The Center of the Universe

[Pimander]

Additionally, it is interesting that in the Word of God,

How do you know the Bible is the Word of God?  Nobody ever gave me a remotely satisfactory answer to that question.

[Amaterasu]

You have touched on real mysteries here.  This could get deep....

Can you define awareness?

What is this awareness then?  What is your awareness or centre?  What is mine?  How does it function?

Can inanimate matter be responsible for how you experience or picture the universe?

Defining awareness...  Toughy, Pim.  Awareness:  I AM.  Maybe that is too vague...  The nature of awareness is "God" and the observation of the matter defines or "creates" it...  I think the answer to Your second question is "no."  It's the other way around.

[zorgon]

Additionally, it is interesting that in the Word of God, God's people are advised of having similar capability, through faith. One of the scriptures that states this is, in the words of Jesus:

Mark 11:23
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith

So have you enough faith to move that mountain yet? Have you enough faith to move a cup across a table?

Yoda:

"Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship."

Luke:

"I can't believe it."

Yoda:

"That is why you fail."




Matthew 17:20 Jesus says quite clearly:

"For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you. "

Mark 4:11 - - -

He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables


Luke 8:10 - - -

He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.' 

Matthew 21:
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     When he was going back to the city in the morning, he was hungry.
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    Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went over to it, but found nothing on it except leaves. And he said to it, "May no fruit ever come from you again." And immediately the fig tree withered.
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    When the disciples saw this, they were amazed and said, "How was it that the fig tree withered immediately?"
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    17 Jesus said to them in reply, "Amen, I say to you, if you have faith and do not waver, not only will you do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' it will be done.
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    Whatever you ask for in prayer with faith, you will receive."


So I ask you again, have you mastered moving any object by the power of your thoughts yet? Can you look at a plant and make it wither on command? Can you call forth a rain storm or make a hole appear above you in the clouds?

I can influence the clouds, so can my daughter... it has been proven in my Renaissance circles.

This famous Russian lady can move objects across a table



A far cry from Yoda moving that ship, or Jesus moving that mountain... but there are many on earth that have these skills... we just need to develop the other 90% of our brain

[The Matrix Traveller]

You have touched on real mysteries here.  This could get deep....

Can you define awareness?

What is this awareness then?  What is your awareness or centre?  What is mine?  How does it function?

Can inanimate matter be responsible for how you experience or picture the universe?

Awareness:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awareness

[rdunk]

How do you know the Bible is the Word of God?  Nobody ever gave me a remotely satisfactory answer to that question.

Well Pimander, how do you know you were actually "born"? I am quite sure you have no memory of being born, so, just how do you know? Just how can you prove it to everyone's satisfaction? And you might say, "well, I have a birth certificate". And, that would be good enough for some, but some others might ask, "how do you know the birth certificate is real"? And on, and on and on. Even accepting that we are "naturally born" is really something that for us is "faith based"!

But, when the subject becomes "God's Word", which is printed for us, in a book called "The Bible",  we have moved from the physical realm to the spiritual realm. Many of "man" have wasted a lot of time in trying to find "physical proof" of that which is "spiritually discerned", and is accepted by FAITH. God's word existed long before the Bible was printed, and it will be "existing", when there are no more printed books. God says "heaven and Earth shall pass away.................But............!!!

Mark 13:31
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Pi, this is an age old question, and the Word really presents a paradoxical situation, no better presented than by Matthew 7:13-14

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

"Finding it" doesn't come by looking for proof! Finding it starts with accepting by faith what John 3:16 says, and then our spiritual proof will develop, as we let God speak to us through his Word, which is "alive"! 

Thanks for asking!!

[zorgon]

How do you know the Bible is the Word of God?  Nobody ever gave me a remotely satisfactory answer to that question.

Well the 'bible' is not the technically the 'Word of God'  because the English versions of that book are translations made by man of earlier versions of Latin books. Those Latin books were translations made by man of earlier Greek and Hebrew books. Those Greek and Hebrew books were translations by man of still earlier Aramaic books.

Those Aramaic books were written by man from verbal stories passed down for many years before they were put into print  by man

So quoting a scripture from a King James copy of the Bible is not proof of anything. It is one possible interpretation with a built in bias.

I would rather have someone answer a question directly what he or she thinks, then pointing at a book and saying  "See here? It says...."

[zorgon]

and the Word really presents a paradoxical situation,

Why? Why does the word have to be in parables, riddles and paradoxical situations?

Why not just come out and say it, clearly so there is no possible confusion of what was meant?

You are a believer in that book, yet even you speak of paradoxical situations.

