America's Being Nuked: Can Together We Stop the Madness?

Started by thorfourwinds, September 08, 2012, 07:18:09 PM

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thorfourwinds

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Quote from: Glaucon on December 08, 2014, 07:15:38 PM
I'm a big proponent for Nuclear energy.

Greetings:

Really.

I'm not a proponent for nukes of any form, for over 40 years, boots on the ground.

What is Your take on the triple melt-throughs at Fukushima, 1,368 days ago?

To be fair, please share with us just 5 reasons nuclear energy is preferable over sustainable,
benign alternative power - wind, solar, geothermal, biomass, hydropower...

Might as well cut to the chase    :P

Please share with us Your plan to identify and dispose of the now-present 200,000 (and growing daily) tons of high-level waste, the stuff that was supposed to go to Yucca Mountain and what is being illegally buried at WIPP.    :'(

Here's a great infographic for discussion:

Nuclear vs Renewable Energy Infographic | CleanTechnica

Thank you for your time and consideration.

With great respect,



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Glaucon

Quote from: zorgon on December 08, 2014, 11:56:51 PM
Not really. Coal is cheap and easy to get and puts many miners to work. A simple SCRUBBER on the chimeney and you remove the sulphur smoke and can harvest that sulphur as pure ready to market.

I am totally against it for THREE REASONS

1) There is a limited supply of material on Earth

2) It is being used to BOIL WATER for a glorified steam engine

3) It produces so much toxic waste that is NOT being dealt with on ANY level that generations to come will curse us for



What I support is FUSION research specifically HE# Fusion. All you need for that is cardboard for shielding. 25 tons of HE3 can power the entire US for a year 100 Tons the entire planet. There is enough of that stuff on the moon to power Earth for 10,000 years


For the sake of refuting your argument:
1.) There is a limited supply of all resources including any containing R.A. isotopes.

2.) That's a rather exaggerated characterization of Nuclear power generation. Currently, in the scale we both re using as context, any nuclear generated power requires some thermal expansion driven mechanical apparatus. I don't see how this affects the argument for or against other currently sustainable energy technology. (Yes, I'm aware of a myriad of potentially sustainable alternative energies that utilize resources mined from space. Energies who's byproducts are assets. )

Additionally, nuclear generation often allows spent materials to be processed to recover fissile and fertile materials.

3.)I can tell this point you feel strongly about. I don't agree with you, in fact I completely disagree but I don't want to enter into a semantics assessment.

Since the feds still seem to be following a negative trend line for funding R&D and acknowledging the fact as of right now, there is no alternative source of energy with the capacity to run our grid, what IS your lesser of evils?
"The beginning of wisdom comes with the definition of terms" -Socrates

"..that the people being ignorant, and always discontented, to lay the foundation of government in the unsteady opinion and uncertain humour of the people, is to expose it to certain ruin" -Locke

Glaucon

Quote from: thorfourwinds on December 09, 2014, 12:18:16 AM

Greetings:

Really.

I'm not a proponent for nukes of any form, for over 40 years, boots on the ground.

What is Your take on the triple melt-throughs at Fukushima, 1,368 days ago?

To be fair, please share with us just 5 reasons nuclear energy is preferable over sustainable,
benign alternative power - wind, solar, geothermal, biomass, hydropower...

Might as well cut to the chase    :P

Please share with us Your plan to identify and dispose of the now-present 200,000 (and growing daily) tones of high-level waste, the stuff that was supposed to go to Yucca Mountain and what is being illegally buried at WIPP.    :'(


;D ;D

You guys are so confrontational here.

I'm clearly taking a realist position and using it to dictate what facts and ideas form the domain that I formulate my opinion from.

Would I prefer renewable energy opposed economic Hydro-Carbon's and radioactive isotopes?
OF COURSE

I prefer pondering and basing my logic on the attainability of outcomes coupled to realistic notions of motivation  organizations with the operational capacity and economic interests possess.
"The beginning of wisdom comes with the definition of terms" -Socrates

"..that the people being ignorant, and always discontented, to lay the foundation of government in the unsteady opinion and uncertain humour of the people, is to expose it to certain ruin" -Locke

zorgon

Quote from: Glaucon on December 09, 2014, 12:52:37 AM
You guys are so confrontational here.

