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[undo11]

Deemed?  Why?  EveryOne can go to the web and order what They want and the robots will deliver.  You think the robots are going to pass judgment?  No One will be dealing on any regular basis with anyOne They don't like.  If someOne is unpleasant enough, don't hang out with Them.

who will enforce the laws?  they will be pressured by groups that are already in place in society, to eradicate their competition, for the hearts and minds of the planet.  so you'll have abrahamic religions vs.  atheism, vs. buddhism vs. new ageism vs. everything else -ism.  somebody is gonna get sent to the labor camp to do the jobs no one else wants to do in the name of society and social order. just exactly what stalin did.  and he was the biggest mass murder in human history. 

[petrus4]

who will enforce the laws?  they will be pressured by groups that are already in place in society, to eradicate their competition, for the hearts and minds of the planet.  so you'll have abrahamic religions vs.  atheism, vs. buddhism vs. new ageism vs. everything else -ism.  somebody is gonna get sent to the labor camp to do the jobs no one else wants to do in the name of society and social order. just exactly what stalin did.  and he was the biggest mass murder in human history.

It is already happening.

[undo11]

no actually i' m not.
this is why. i have been studying and admiring the work of mr jacque (the florida guy who came up with the future city and hydroponic farming and all that. watched many videos of his and read info on him too).  was impressed greatly till i heard him say, just briefly (and this always seems to be that sort of underlying secret that is obvious but not discussed), that religion would have to be done away with in the name of peace and progress.  what that translates to is, it isn't enough to control how you spend your time or where, or in what state, but also what you think about in the space between your ears.  this is not an acceptable future for religious people, and i'm sure were the shoe on the other foot, it would not an acceptable future for the non religious.

considering the rhetoric i see spewed around the internet, the increasing hostility towards christians and the obvious backlash towards them, the hostility towards jews and muslims, the concerns and fears pinging off the walls, the brainwashing enmasse of people via popular music, movies, television, the internet, video games and etc,  don't tell me that the first people that would be forced to go do those jobs no one else wants to, would not be the people deemed least desirable, which as you can tell in modern day society is as follows:

1. any one in an abrahamic religion.
2. white people

to further break that down.

1.  any white people in an abrahamic religion.

to further break that down

1. any white people in judaism or christianity.

now you know, and i know, it ain't gonna be jewish people. it's gonna be the christians.

they'll be the new peons of the planet...at least, the ones that are allowed to live.   

seriously, don't sit there and pretend you haven't actually pondered this cause i think i can read well enough to know how this world view places on a popularity chart .lol

[petrus4]

no actually i' m not.
this is why. i have been studying and admiring the work of mr jacque (the florida guy who came up with the future city and hydroponic farming and all that. watched many videos of his and read info on him too).  was impressed greatly till i heard him say, just briefly (and this always seems to be that sort of underlying secret that is obvious but not discussed), that religion would have to be done away with in the name of peace and progress.

Yes, Jacque is an anti-theist.  He actually makes Richard Dawkins look like Gandhi in more or less general terms.  That is one of my problems with him.  There are a couple of others.

As to your other point, no, Christians aren't going to be made into a slave caste and sent to the re-education camps; at least not in any scenario that I advocate.  What Christians don't seem to recognise, is the fact that they themselves being persecuted on a unique basis in that manner, would imply that their view of themselves as being at the center of the universe was actually correct; which, frankly, it isn't.  If anyone was going to be sent to re-education camps, there is no sane reason why it would exclusively be Christians who were sent to them.  Other groups would be as well; in fact, Muslims would be much more likely to be ahead of you in the queue, given the current political climate.

[undo11]

This is going to get you abused; and frankly, for this point, you deserve it. 

pardon?

[undo11]

have you read my thoughts on bible prophecy yet, petrus4? 

[Amaterasu]

who will enforce the laws?  they will be pressured by groups that are already in place in society, to eradicate their competition, for the hearts and minds of the planet.  so you'll have abrahamic religions vs.  atheism, vs. buddhism vs. new ageism vs. everything else -ism.  somebody is gonna get sent to the labor camp to do the jobs no one else wants to do in the name of society and social order. just exactly what stalin did.  and he was the biggest mass murder in human history.

