Is ET inherently demonic?

[Littleenki]

I think Gigas meant he was done on this particular thread...I hope not the whole shooting match..how bout it gigas? Please stay.

As far as ET being demonicm we need to define demonic first, as like Undo said, even cute little doggies can be demonic!

Websters doenst do the word justice as we are searching for, so can someone here, preferably the OP define demonic in the context it was given?

Personally I think ET would be a bit lording over us, but not really demonic.
But, as above so below, as below so above...which means we could have a kind friendly group of Et's and of course a demonic group of them as well.

Keeps it balanced that way, eh?

Le

[Eighthman]

So, 7 pages and no definition of 'demonic'? 

I don't see that wild, orgy-type sex makes ET's demonic.  They are a wholly and unimaginably different culture, subject to rules we can barely comprehend.

In addition, sex in our world can be wrong because of STD's, unintended pregnancy and a linked sense of bonding/self-worth attached to it.  An advanced culture could get ahead of that stuff and then it's all good.

[zorgon]

As far as ET being demonicm we need to define demonic first, as like Undo said, even cute little doggies can be demonic!

Websters doenst do the word justice as we are searching for, so can someone here, preferably the OP define demonic in the context it was given?

Since Demons were brought to us by the Catholic Church why not ask THEM what it means?



Demons
(Greek daimon and daimonion, Latin daemonium).

In Scripture and in Catholic theology this word has come to mean much the same as devil and denotes one of the evil spirits or fallen angels. And in fact in some places in the New Testament where the Vulgate, in agreement with the Greek, has daemonium, our vernacular versions read devil. The precise distinction between the two terms in ecclesiastical usage may be seen in the phrase used in the decree of the Fourth Lateran Council: "Diabolus enim et alii daemones" (The devil and the other demons), i.e. all are demons, and the chief of the demons is called the devil. This distinction is observed in the Vulgate New Testament, where diabolus represents the Greek diabolos and in almost every instance refers to Satan himself, while his subordinate angels are described, in accordance with the Greek, as daemones or daemonia. This must not be taken, however, to indicate a difference of nature; for Satan is clearly included among the daemones in James 2:19 and in Luke 11:15-18.

But though the word demon is now practically restricted to this sinister sense, it was otherwise with the earlier usage of the Greek writers. The word, which is apparently derived from daio "to divide" or "apportion", originally meant a divine being; it was occasionally applied to the higher gods and goddesses, but was more generally used to denote spiritual beings of a lower order coming between gods and men. For the most part these were beneficent beings, and their office was somewhat analogous to that of the angels in Christian theology. Thus the adjective eydaimon "happy", properly meant one who was guided and guarded by a good demon. Some of these Greek demons, however, were evil and malignant. Hence we have the counterpart to eudamonia "happiness", in kakodaimonia which denoted misfortune, or in its more original meaning, being under the possession of an evil demon. In the Greek of the New Testament and in the language of the early Fathers, the word was already restricted to the sinister sense, which was natural enough, now that even the higher gods of the Greeks had come to be regarded as devils.

We have a curious instance of the confusion caused by the ambiguity and variations in the meaning of the word, in the case of the celebrated "Daemon" of Socrates. This has been understood in a bad sense by some Christian writers who have made it a matter of reproach that the great Greek philosopher was accompanied and prompted by a demon. But, as Cardinal Manning clearly shows in his paper on the subject, the word here has a very different meaning. He points to the fact that both Plato and Xenophon use the form daimonion, which Cicero rightly renders as divinum aliguid, "something divine". And after a close examination of the account of the matter given by Socrates himself in the reports transmitted by his disciples, he concludes that the promptings of the "Daemon" were the dictates of conscience, which is the voice of God.

It may be observed that a similar change and deterioration of meaning has taken place in the Iranian languages in the case of the word daeva. Etymologically this is identical with the Sanskrit deva, by which it is rendered in Neriosengh's version of the Avesta. But whereas the devas of Indian theology are good and beneficent gods, the daevas of the Avesta are hateful spirits of evil. (See also DEMONOLOGY.)

Catholic Encyclopedia _ New Advent

So there ya go...even THEY can't make up their minds.

[biggles]

Hope you dont mind OP but I will answer Mr Smarty Pants here 

I have stated again and again on here that Luci er (sorry letter PH wont work) and his band o angels were thrown out o Heaven by my beauti ul St Michael and his band.

And so it goes they walk the earth .or the rest o enternity until God decides what happens to them.  The .allen angels lusted a ter the women on earth, where you get the nephilim .rom.