Proof requires straight forward hard facts that can not be misinterpreted... not " parables, riddles and paradoxical situations"

That is precisely why we are in the current situation today with all the splinter groups that call themselves Christian, Muslim or Jew... The fact that those thres groups all came from ONE book originally should be enough to tell you that the words are muddled

Because while you say the Bible is the absolute 'Word of God', so will any Muslim  tell you that the Qu'ran is the absolute 'Word of God' and any Jew will tell you that the Torah is the absolute 'Word of God'

So which version of the absolute 'Word of God' is the correct one?

Either one is the only true words or they all are 

[rdunk]

zorgon asked, So have you enough faith to move that mountain yet? Have you enough faith to move a cup across a table?

In the sense of that statement, the "mountain would be figurative, but no less a mountain, of whatever the issue. One of my "mountains" that God moved for me was health related. I had very physical issues, and was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. I prayed about that mountain, and others prayed for me about that mountain, and I was healed. I worked another twenty years, moving up to executive levels, before retiring. For me, that was a pretty big mountain. Of course, for God/God's Word that was no big deal!

But, with God, our moving mountains is not a mind over matter thing. Nor is it a "magic power of the mind " thing. Those promises of God are "spiritual", and they are totally related to the power in God's Word. God's Word just is - - in that regard it is like the air we breath. It is not confined to a book. It is everywhere, and it is always available to respond to even the tiniest/smallest (mustard seed size) amount of faith, to "move that mountain".

zorgon, thanks so much for bringing our attention to all of those other scriptures that you posted. I understand you had reasons for posting them, but they too are very important and powerfully stated pieces of God's Word.

[Amaterasu]

I am just curious why My comments go unresponded to...  Do I ask too much?  "Why a flood?"  "Why kill innocents and children?"  "Why 'Thou shalt not kill'...except for heathens...?"  (Or unless You're God...)

Well...  I believe in the power of the mind, in healings and such.  But I have an issue with this "God" thing in the Bible.

[rdunk]

Hi zorgon, I just noticed this is my #400, thanks to you!!

zorgon said, "Why? Why does the word have to be in parables, riddles and paradoxical situations?

Why not just come out and say it, clearly so there is no possible confusion of what was meant?

You are a believer in that book, yet even you speak of paradoxical situations.


I may not have used exactly the right word, although, for me, it does address the situation. My using that term is related to the I posted following my isa of "paradoxical".

That was Mark 7:13-14

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The "paradox" is, a recognition by God, in his word, that although he sacrificed his son on the cross for all, "many" are not going to find the way. The "strait gate" is "narrow", and it leads to life (through his son). Any other way leads to "destruction".

Pretty simple, but it still is, for all, a very life or death paradox.

[zorgon]

In the sense of that statement, the "mountain would be figurative, but no less a mountain, of whatever the issue.

That is what preacher say , yes. But the fig tree withering on the spot in context of the move mountain comment is EXACTLY mind over matter

One of my "mountains" that God moved for me was health related. I had very physical issues, and was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. I prayed about that mountain, and others prayed for me about that mountain, and I was healed. I worked another twenty years, moving up to executive levels, before retiring. For me, that was a pretty big mountain. Of course, for God/God's Word that was no big deal!

I do not deny prayer works... and am glad for you that it did...

It is jsut that the method works for those who do not believe in any gods. The Secret...that I have posted shows the same results can be achieved merely by the power in your own mind... no need of an outside deity

The power is in the Universe itself  and your mind can draw on this power

For you you prefer to name it God... because that is what you were taught and as such if it works for you, that is great. The key is having a focus point, be that a belief in a god, or looking into a crystal ball or candle

This is why I support anyone's belief... your god is as valid a focus as is my candle...

And when you can make that candle give off a blue light, then you can advance to the next level

Yes Jesus meant it literally when he said you can move that mountain if you but believe you can

Even Quantum Physics is beginning to see the truth of that

But, with God, our moving mountains is not a mind over matter thing. Nor is it a "magic power of the mind " thing. Those promises of God are "spiritual", and they are totally related to the power in God's Word. God's Word just is - - in that regard it is like the air we breath. It is not confined to a book. It is everywhere, and it is always available to respond to even the tiniest/smallest (mustard seed size) amount of faith, to "move that mountain".

