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[petrus4]

but people that want their book promoted by the paradigm critics will still be forced by the people who want to be paradigm editors.  see, everyone is doing what they want to in the paradigm.   to tell a perfectly legit career field like book editors, that they are out of job so sorry get a different one, wouldn't work in the paradigm would it?  imagine how many jobs you would have to axe just to force the world to behave the way you want them to

Undo, the thing that you are not understanding here, is that we are talking about a scenario where "jobs," are absent.  In the society that Amaterasu and I (and to a greater or lesser extent, Jacques Fresco, although there are some minor differences of opinion there) envision, "jobs," do not exist.

This is where it becomes exceptionally difficult for most people to see where we are coming from.  Even in terms of the Internet, probably 90% of the population do not have the kind of direct personal experience that I have had with a gift economy, (in terms of childhood pre-Internet software sharing for the Commodore 64 and Amiga computers, and then more recognisable file sharing once the Internet became available) and even fewer would have had my recent anthropological experience with the hippie subculture, where I was able to observe elements of an ethos very similar to the Abundance Paradigm/Equal Value System, being viably practiced on a daily basis. 

In other words, the only reason why I know that any of this works, is because I have direct, empirical evidence; I have seen it work.

The other problem is that most people are so heavily ideologically invested in Capitalism, that it is largely impossible for them to comprehend that another viable system might exist.

Said other system is viable, or could be, but it is not viable in a sociopolitical environment like the current one, where society is governed by psychopaths, and where society also has a strong atheist/pseudo-rationalist caste, which is aggressive in enforcing public ideological conformity to the lies of the psychopathic authorities.  Our police state is not merely one in physical terms, but in intellectual terms also; Richard Dawkins and his disciples play the same role for the mind, that uniformed police do for the body.

Another thing to understand, is that the media industry in particular, are relentless in their brainwashing of the population.  Theft constitutes a moral crime where it exclusively concerns non-renewable, physical objects; such that the theft of one of said objects, causes an irredeemable loss to the owner of said object. 

The media cartels would have people believe that that is true to precisely the same degree with intangible media; that is, information itself.  This is, however, flawed reasoning, and it is engaged in deliberately, for the purposes of promoting psychopathic greed.  What file sharing potentially causes a loss of, is the distribution monopoly governing a particular example of media; and given the scarcity-based nature of the rest of society, said monopolies are justified on the basis that individuals require money in order to maintain physical existence at all.

Look to your Messiah, Undo.  I am not advocating anything which he himself did not.  He advocated that people have faith in the idea that they will be provided for without worry, and you probably also know of the example of his feeding his disciples from a wheat field on the Sabbath, which like many other things he did, drew criticism from the Jewish authorities.

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psychopathic greed

working (if able) to buy necessities is not psychopathic. 
furthering your education so you can do an even better job to make even more money, is reward for dedication.  neither of these are bad things.
where the problem arises is when some can't or won't work or when someone deliberately sabotages the hard work of others. for example, i painted a picture about 10 years ago, of the singer david bowie.  it was my first real digital painting of a famous person.  all my other artworks were of fantasy based things that i just made up, like mermaids or fairies for example. 

well i took the color pallete from the photograph of bowie and using a digital paint program painted it free hand on an empty digital canvas., without any layers or tracing or even guidelines.   i used the smudge tool, to achieve effects that made his hair look crazier, cause it was bowie as the goblin king from labyrinth with that wacky red hair spiked all over the place.  then, when i was happy with it, i put it in an online art gallery, where i had some of my fantasy work.  the owner of the gallery accused me of just taking the smudge brush and pushing the colors around so that it looked like i painted it.   and he did this not only on my galler but on the forums for the whole site which had thousands of members. 

i was devastated.  after i recovered from the blow, i tried to submit other artworks to another fantasy based art gallery and they wouldn't accept them, claiming the same thing, that i was photo manipulating. i was not.  i went from being sad to be livid, and completely gave up art for years.  then finally i submitted a piece to a real high brow fantasy art gallery. it was rejected but the reason given was that it was not good enough, rather than accusing me of photomanipulation. this was acceptable as it was a problem that could be resolved. i would just improve it and resubmit it until they accepted it.   

at the time, they had a works in progress forum where other artists could critique your work.  immediately this chick descended on my art and claimed it was total crap.  when i finally got it to the point where it was accepted by the gallery (and that wasn't easy),  she accused me of...........photomanipulation.  after that i only managed to get one other piece up there everything else was rejected.  i was literally run out of the art world on a rail.  not because i didn't have talent, but because, as a general rule, people suck

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here was the first piece the high brow art gallery accepted:

[Amaterasu]

ama

i really do love the idea but it's just not going to work.  people who want to do something that ruins that vision in anyway, such as wanting to continue doing what they know how to do, such as editing texts, or prostitution, drug dealing, writing religious books or books that are subversive in some way, it would require such a high level of micromanagement of everyone's paradigm that people would feel oppressed in the midst of their free stuff.