And that is where you get the bad demons or daemons, that can take over a body and wreck havoc around; how bloody more plain do we have to get to let you know what demons are about.  Sheesh. 

And dont pick on my missing letter in above post please; you have been told more times than I can think where demons came .rom.

Hope ully it will stick this time. 

[zorgon]

I have stated again and again on here that Lucifer and his band of angels were thrown out of Heaven by my beautiful St Michael and his band.

You can say it a thousand times.. its still only one opinion. The above post on description f demons is by the RCC who invented them

And if Lucifer and his pretties were indeed 'From the Heavans than they ARE TRUE ET... Extra Terrestrial, not of this Earth. Seems simple enough doesn't it?

Personally I don't think your supporting the right team It was the Bringer of Light that wants you to have free will, be happy and have Knowledge. The guy with the white beard wanted to withhold knowledge and wants you to blindly worship him and if ya don't bow down before him and grovel, hell's to pay or he throws a hissy fit and wipes out all life with a flood...

So the Greeks were right  the "Daemon" of Socrates was the Voice of God

Simple 

And so it goes they walk the earth for the rest of eternity until God decides what happens to them.  The Fallen angels lusted after the women on earth, where you get the nephilim from.

Well that is just a story... I don't happen to agree with it

But what is up with all these ET's lusting after our Earth Girls?  Heck even Jabba the Hut was drooling over Princess Leia

And that is where you get the bad demons or daemons, that can take over a body and wreck havoc around; how bloody more plain do we have to get to let you know what demons are about.  Sheesh. 

Well the RCC that does exorcisms doesn't have the answer, so how can we?

You have been told more times than I can think where demons came from

I have been told one VERSION of where Demons come from. I don't believe in those type

Hopefully it will stick this time. 

Sorry no...  it won't.  I could tell you where possession really comes from but that would take a week and you wouldn't believe me anyway

[biggles]

I watched this doco in its entirety.  It was St Michael that saved him, the boys was a very hard case and true story.

I think its that Rosicarian lessons that have given you the wrong story.

My gut says I'm right.

I have a statue o St Michael in my entrance hall; he has been there me many, many times and I think that vid above proves above all else that the phallen angels, daemons can be excorcised by The Great and Magistical St Michael.  And dont dare say a word about him neither Mr Z.

[Primus58]

Biggles, St. Michael is awesome!

I have to disagree with Zorgon, the RCC didn't make up demons, they're definitely real; remember, Christ banished them into a herd of pigs that subsequently ran into a river and drown. The fallen were real, they had free will, chose to oppose and challenge God and were banished to earth before man was created. This separation from God (love) made them wicked, twisted and grotesque! They influence the human race every chance they get via spiritual warfare; Hitler is just one prime example of this! Possession is real, but I think it's rare, (but I don't know)! I think some mistake mental illness for possession. Demon oppression is common, from the most subtle to extreme cases. As for following the Light Bearer, no thanks! Perhaps some of the wisdom taught from that side of the Yin Yang as long as the balance is stable, not too far either way; we have enough fanatics!

This is what I believe; but, as Matrix Traveler pointed out, belief does not make it truth!

[zorgon]

I have to disagree with Zorgon,

No you don't HAVE to but its okay if you do

Possession is real, but I think it's rare, (but I don't know)!

I never said Possession wasn't real and yes TRUE Possession is rare (a good thing)

I just disagree with the source of that Possession. 

I think some mistake mental illness for possession. Demon oppression is common, from the most subtle to extreme cases.

True there are many mistaken diagnosis. It really depends on who is doing the diagnosis...

As for following the Light Bearer, no thanks! Perhaps some of the wisdom taught from that side of the Yin Yang as long as the balance is stable, not too far either way; we have enough fanatics!

But you only have ONE side of the story... and its but him in a bad light. If the SOURCE of that story is wrong, then he got a bad rap. kinda like the victor writes the history books.

The way I see it there were two powerful Alien races fighting over the Planet. The side that won YOU call God and his Angels...  In all my studies over 35 years what I see is that the wrong side won.

This is what I believe; but, as Matrix Traveler pointed out, belief does not make it truth!

And nothing I can say or show is likely to convince you otherwise.... nor do I intend to try.

But if I am right, and I strongly believe I am, then a whole lot of people are going to have a very rude awakening.

The fact that most f you are here on a conspiracy/alien/UFO site tells me that at least subconsciously... you suspect I may be right

[biggles]

Exactly right Primus58, RCC did not make up daemons and those that think they are just stories and dont believe, well that's your choice.