Who will enforce the three Laws?  Those who care.  And with the web, that can turn into millions pretty quickly if the crime is heinous enough.

If poor behavior choices are made and any of the three Laws are broken...it won't matter what ism You are.

And if Those who care see that You are a threat, You will be confined to a luxury estate somewhere and not be allowed to leave - taken out of social circulation. 

[petrus4]

pardon?

a}  I did not mean you individually, there.
b}  I also actually went back and deleted that entire rant, because I recognised that it was counterproductive.  I should have deleted it before I submitted the actual post.

[undo11]

Who will enforce the three Laws?  Those who care.  And with the web, that can turn into millions pretty quickly if the crime is heinous enough.

If poor behavior choices are made and any of the three Laws are broken...it won't matter what ism You are.

And if Those who care see that You are a threat, You will be confined to a luxury estate somewhere and not be allowed to leave - taken out of social circulation.

not acceptable.  what if the person didn't do anything wrong but someone who knows how to hack the internet, makes them look guilty?

[petrus4]

And if Those who care see that You are a threat, You will be confined to a luxury estate somewhere and not be allowed to leave - taken out of social circulation.

That has already pretty much been done in northern Europe; I remember the outrage expressed over photos of Breivik's accomodations.  Americans, it seems, tend to believe more in stress positions, water boarding, and being held in solitary confinement in near caves, as a means of preventing re-offense, and inducing sound social and moral reform in criminal offenders.

[undo11]

a}  I did not mean you individually, there.
b}  I also actually went back and deleted that entire rant, because I recognised that it was counterproductive.  I should have deleted it before I submitted the actual post.

yes but those are your actual thoughts.  that's like so different than how i think of you and the other people here.  it's like a shock to my brain when i see it cause it doesn't register fully on my logic circuits.

[petrus4]

yes but those are your actual thoughts.  that's like so different than how i think of you and the other people here.  it's like a shock to my brain when i see it cause it doesn't register fully on my logic circuits.

Well, before you dismiss me as a total bigot, understand that I am feeling particularly sore due to edlogic's behaviour at the moment; it isn't actually due to you individually at all.

I'm just tired of the feeling that some of the things which are most valuable to me, are continually implied or thought of as being demonically evil; again, not by you, but by Christians I encountered on ATS; and even though the ones here are generally well-behaved, there have occasionally been hints of narrow mindedness among one or two others here, as well.

I do not want to believe in a universe which God is considered in control of in theory, but Satan is considered in control of in practice, Undo.  I do not want to believe in a universe where extraterrestrials are unavoidably demonic by default.  I am also very tired of the attitude, when looking at and trying to understand such things as the pyramids, which simply do not make sense according to the contemporary mainstream view of reality, that it doesn't matter if we don't have answers concerning those things, because if something isn't explicitly mentioned in the Bible, then it is supposedly Satanic anyway.

I want to believe in a universe which has love as its' motive force; and more, contrary to the opinion of many Christians, I actually believe that said universe does exist.  I want a scenario where we do have the ability to change the future for the better; and again, I think we actually can have that.

I don't want to, and I'm not going to, believe in an alleged scenario where humanity is unable to go further than the higher atmosphere of this planet, because supposedly as soon as we do, we are opposed by literal demons flying around in UFOs, who demand that we go back; because supposedly our own planet is the one small part of this entire universe which Satan does not completely and totally rule.  This is what some Christians I've seen on the Internet, actually believe.

It is sick, it is false, it is unnecessary, and I utterly reject it.

[Amaterasu]

not acceptable.  what if the person didn't do anything wrong but someone who knows how to hack the internet, makes them look guilty?

The open-sourced, unhackable internet...  Well, that's where Personal Witness comes in.