Huh???  Lessee...  I want to edit; it is My bliss.  I put an ad on the interweb.  Five writers see it and send Me Their stuff.  I edit it for Them and send it back - and then They publish.  Who's doing any management?

I want to have sex (not sure what I would prostitute Myself for...); I put an ad out on the web.  20 guys respond and I arrange time with all of Them.  When They're done, They post reviews to the web of Their experience, and if I'm good in bed, I earn social currency, and MORE guys contact Me.  If I'm not so good, I may have to keep running ads.  Who's doing the managements?

I want to provide drugs; I put an ad out on the web and 10 People contact Me and I give Them drugs.  They use them and report on the web about the quality of what I provided.  If My drugs are good, I earn social status.  If not, I may keep having to put out ads.   (To be fair here, drug dealers are NOT drug dealers because They LOVE to deal drugs; They are drug dealers to make MONEY...)  Who's doing the management?

I want to write religious books; it is My bliss.  I spend all the time I want to, writing.  I may even hunt the web for an editor...  When I think a book is finished, I publish it...  Who's doing the management?

I want to write subversive books...  Hmmmm.  What would One be subverting...?  "Let's go back to most of Us living in poverty with a power "elite" taking the planet over; with millions of Us dying in starvation each year, with a debt-slavery system and being controlled through money!  Here's how!"  Ok, even presuming there is something to subvert, if One wants to write such, One can.  One can even publish it.  But readership - or at least anyOne willing to support the plan after reading...  Those may be hard to come by.  Still...  Who's doing the managing?

Please!  Give Me more things People LOVE to do.  Or anything that needs doing.  I will show You how there is no management at all.

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ama

scenario:
joe blo is a writing critic.  he loves to critique the writings of others and other people like to read his critiques.  he becomes famous.  authors begin scrambling to have this guy critique their work.  he starts rejecting pieces and has a separate column on crappy writers.  yeah.

yeah, you are underestimating the levels people will stoop to for pecking order with or without money. 

in a closed society like petrus was talking aobut, that's a different thing entirely.  they have the liberty to reject members who are not willing to do the task assigned to them.  and if they chose the task willingly they would likely not keep it if something more appropriate to their interests  came their way.

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captain jack. thankfully no one accused me of photomanipulating him

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my most popular painting,
riku from the video game, kingdom hearts. i painted for my daughter. she was a riku fan.

i'm bringing all this up to show you that there was no reason for them to treat my artwork like they did, other than it wasn't as good as someone else's or was too good (looked to lifelike in the case of bowie. i learned i would have to deliberately make it look messy.  doh. but riku, you can just tell i painted it, even though it's neat, you can see the brush strokes easily).

the point here is, these paintings were on FREE ART GALLERIES. yes, i was run out on a rail from a free art gallery.  free, as in everyone does their thang, sorta art gallery.  no money involved.

paradigm won't work.

[Amaterasu]

working (if able) to buy necessities is not psychopathic. 

In a scarcity paradigm, in a world where that is expected, nay, even necessary to live, this is true.  But if One did not have to work for the necessities, One is then free to spend time as One chooses.

It would be psychopathic if One chose to continue a world where People must spend the bulk of Their time enriching the few, doing things They are less than enamored of (with bumper stickers saying "I'd rather be [doing what, in the abundance paradigm, They COULD be doing]), as debt slaves, with rampant poverty and starvation - over choosing a world where They and everyOne had plenty of quality food to eat, appropriate and well made clothing of Their choice, a domicile They are happy with, and available transportation to anywhere.

furthering your education so you can do an even better job to make even more money, is reward for dedication.  neither of these are bad things.