What can I say about The Great St Michael, I love him, love him, love him.

He is the Leader oph Heavenly Angels Army, God's Army and yet with all the requests that he gets, millions, probably billions o them, he is still there phor little old me.................what can I say to that, what, the sinner oph sinners me, he is there.

I love him dearly and pray to him that he is always there phor me.

Sorry that letter right across rom D on keyboard wont work.

Again I say to think demons are just phairy stories, I would be very care ull i I were you Zorgon.   Just not believing in them opens you up to that.

[biggles]

No you don't HAVE to but its okay if you do

I never said Possession wasn't real and yes TRUE Possession is rare (a good thing)

I just disagree with the source of that Possession. 

True there are many mistaken diagnosis. It really depends on who is doing the diagnosis...

But you only have ONE side of the story... and its but him in a bad light. If the SOURCE of that story is wrong, then he got a bad rap. kinda like the victor writes the history books.

The way I see it there were two powerful Alien races fighting over the Planet. The side that won YOU call God and his Angels...  In all my studies over 35 years what I see is that the wrong side won.

And nothing I can say or show is likely to convince you otherwise.... nor do I intend to try.

But if I am right, and I strongly believe I am, then a whole lot of people are going to have a very rude awakening.

The fact that most f you are here on a conspiracy/alien/UFO site tells me that at least subconsciously... you suspect I may be right

You just dont bloody get do you Zorgon.  I am awake and aware to the point that I know there are probably billions oph planets that are occupied with liphe phorms (sorry no p, letter that comes prior to oot as in bottom o leg)

Now Yes, there is a bloody war going on up there, I have said bephore the reason they intervene on some things and not on others is because oph a yes or no phrom the Creator because we are a karmic planet with phree will.

That has nothing to do with the phall................no matter what you say. 

[Primus58]

The way I see it there were two powerful Alien races fighting over the Planet. The side that won YOU call God and his Angels...  In all my studies over 35 years what I see is that the wrong side won.

Despite the threat of BURNING IN HELL , I am willing to examine your belief with an open mind and a bucket of Extra Holy Water!

Watch, we are all wrong, we're in a  Gary Larsen cartoon, and some kid is holding us captive in a used pickle jar!

[Primus58]

I have said bephore the reason they intervene on some things and not on others is because oph a yes or no phrom the Creator because we are a karmic planet with phree will.

Dear Biggles, Wheel of Fortune is coming to a town near you; Would you like to buy an "F"?

[zorgon]

I watched this doco in its entirety.  It was St Michael that saved him, the boys was a very hard case and true story.

Well I have no desire to shake your faith in St Michael  but seriously a Youtube presentation by SaintBirgitta? Oh yeah no way that could be faked for an agenda huh?

1 John 4:1 (New King James Version)

Test the Spirits

4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Here are a couple other YT vids about that person

I think its that Rosicarian lessons that have given you the wrong story.

My beliefs in this matter were my own long before i joined the Rosicrucians. They are not a Religious organization and tolerate ALL beliefs

As for possession... you CANNOT be possessed unless you let them in by your own free will. Once they are 'in' there are many methods to reach the original occupant and pull them out. If a strong belief in St Michael works, then so be it

I would however strongly advice any people thinking of toying with a Ouija Board or clear crystal ball to NOT do so.. because the entity you invite in is very hard to get rid of... and n, they are not 'demons' in the sense most people think of the term

[biggles]

I would laugh only the bottom line is its just too serious.

I too have studied comparative religion and philosophies oph all kinds and came to the conclusion that there is yin and yang in the multi universe, etc, etc but there is also the war that went down in Heaven, the phall out phrom that and daemons are real, there is total phact about them when you search phor it.

I can see all your bravado go in an instant iph one oph your own was really possessed and Your oph the Star or whatever wasnt helping none.

You'd soon be looking everywhere phor a bone phida excorcist; one that calls on the power oph St Michael and invoking his excorcism passages.

[biggles]

Now you have gone too phar Zorgon.  That documentary was on television way be ore that youtube picked it up, its a true story, dont believe then.

Primus58 my cat jumps up on my laptop and he managed to scrape out the Ph letter.

I will phix it maybe    Love to you. xxoo

I am logging oph now, but I am sure Zorgon will have the last say like he always does because its his darn phorum. Pooh to you.

Dont let him shake your phaith or put stupid ideas into your head sweetie.