weather upsets

[Littleenki]

Here in the Tampa Bay area we get dry lightning all the time..but it always comes with thunderstorms within twenty miles or so.

My grandparents, in the 70's, while inside watching tv, had a orb of ball lightning roll through their front door, cross the room burning the terrazzo floor, and shooting out through the back sliding glass door and out over the seawall behind their home. There was no storm anywhere withing a hundred miles. It left black scarring and the doors both had to be replaced.

I have had it hit the water within 100 yards of me in my canoe, and it knocked me and my friend out for several minutes. In that case a strom was about ten miles away.

I have heard of people experiencing it in the forest nearby, where it just crashed down during a sunny day, so it could be quite possible it is a static discharge not caused by rain or cloud energy differentials.

From a video I watched the other day, the surface of Mars and other places around our own world has been subject to lightning sculpting...rows of holes from electrical discharge, lichtenburg figures, and so on.

Heres a cool video about how electrical discharges can effect landscapes.

Is it possible we are someday in for this sort of experience here on Earth?

Again?

Shocking, eh?

[sky otter]

 

might be time to see how far inland you are..


Arctic Ice Melt, Sea Level Rise May Pose Imminent Threat To Island Nations,
Climate Scientist Says
The Huffington Post  |  By James Gerken Posted: 10/05/2012 4:39 pm EDT

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In the wake of last month's discovery that the extent of Arctic sea ice coverage hit a record low this year, climate scientist Michael Mann told the Guardian that "Island nations that have considered the possibility of evacuation at some point, like Tuvalu, may have to be contending those sort of decisions within the matter of a decade or so."

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"The models have typically predicted that will not happen for decades but the measurements that are coming in tell us it is already happening so once again we are decades ahead of schedule," Mann told the Guardian.

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Despite the increasingly clear picture painted by scientific observations and climate modeling, "There's a huge gap between what is understood by the scientific community and what is known by the public," according to NASA scientist James Hansen. Recent polling suggests that as much as 35 percent of the U.S. population and 37 percent of the British public remain unconvinced of the scientific reality of climate change.

entire article here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/arctic-ice-melt-sea-level-rise_n_1942666.html

[deuem]

This Sea Ice melt, meaning higher sea levels is in my question book.  If I take a glass of water with lots of ice cubes and fill it to the top and wait for it to melt the glass never over flows. Ice has the same volume as water except it floats. Why does this not happen the same, with Artic Ice. So far I have seen no sea levels rising here. If the water gets locked up on land in an ice format then gets put to sea, OK that I can see. Then we are adding more water. But changing ice in the ocean to water should do nothing except add fresh cold water.

Anyone?   Deuem

[Littleenki]

Hey, Dueum, the difference is that some of the ice is on top of land and the ice melting allows the land to rise, which in turn displaces more ocean and causes a rise in sea levels. Ice cubes in a glass equalize because there is nothing being held down by the ice.

Hope that helps a bit!:-):-):-)

Cheers!
Le

[deuem]

Yea Littleeki, that is the same thing I wrote. If on land it is a problem but at sea no. The artic is an ocean, no? The north pole, Santas house was just a huge floating ice berg. So it should have zero effect on the oceans level.  Now if you take Greenland, that is another story. The Ice there is or was miles deep. I have seen that it is melting also.

Still I am not sure what would really happen even if it did. The oceans are so large that it might only add a mm or two.  I have also heard that every day of the year Ice is entering the Earths atmospher from space. many metric tons of it daily. This should also add to the water levels but I have not seen that either.

I think the Earth is just getting larger. Kind of like a lot of us. The more it eats, the bigger it gets. If you add up all the dust, stones and water that hit us every day and times it by how many million years, it should have changed the planets waste line. The oceans weight has to be pushing down on the crust and in exchange pushing up or out on the land masses. I think opposites will find a way to balance out in the long run.....    Deuem

[Littleenki]

Exactly, Dueum, the cycle of creation and subsequent decay!