So further Your education to become an expert in Your bliss and earn social currency - renown, praise, being the "go-to" Person...  And You don't have to go into debt to half Your life to get that education.  No, they're not bad - it's just that there is so much BETTER a way to go.

where the problem arises is when some can't or won't work

Not in the abundance paradigm...no NEED to do anything.  But with One's bliss available to One, most WILL choose to contribute in a way They love.

or when someone deliberately sabotages the hard work of others. for example, i painted a picture about 10 years ago, of the singer david bowie.  it was my first real digital painting of a famous person.  all my other artworks were of fantasy based things that i just made up, like mermaids or fairies for example. 

well i took the color pallete from the photograph of bowie and using a digital paint program painted it free hand on an empty digital canvas., without any layers or tracing or even guidelines.   i used the smudge tool, to achieve effects that made his hair look crazier, cause it was bowie as the goblin king from labyrinth with that wacky red hair spiked all over the place.  then, when i was happy with it, i put it in an online art gallery, where i had some of my fantasy work.  the owner of the gallery accused me of just taking the smudge brush and pushing the colors around so that it looked like i painted it.   and he did this not only on my galler but on the forums for the whole site which had thousands of members. 

i was devastated.  after i recovered from the blow, i tried to submit other artworks to another fantasy based art gallery and they wouldn't accept them, claiming the same thing, that i was photo manipulating. i was not.  i went from being sad to be livid, and completely gave up art for years.  then finally i submitted a piece to a real high brow fantasy art gallery. it was rejected but the reason given was that it was not good enough, rather than accusing me of photomanipulation. this was acceptable as it was a problem that could be resolved. i would just improve it and resubmit it until they accepted it.   

at the time, they had a works in progress forum where other artists could critique your work.  immediately this chick descended on my art and claimed it was total crap.  when i finally got it to the point where it was accepted by the gallery (and that wasn't easy),  she accused me of...........photomanipulation.  after that i only managed to get one other piece up there everything else was rejected.  i was literally run out of the art world on a rail.  not because i didn't have talent, but because, as a general rule, people suck

I will admit, there is little cure for interpersonal poor behavior.  Except that such digital galleries will be online, will be begging the artists (not the other way around), and other shifts (like those doing galleries will be doing so because They LOVE to do them and not because They can make money...), and a gallery purveyor will have a rep to keep and will be more inclined to be civil.  Too many artists treated poorly and the gallery will die.

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restating this from above, so you address it ama

the point here is, these paintings were on FREE ART GALLERIES. yes, i was run out on a rail from a free art gallery.  free, as in everyone does their thang, sorta art gallery.  no money involved.

paradigm won't work.

one last picture. in order to paint a pic of one of my favorite movie characters (wesley from princess bride), i had to put it up with a link that showed every step i took to paint it, every tool, frame by frame, i uploaded each new change, consisting of some 10 pages of copies of the image after each new modification. that's the extent i had to go to to redeem myself.   a few people said it looked great, one put it in classic movie gallery, but that's where it ended because my rep as an artist had already been ruined. 

[Amaterasu]

restating this from above, so you address it ama

the point here is, these paintings were on FREE ART GALLERIES. yes, i was run out on a rail from a free art gallery.  free, as in everyone does their thang, sorta art gallery.  no money involved.

paradigm won't work.

one last picture. in order to paint a pic of one of my favorite movie characters (wesley from princess bride), i had to put it up with a link that showed every step i took to paint it, every tool, frame by frame, i uploaded each new change, consisting of some 10 pages of copies of the image after each new modification. that's the extent i had to go to to redeem myself.   a few people said it looked great, one put it in classic movie gallery, but that's where it ended because my rep as an artist had already been ruined.

Beth, if that is what You're using to say the whole will not work...  I wonder.  But in T.A.P., what skin will it be off Your nose if some galleries reject Your work?  Lesson:  Document the process (that's where Personal Witness would be very handy, n'est pas?).  Then no One will dare make accusations unless They are quite sure of the truth to the accusations They make.  If You had documented the work in progress of the Bowie thing...that would have been egg all over the face of the accuser.

Sure, some People will be snits.  Eventually though, it will catch up with Them.  No, all problems are not solved.  Just the vast majority.  And to be fair, if I had the rep of Picasso and could trade it for Humanity living as well as Each wished...I'd ditch the rep in a heartbeat.

Oh, and BTW...  NICE work!

[petrus4]

working (if able) to buy necessities is not psychopathic.

The activity in and of itself is not, no; but the authors of the system which created the necessity for such, are.