Not really... just stating our opinions though Thor does tend to us NEON SIGNS

::)

QuoteI'm clearly taking a realist position and using it to dictate what facts and ideas form the domain that I formulate my opinion from.

How do you know your reality is the correct one?

QuoteWould I prefer renewable energy opposed economic Hydro-Carbon's and radioactive isotopes?

I would hope so :P

But let me ask you this...

Picture THIS scenario...

Canada Northern Ontario and Quebec  riddles with lakes

There is a river in each province that has one hydro electric damn on it,  The Canadian government did an environmetal impact study on the regions and determined that the rivers could handle at least 6 more dams in series without  affecting the environment

In fact it would be a POSITIVE effect creating lakes for fish and wild life and recreation.

So the Government figured that if they built the dams it would create nany jobs in the then job poor region. These dams would produce a HUGH amount of power. Since the same water can power all the damns in the chain there is no loss...

Hydro electric generation is basically FREE ENERGY as you are simply using a water wheel to turn some copper wired in a magnetic field

So the government figured that the energy hungry USA would be a great market for this energy.  So they approached the USA and said IF you guys put in the transmission lines we will sell you really cheap power

Well it never happened The single dam on that river zapps half the power generated into the ground because it has no where to go.

They COULD use that access to make a hydrolisis plant to make Hydrogen but last I checked it is still only exporting power at half capacity

So why waste the nuclear fuel is we don't have to?


thorfourwinds

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NEON OFF

Greetings:

Please do not take earnest attempts to engage in spirited discussion as 'too' confrontational.

WE ARE ALL FRIENDS HERE.    ;D

QuoteI'm clearly taking a realist position and using it to dictate what facts and ideas form the domain that I formulate my opinion from.

Only one domain? WNN? WNA? :P
Please share with what domain that may be, please, so we may become more informed.
I've got a great many to share with you.

OK, one question at a time, if you please.

What is Your take on the triple melt-throughs at Fukushima, 1,368 days ago?

QuoteI prefer pondering and basing my logic on the attainability of outcomes coupled to realistic notions of motivation  organizations with the operational capacity and economic interests possess.

BTW, that is quite a statement!
We'll save it for later.

Thank you.

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Glaucon

Quote from: thorfourwinds on December 09, 2014, 03:18:07 AM
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I think these state sponsored foreign Cyber operations are getting a little out of hand. Especially when the traces left are arranged to implicate guilt on an innocent entity.
I can't know for sure, but I have a fair amount of information which shows it was a PLC attack similar to a worm-like AI (Think stuxnet but a process that employs kinetic damage as an autonomous system process). 

It's terrible, but I believe it to be true.
"The beginning of wisdom comes with the definition of terms" -Socrates

"..that the people being ignorant, and always discontented, to lay the foundation of government in the unsteady opinion and uncertain humour of the people, is to expose it to certain ruin" -Locke

zorgon

Ummm Fukushima was the melt down of three nuclear reactors...

...how is that connected to cyber operations?

Ex Prime Minister Kato confirmed that all there were in meltdown 8 hours after the Tsunami hit

thorfourwinds

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thorfourwinds

Quote from: Glaucon on December 09, 2014, 04:10:09 AM
I can't know for sure, but I have a fair amount of information which shows it was a PLC attack similar to a worm-like AI (Think stuxnet but a process that employs kinetic damage as an autonomous system process). 

Greetings:

In your due diligence, you will find that I actually spoke to the Marketing Director of that Israeli security company.

You are on the right track.

Come on back with that site you get your info from, please.
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It appears that someone is listening:


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Sunday, January 27, 2013
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Do Citizens of Earth Have the Right to a Radiation-free Environment?
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FukuGate - We've Been Conned
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Wasting Away - The Nukes in Your Backyard
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Fukushima, Pandora's Box and the Nuclear Demon
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"I Have Become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds"
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San Onofre - America's Fukushima?
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Posted by Stock at 3:07 PM
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His fight to protect the workers and the community cost him his job when he raised health and safety concerns and he along with another nuclear control technician Forrest Williams were retaliated against and illegally terminated.

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?He also discusses the case of PG&E Diablo Canyon nuclear plant whistleblower Niel Aiken. Aiken went to PG&E's Board of Directors with his concerns over safety and was also targeted and fired.

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