Le

[thorfourwinds]

Yea Littleeki, that is the same thing I wrote. If on land it is a problem but at sea no. The artic is an ocean, no? The north pole, Santas house was just a huge floating ice berg. So it should have zero effect on the oceans level.  Now if you take Greenland, that is another story. The Ice there is or was miles deep. I have seen that it is melting also.

Still I am not sure what would really happen even if it did. The oceans are so large that it might only add a mm or two.  I have also heard that every day of the year Ice is entering the Earths atmospher from space. many metric tons of it daily. This should also add to the water levels but I have not seen that either.

I think the Earth is just getting larger.

Kind of like a lot of us. The more it eats, the bigger it gets. If you add up all the dust, stones and water that hit us every day and times it by how many million years, it should have changed the planets waste line. The oceans weight has to be pushing down on the crust and in exchange pushing up or out on the land masses. I think opposites will find a way to balance out in the long run.....    Deuem

Greetings friend Deuem:

I think the Earth is just getting larger.

This is what our Pacific Northwest boat-builder friend clif high has to say about that:

Cathy took some pictures of the umiak, Q'oqi-oqi while clif was doing the last of the rigging for the sail.

Expando Planet Model


The Expando Planet model is a sub set of the Expando Universe model of reality to which we will return in a bit. We start with Einstein and the much discussed, debated, and hated, E=MC2 equation.

In Einstein, and Newtonian understanding of physics, energy transforms into matter and vice versa, so if you twist on uranium in just the right way with energy, it will transform a bunch of its own matter into energy very rapidly and thus we have nuclear plants and bombs based on this principle of 'exciting' the matter of uranium (and other radioactive elements) to convert to energy.


Well...in this universe, equations work both ways, so theoretically we could take a bunch of energy and 'condense' it into matter (assuming we knew how). This matter could be as dense as version as we desired given that we are condensing it out of energy.

So we would initially get simple molecules such as hydrogen and helium, but if we persisted, we could continue to coagulate the energy into denser molecules like oil, or iron, or gold.

And thus is explained how the whole alchemy transmutation thing works.

By condensation.

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Peace Love Light

tfw   

Liberty & Equality or Revolution

[zorgon]

Yea Littleeki, that is the same thing I wrote. If on land it is a problem but at sea no. The acrtic is an ocean, no?

Correct ice, the crystaline form of water expands when it freezes... so when it melts the volume is less

However the land ice in Antarctica, Greenland and the Himalayan mountains is also melting.  The weight taken off the land IMO won;t raise it by much

The north pole, Santas house was just a huge floating ice berg. So it should have zero effect on the oceans level.  Now if you take Greenland, that is another story. The Ice there is or was miles deep. I have seen that it is melting also.

Santa does not live at the North Pole. They sent a sub there and there was no Santa.  Santa lives in North Pole Alaska and I can prove it (an that he is real( with several government agencies help

It's a little early but here is that proof
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/02files/Proof_that_Santa_Claus_is_Real.html

I think the Earth is just getting larger. Kind of like a lot of us. The more it eats, the bigger it gets.

Forget everything they told you...

Where did all that water from Noah's flood go to?

[Shasta56]

Santa lives at the North Pole near Colorado Springs.  NORAD is located under Cheyenne Mountain near Colirado Springs.  NORAS tracks Santa's progress every year.  I've also heard sleigh bells over my house on Dec. 24.  He checks in at Buckley AFB after he leaves North Pole.  You guys just don't know what you're talking about.

Shasta

[zorgon]

You guys just don't know what you're talking about.

Well if you read that link you will see that NORAD agrees with me  Its all there documentsed from Norad, Pentagon and NGA (Space Spooks)

[Pimander]

Santa comes from Lapland NOT the North pole.  You guys don't know WTF you are talking about.



Is it just me, or does the whole Santa thing not coma across as a bit sinister, or even paedophilic?

[deuem]

Hi Zorgon, thanks for that expanding Earth video. I saw it a while back and it does make one think.  After thinking, I would go back to tectonics for sure but I would still have to add in some expansion caused from space ice and junk hitting us daily. If there is indeed tons of ice, dust and rocks entering our atmosphere every day. this has to have some effect over millions of years.

Unless the equivalent gets blown away by the solar winds.