To be frank, though I imagine it MIGHT happen that someOne would commit a crime and TRY to do that...  The incidents of crime will be so uncommon that there will be an intense scrutiny and investigation by MANY who are disinterested but care.

And if You are perhaps trying to suggest that We should forgo the AP, because someOne might try to frame another - happens ALL the time now and FAR more frequently - by many orders of magnitude - than it would in the AP.

[zorgon]

When They're done, They post reviews to the web of Their experience, and if I'm good in bed, I earn social currency, and MORE guys contact Me.  If I'm not so good, I may have to keep running ads.  Who's doing the managements?

And how is this 'social currency' any different from money... which started out as social currency in the first place?

In Toronto several businesses set up a barter system. We were selling security systems so we would barter a home alarm to those in the system who needed one and they would return whatever service that they provided.

Works great on a small scale, but soon you end up with an imbalance. They was solved by keeping a note book of credits... so if you didn't need any more shows, but needed your car fixed, you could use that credit to do that.

In effect in the end the same thing happens that happened with money... that credit becomes a barter currency. he only advantage was it wasn't taxes and was under the radar.

Now we bartered goods that we had an abundance of and when we had idle time it was good for us to build that barter credit.

The problem comes when their is a missing link in the chain... what happens if there is no part supplier in that loop? Where do we then get replacement parts to continue to barter?

Your system could work fine on a small local level... it can NEVER work on a Global scale...

It would require setting back the clock to a simpler age... and that would NEVER fit into the program of the majority of people today

The example you used of sex for social currency... it has limits. Sooner or later you will reach saturation and then start to decline in production and eventually be cast aside for someone better.

What do you do then? Back to more welfare? And what use is social currency if you cannot spend it or trade it or whatever?

Sounds good on paper... works okay in small scale test scenarios... but the logistics of even trying to convert the current system would be a near if not impossible task

But for it to have ANY chance of success you need to provide an interim solution that is acceptable to all... because if you cannot tell people how they will survive during the transition without hardship, your plan will fall on deaf ears

I want to provide drugs; I put an ad out on the web and 10 People contact Me and I give Them drugs.  They use them and report on the web about the quality of what I provided.  If My drugs are good, I earn social status.  If not, I may keep having to put out ads.   (To be fair here, drug dealers are NOT drug dealers because They LOVE to deal drugs; They are drug dealers to make MONEY...)  Who's doing the management?

I want to write religious books; it is My bliss.  I spend all the time I want to, writing.  I may even hunt the web for an editor...  When I think a book is finished, I publish it...  Who's doing the management?

I want to write subversive books...  Hmmmm.  What would One be subverting...?  "Let's go back to most of Us living in poverty with a power "elite" taking the planet over; with millions of Us dying in starvation each year, with a debt-slavery system and being controlled through money!  Here's how!"  Ok, even presuming there is something to subvert, if One wants to write such, One can.  One can even publish it.  But readership - or at least anyOne willing to support the plan after reading...  Those may be hard to come by.  Still...  Who's doing the managing?

Please!  Give Me more things People LOVE to do.  Or anything that needs doing.  I will show You how there is no management at all.

[zorgon]

By saying that there seems to be little point, are you implying that you have not, in fact, really been harmed by what they have done?

But see? You are contradicting your own (Amy's) plan. She says that if you work for free and do good you will earn social currency and 'spotlight'

So yes I have been harmed greatly because those people have stolen my 'spotlight' and in fact there is no mention of me at all... so all my work and ME don't even exist.

So where is my BLISS? To sit and watch others get the 'spotlight' for what should be my joy to share? My bliss in creating the work?

Quite frankly then, if you deny me the justice of seeing that social currency or 'spotlight' which Amy says is all we get, then you are bring a hypocrite and have just given the answer why AP will never work

Yes, but what is never really acknowledged, is the fact that money is really the core of the issue, isn't it? 

No it's not. If it was money (in THIS case we are discussing) I would have gone the way of ATS with ads, tracking etc. What it IS about is my work being recognized as MY work, so that when I leave this world for the next, someone will remember I was here.