Before you defend the conventional/Capitalistic work ethic, I would also strongly suggest that you take a close look at who it primarily benefits.  You will likely discover that it is not you.
 

furthering your education so you can do an even better job to make even more money, is reward for dedication.  neither of these are bad things.

I will never attempt to claim that work, in and of itself, is an inherently bad thing.  The problem arises in the definition of work, and also the social organisation surrounding said work.  Human societies make no allowance whatsoever, for any form of natural self-organisation.  Everything must be organised by some centralised, autocratic authority which supposedly knows best.



It all goes back to our friend, here; the proverbial loyal opposition.  These are who Amaterasu refer to as the Lizard Hearted.  Their way of life depends not only on them being the tiny minority at the capstone of the pyramid, but them also having a broad base of loyal, industrious, busy workers, who outnumber them by at least several million to one. 

So naturally they want us to have as strong a work ethic as possible; because it's preferable for them in several different ways if you are willing to motivate yourself for their agenda, rather than them having an overseer crack a physical whip.  Apart from anything else, they rely very heavily on our being able to deceive ourselves that we are actually free; and that is made very difficult if we have an external taskmaster.

then, when i was happy with it, i put it in an online art gallery, where i had some of my fantasy work.  the owner of the gallery accused me of just taking the smudge brush and pushing the colors around so that it looked like i painted it.   and he did this not only on my galler but on the forums for the whole site which had thousands of members.

Antisocial behaviour, in my observation, is primarily caused by people being in positions of authority, when said positions also govern a sufficiently large number of people, that said authorities are also relatively anonymous, and therefore are also unaccountable.  To get a positive result in virtually any social scenario, you want a total number of less than a thousand people, within the individual group or context you are in.

So, yes; by going to a web site with a viewer number in the thousands, you were more or less guaranteeing yourself a negative result, since positive social dynamics have no chance of scaling to a community of that size.  You need to be in a more intimate environment if you want it to work.

[Amaterasu]

ama

scenario:
joe blo is a writing critic.  he loves to critique the writings of others and other people like to read his critiques.  he becomes famous.  authors begin scrambling to have this guy critique their work.  he starts rejecting pieces and has a separate column on crappy writers.  yeah.

Sorry.  Missed this...

What would motivate this guy to start making a list of People He thinks are crappy?  Is it a Betterment Ethic?  Really?  Most will see that as rather petty.  They want to know who the GOOD writers are.  HIS social currency will drop.

yeah, you are underestimating the levels people will stoop to for pecking order with or without money. 

No...  No I'm not.  Pecking orders are for People who need to establish Themselves in a hierarchy.  In T.A.P., there IS no hierarchy, per se, and all must prove THEMSELVES and not rag on Others for status...

in a closed society like petrus was talking aobut, that's a different thing entirely.  they have the liberty to reject members who are not willing to do the task assigned to them.  and if they chose the task willingly they would likely not keep it if something more appropriate to their interests  came their way.

Except...  There ARE no assigned tasks.  Anywhere.  The People doing the work do it because it makes Them HAPPY.  Sure, People will shift around in what They are doing as time goes on, but the point is that there will be PLENTY of People to do the creative, investigative and caring things, while the dull and unsavory things are done by machine.

Have You read My piece on stigmergic governance...?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2103.0

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ama

i promise i will read it momentarily (stigmeric),  but allow me to point out that what will happen, i'm fairly certain, is that people who are not popular, for whatever reason, will be deemed unfit to have the benefits everyone else has and this will result in a sort of prison like population of people who have to do all the stuff no one else wants to do.  there will be no paradigm for them and no safeguards in place to assure that doesn't happen.  if 6000+ years of human civilization has not taught you that, you aren't paying attention.

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k i responded in your stigmeric thread

[Amaterasu]

ama

i promise i will read it momentarily (stigmeric),  but allow me to point out that what will happen, i'm fairly certain, is that people who are not popular, for whatever reason, will be deemed unfit to have the benefits everyone else has and this will result in a sort of prison like population of people who have to do all the stuff no one else wants to do.  there will be no paradigm for them and no safeguards in place to assure that doesn't happen.  if 6000+ years of human civilization has not taught you that, you aren't paying attention.

Deemed?  Why?  EveryOne can go to the web and order what They want and the robots will deliver.  You think the robots are going to pass judgment?  No One will be dealing on any regular basis with anyOne They don't like.  If someOne is unpleasant enough, don't hang out with Them.

And haven't You been paying attention?  Anything no One WANTS TO DO is done by ROBOTS.