By the way, the last time I saw Santa, he was kissing mommy.

Deuem

[Shasta56]

Zorgon, we all know that you pay NORAD off to get them to say whatever you want them to say.  Ppppbbbttttt.

Weathe was cold and snowy here the past two days.  Warming back up today.

Isolated flodding in south Aurora Friday night.  Hubby's replacing a toilet for my daughter today.  That should alleviate the flooding.

Shasta

[sky otter]

ok..i'm reading this and going what?..huh?
frozen methane under the sea floor..destabilized...how?
and then got to here..

It is not clear if that is happening yet,

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh another theory set forth to distube the already scared, i got it now

who the heck does these studies anyhow....guess somebody's cousin needed a job...
sigh

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/24/14670511-climate-changing-methane-rapidly-destabilizing-off-east-coast-study-finds?lite&ocid=msnhp

Climate-changing methane 'rapidly destabilizing' off East Coast, study finds

A changing Gulf Stream off the East Coast has destabilized frozen methane deposits trapped under nearly 4,000 square miles of seafloor, scientists reported Wednesday. And since methane is even more potent than carbon dioxide as a global warming gas, the researchers said, any large-scale release could have significant climate impacts.

Temperature changes in the Gulf Stream are "rapidly destabilizing methane hydrate along a broad swathe of the North American margin," the experts said in a study published Wednesday in the peer-reviewed journal Nature.

Using seismic records and ocean models, the team estimated that 2.5 gigatonnes of frozen methane hydrate are being destabilized and could separate into methane gas and water.

It is not clear if that is happening yet, but that methane gas would have the potential to rise up through the ocean and into the atmosphere, where it would add to the greenhouse gases warming Earth.

The 2.5 gigatonnes isn't enough to trigger a sudden climate shift, but the team worries that other areas around the globe might be seeing a similar destabilization.

"It is unlikely that the western North Atlantic margin is the only area experiencing changing ocean currents," they noted. "Our estimate ... may therefore represent only a fraction of the methane hydrate currently destabilizing globally."

The wider destabilization evidence, co-author Ben Phrampus told NBC News, includes data from the Arctic and Alaska's northern slope in the Beaufort Sea.

And it's not just under the seafloor that methane has been locked up. Some Arctic land area are seeing permafrost thaw, which could release methane stored there as well.

An expert who was not part of the study said it suggests that methane could become a bigger climate factor than carbon dioxide.

"We may approach a turning point" from a warming driven by man-made carbon dioxide to a warming driven by methane, Jurgen Mienert, the geology department chair at Norway's University of Tromso, told NBC News.

"The interactions between the warming Arctic Ocean and the potentially huge methane-ice reservoirs beneath the Arctic Ocean floor point towards increasing instability," he added.

He also noted, however, that "one of the big unknowns is the magnitude of rapid methane escape from the ocean floor, and how natural filter systems react and affect the future ocean, its environment and the climate."

Relate: Thawing Arctic permafrost is releasing methane

Another unknown is what caused the Gulf Stream changes, said Phrampus, an earth sciences PhD candidate at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas.

"Multiple events can play a factor, such as changing sea level or an addition of cold/fresh water from the north," Phrampus said, adding he was hopeful that the changes might be "reversible under their own influence."

But, he added, "we need more data to resolve this, and we are currently investigating this process."

more weather stuff at link
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/24/14670511-climate-changing-methane-rapidly-destabilizing-off-east-coast-study-finds?lite&ocid=msnhp

[robomont]

i saw that greenland ice sheet melting video.
creeped me out.

as far as where did the water go?
google wiki worlds deepest well.

methane quite possibly be the next switch thrown on this slow motion train wreck.
from the things ive read,methane is everywhere.

imagine whole seas on fire,ships sinking ,planes falling from the sky and whole cities of people dropping like flies.
not a pretty sight.
skies darkening from all the co and ash.sulphuric rain as the high sulphur methane leaches into the air.then comes winter.now the methane creeps across the ground like a ghost searching for a spark,then turning into bombs that can level brick buildings.google new london school explosion.
a very grimm future is possible.