In your opinion... I do not agree. I know it is in the "magic power of the mind".  Spiritual yes, as spirit is one of the five elements.  You answer every mystery as "totally related to the power in God's Word. God's Word just is "

That doesn't work for me, as my mind can conceive far beyond merely accepting 'the word is all, the word just is'

If in your view god created me then why did he give me a mind that can ask these questions, only to be told "Thou shalt not question, thou shalt obey my word as is..  or you go straight to the guy with the pitchfork"

Makes no sense... I am not a Lotus Eater

zorgon, thanks so much for bringing our attention to all of those other scriptures that you posted. I understand you had reasons for posting them, but they too are very important and powerfully stated pieces of God's Word.

The reasons for posting them is because they are supposedly the words of Jesus, a Master Rosicrucian who knew the answers and was teaching them to those that could understand. But as you have given an example, others interpret them differently.

Of the choices I would rather study the teachings offered by the secret societies than blind follow a book that has so much confusion

[The Matrix Traveller]

Regarding the bible, claimed Falsely to be the word of God...

The writings are only "Historical Writings", Nothing More Nothing Less.

Non of the writings are The Word of God !

"The WORD of God" was from the Awakening or beginning of Organized structuring.

The "WORD" is the Language (Communication) used in the "Processing System", ALL is produced through.

The writings have been, as the Carpenter (Builder) was reported to have said, and I Quote;

39.   Jesus said,

"The Pharisees and the Scribes

have taken THE KEYS of KNOWLEDGE

and HIDDEN THEM.

They themselves have NOT entered,

nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to.

You, however, be as wise as serpents
and as innocent as doves."

Messed about with, by the human species namely the The "Pharisees" and the Scribes


Sorry.... I don't have the power to change History or Historical writings...

Now HOW would a "Scribes" HIDE The KEYS of KNOWLEDGE ?


I guess it would be by what the "Scribe" would either have Written
or Remove from these Historical Records.

The Bible "The WORD of God" ? I don't think so.

The WORD of God existed Eons before the human races were ever thought of
so the bible was NOT the First Book.

It is Written in The Goaspel According to John  Quote;

In the Beginning was "The WORD" !

The Bible was definitely NOT in the Beginning of "The ALL".

As is witten in "The Gospel According to John"... Ch 1 verses 1 to 13   Quote;

"The WORD" was God.... Spelling; G  O  D  in English

To understand this WORD we have to go back through the ZION Language (Now lost from the Earth) NOT Hebrew.


However the Language is still accessible through LIFE NOT the Flesh.

[rdunk]

I am just curious why My comments go unresponded to...  Do I ask too much?  "Why a flood?"  "Why kill innocents and children?"  "Why 'Thou shalt not kill'...except for heathens...?"  (Or unless You're God...)

Well...  I believe in the power of the mind, in healings and such.  But I have an issue with this "God" thing in the Bible.

Amaterasu, now just why would you expect any comments on your comments? My goodness, this is only a forum!!

I am sure there are others here who can respond to your comments, also, but I will try to answer some of your questions.

1. No, you don't ask too much! Maybe we just aren't answering enough!

2. Why a flood? Why kill the innocents?

There were no "innocents". All of man were blood descendants of father Adam, who was a sinful man, and all coming after had Adam's "sin nature". Think of it this way - if you have a roomful of poisonous snakes, adults, younger ones, and baby snakes. If you want to live in that room, which snakes are you going to kill, and which snakes are you going to let live? I believe that is where God was on this. He has a plan for sacrificing a "savior" for man, and somehow that flood has to play a part in that plan.

In Genesis 6:5 the Word says that "God saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth"............ and in vs 6 the Word says "and it repented the Lord that he had made man on the Earth".....and in vs 7 the word says, "And the Lord said, I will destroy man, whom I have created, from the face of the earth"............ . vs 8 says "but, Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord".

So, in God's eyes - and he looks upon man's heart - he saw only one man that "found grace in the eyes of the Lord", and that was Noah. All other air breathing beings were destined to die, except for those to be saved on the ark.

I hope this helps with your concerns on this piece of scriptural history!

[Amaterasu]

Well now that makes no sense.  Noah must have been also of the same bloodline, n'est pas?  And what of His wives?

And what is the definition of "sin?"

And You still didn't answer why not just UNcreate the ones He didn't want?  Why a flood and not a *POOF*?  Why the horror of drowning for all?  It would have served the purpose just as well to *POOF* Them, or just put the "savior" in then and there.  And I struggle to see one single Human as having "found grace in the eyes of the Lord."

I just think it shows He is not omnipotent.

So...  Not really, no, it does not help.  Sorry.  [shrug]

[The Matrix Traveller]

What happened to "the Forgiveness of sins" ?

Is this Contradictory to some of the writings ?

I guess there is something wrong with the writings after all ?