Plagiarism on the web robs me of that...  If I cannot expect recognition for my work, then why should I even bother? Would I not be better off just saying; "Screw it all, let the sheep figure it out for themselves, I am going to sit on the beach and watch the sun go down"

You guys are trying to sell your program to us based on being able to do what we want. our BLISS...  but if others take that away from you, then my Bliss would very quickly evolve to Anger. If it continues to not have a solution that returns mt Bliss it will evolve to Hatred and then to Action that will not be good.

In effect... just back to where we are today

In other words, if we were not living in a scarcity based society, you would not need to use a monopoly on your own mental output, in order to generate income, in order to live. So if, at least mentally, we can take ourselves out of that scenario, then we can realise that, if living in such a scenario, it would not be an issue at all.[

That is the BIGGEST flaw with your system... you guys are like a broken record, stuck on that word "Money"

Sure people today need money to survive...  so do I...  My family and critter like to eat... we like to have a roof over our head and yes I can adapt to living in tents better than most of you combined and do it in comfort and style... but is it practical in 110 degree heat when your body can no longer compensate?  No it's not

But money is not all that drives them. In fact on a list of things people will kill for it's not near the top of the list. Robbing them of what you call BLISS will cause a fight much faster than anything else.  Will those three laws protect my Bliss? If so how are they any different than copyright laws today?

And if the system cannot protect my rights to be recognized for my work, then of what use is that system?

Our society does not actually reward the production or creation of abundance by the individual.  It really rewards the regulation of scarcity.  Look at the concept of the "Disney vault," as one example.  Disney take steps to periodically increase the rarity of certain of their films, and by doing so, arbitrarily manipulate public demand for them.

So what? That is Disney's Bliss... do you deny them their Bliss because you want to copy their work for free?

As a further result of this social structure, if you yourself wish to eat, you feel that you have no choice to but to also join the game, and engage in similar behaviour with your own creative work, in order to try to ensure paying demand for it.

Again you are a broken record and not dealing with reality. I have never said I want money for my work. If I did I would not have wasted 6 years being top poster at ATS giving them content that they get rich from, without even a cent in royalty

But during that time they protected my rights and my Bliss

If i need to eat I am perfectly capable of going out into the Nevada Desert and hunt deer, grouse or jack rabbit or dig up a Yucca root and pick some prickey pears. In fact I have a batch of those right now. Can catch some fish in the lake... so don't need money to eat

But if no one gives me credit for my work, then explain to me why I should continue wasting my time? If others can just take it for free and post it as their own... what is the point?

Get money out of your brain for just a moment and think about it logically

If we were living in a society that was not organised in such a blatantly psychopathic manner, then while I could definitely understand anger over a lack of attribution, I myself at least would probably not be angry over the use of my own work, if attribution were given.

Well there you go   you just admitted it yourself

" if attribution were given"

Plagiarism rarely if EVER gives attribution. They just take it and use it and most often profit from it and kick you to the curb. THAT is why it's called PIRACY

I just did a google search today for something I had on my site and figured it would be faster to find that way.  What happened was I found three major websites that had the work on their site  and came up first in google ratings, with NO mention of me or Pegasus as the source... and My site, the point of origin? Didn't even show up in the list.

And in one case from a previous search, one site had the audacity to not only steal the work and pawn it off as their own, but to hotlink to my site for the images, thereby stealing my paid for bandwidth to boot

You may be okay with this action...  but let me tell you one thing. If this is the way your plan works, count me (and millions of others) out

That is vindictive.  I do not consider such justifiable; and more to the point, my own karmic profile does not allow me to get away with such, even at such times as I am tempted to engage in such behaviour.  If you have the luxury of being able to get away with such acts, then consider yourself fortunate; although it is a perverse kind of good fortune; and your attitude here is also in conflict with what you go on to say about doing no harm, in the remainder of the quoted post.

Which is it?  Do you consistently do no harm, or do you curse people in retaliation for behaviour which you consider wrongful, and then consider yourself justified?
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