiment looks like a new type of particle. Can you elaborate on just what the so-called "God particle" is? First off, everybody in the business calls it the Higgs particle and cringes just a bit when it is called the "God particle". What makes it important is that it shows that there are waves in the vacuum. You can think of the whole picture as an analogy where elementary particles are replaced by fish. Suppose you were interested in the properties of fish and how they move and why some fish move faster than others given the same amount of effort. This would be very hard if you did not understand what water was. In order to understand properly the motion of fish, you must first also understand the environment through which they move.

Now, those who study fish never doubted the existence of water because, unlike the fish, scientists do not live in it. If you were the first to propose that water existed, it might be a harder sell since everyone would take it for granted. The acid test would be to move the water, or to excite a water wave, since that would show that there was something "there" besides just fish. So the radical theoretical proposal is that we are all moving through a medium, and it is the properties of this medium that partially control the behaviour of elementary particles. Again the acid test is to perturb the vacuum and excite a wave in it. This is what the experiments at CERN seem to have done for the very first time.



http://phys.org/news/2012-07-cern-cliff-burgess-discovery-higgs.html

OK, orange it is, but I will share that I am color blind!  Hope it's more readable.

Fish in a medium, water!  Waves in the vacuum!!!  EVERYTHING is connected in this "water".  Can we just quit calling it a vacuum???  OK, is it just me or does this sound suspiciously like an ether theory???  lol
By the way, E=m c^2 is just for a particle at rest.  I don't think that is a natural state, the ether is in constant motion so there is more energy present than the equation indicates, and that energy is how we will travel to the stars.  Maybe we should just call it water?  How about the universal ocean of creation?  lol

Cosmo

[Amaterasu]

So basically, They proved there is an aether (whatever the description of it is...).  Well, many of us had deduced that the aether exists, but I guess it's cool to have CERN provide the proof.  Still, why have They called this aether wave a "Higgs Particle?"  When it did not have the calculated properties of said particle?

And I call it a plenum.  The root of "vacuum" means empty; the root of "plenum" means full.

[COSMO]

So basically, They proved there is an aether (whatever the description of it is...).  Well, many of us had deduced that the aether exists, but I guess it's cool to have CERN provide the proof.  Still, why have They called this aether wave a "Higgs Particle?"  When it did not have the calculated properties of said particle?

And I call it a plenum.  The root of "vacuum" means empty; the root of "plenum" means full.

Well, it is called the Higgs Field, and the point of interaction with other particles that theoretically gives rise to mass is called a Higgs Boson, and a boson is a particle that can have the property of a particle and a wave.

http://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/the-higgs-particle/360-2/

    I kinda get it.  So the Higgs particle is the smallest possible Higgs wave, and a Higgs wave is a ripple in the Higgs field.  You got it. 

Yeah, still sounds like an aether/ether theory to me too.  The Gnostics called it the pleroma, which also means fullness. 

Cosmo

[Littleenki]

Ah, the pleroma...

Yeah, still sounds like an aether/ether theory to me too.  The Gnostics called it the pleroma, which also means fullness. 

Cosmo

Aslso, the hermetica calls the aether, the ALL. Seems everyone has  name for it, and if cern had called PRC, we couldve saved them a crapload of money and time!LOL!

Cheers!

[Amaterasu]

Same root as "plenum," which would be the latin version, I do believe.

So, ok.  If bosons have both particle and wave behavior...  Doesn't that make ALL particles bosons?  Seems to Me that that's what quantum mechanics tells Us, n'est pas?

And I really do think They are confirming an aetheric plenum/pleroma.  [smile]  Still think SQK is more on the mark.

[COSMO]

Here is some more info in the Higgs and another reference to a 2 dimensional geometry:



The sudden breaking of symmetry plays a fundamental role in physics, in particular for the description of phase transitions that change the whole state of a system. One example is the spontaneous alignment of the atomic magnets in a ferromagnetic material that is cooled down below the Curie-temperature. Being governed by such a "global order", the system can be excited to a collective oscillation, in which all particles move in a coordinated way. If the collective behaviour follows the rules of relativity, a special kind of oscillation can develop, a so-call Higgs excitation (named after the British physicist Peter Higgs). Such an excitation plays a key role in the standard model of elementary particles, where it is called a Higgs-particle. Also, solid state-like systems can exhibit Higgs excitations, if the collective motion of the particles obeys rules that resemble those of the theory of relativity. However, the detection of Higgs excitations is usually rather difficult, because the excitations typically decay in a short time. Moreover, they are expected to be especially short-lived in very flat, so-called low-dimensional systems and it has been a subject of theoretical debate whether they are observable at all in such geometries. Now, a team of physicists from the Quantum Many-Body Division of the Max-Planck-Institute of Quantum Optics together with theory colleagues from Harvard University and the California Institute of Technology succeeded in experimentally identifying Higgs excitations in a two-dimensional system of ultracold atoms (Nature, July 26, 2012). "We are excited to study phenomena close to absolute zero temperature that usually occur at the highest energies", Prof. Immanuel Bloch, leader of the Division, explains

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-07-higgs-absolute.html#jCp

Waves in a 2 dimensional geometry....the Higgs field still sounds like an ether theory to me.