are the mibs on here?

[robomont]

and then t brown went back in time and added eg craft to paintings thousands of years ago.aliens made eg,were just copying it.

[zorgon]

Ya aint seen nuttin' yet

Ummm that being my point

[Littleenki]

We can pontificate all we want about Eg and such, but Zorgon is right...we dont have years to work slowly towards a possibly non existent technology. Ive worked with some of the Eg effects recently, and have to say..the power required to incite a response is immense compared to the result.

Although it may work someday, for now EG is a last resort for any form of free energy or hopeful replacement for power company sponsored a/c.

Also...why do we see so many signs of sun worship throughout history? Is it because of some religious aspect, I dont think so fully, as it is where the life and free energy we need comes from.

Even if one adds a 5000 watt setup to their house, it will save half the power bill and also be able to give a relief to the a/c which we rely on for everything.

And, everyone harps on batteries, but a good battery bank is good for at least 4 years, and when they fail, they dont go all at once, so the financial hit isnt as great as a failed device which goes at one fell swoop.

After the last few years of reading studying, and yes, researching power sources with the most bang for the buck..I cant even think of anything better than sunlight.

Now, if we are to use this sunlight, and when it gets dark, we'll need  storage system of sorts..wouldnt it be prudent to use current technology in panels for now, and concentrate on storage and capacitive units which can carry the load for the night, or at least supplement the line power?

Flywheels in a vacuum chamber, slowly releasing enough power to keep the current flowing, molten salt reservoirs which hold heat for hours after being shut off.

Right now, we dont need totally free energy, just something to prop up the sorry state of power affairs, resulting in a much lower power bill. I dont care if Im selling power back to the man, as long as I dont need to buy nearly as much from him.

Zorgon, Ive seen the flexible solar panels and have actually befriended a panel maker from Switzerland who tells me anyone can assemble them in their garage in a few days enough to cover the entire roof of a typical family home.

10,000 watts easy, and if you can solder, and put together a good inverter system like Robomont spoke of..right at the panel...low losses and high gains will be the reward.

All it takes is some money and some time...well, Ive got lots of time..anyone got some money?

Mine is on solar for now, with an eye to the future.

[robomont]

the place i saw the converter was in texas coop power magazine.probly less than a year back,solar power edition maybe.

[Amaterasu]

All I have on EG is what My father told Me of His work on it over 50 years ago - and He promised Me flying cars, floating cities, and all the energy We could use.

I KNOW it's not "non-existant!"

[Littleenki]

All I have on EG is what My father told Me of His work on it over 50 years ago - and He promised Me flying cars, floating cities, and all the energy We could use.

I KNOW it's not "non-existant!"

Well, maybe not non existenet, but for all practical purposes nd intents..esentially it is.

Ive seen results, but miniscule for the 30kv it requires.

Perhaps I shouldve said the progress has been non existent?

At least on my bench..no tales of magic like Mikado trumpeted recently..I havent seen anything but a swinging gravitor and a floating lifter....dangit when will we break the ice?

Perhaps someday soon we will make a breakthrough that will hurdle it into the forefront, but for now, solar is all we got for an everyman form of power against the Man.

Or my sail powered car....its really slow though..

Le

[Littleenki]

That last image is for the MIB's in here...it really has a mizzenmast too and is much faster than I admitted...

Le

[Amaterasu]

Well, maybe not non existenet, but for all practical purposes nd intents..esentially it is.

Ive seen results, but miniscule for the 30kv it requires.

Perhaps I shouldve said the progress has been non existent?

Outside of black projects, where the 30,000 K dielectrics are impossible to get, yes.  But I am betting They have more from it than any of Us can get with Our 6,000ish K max...

[Pimander]

All I have on EG is what My father told Me of His work on it over 50 years ago - and He promised Me flying cars, floating cities, and all the energy We could use.

This may happen.  But if the technology is too powerful and dangerous we will not be allowed to use it for many years.  In the interim, we need solutions.

[zorgon]

Outside of black projects, where the 30,000 K dielectrics are impossible to get, yes.  But I am betting They have more from it than any of Us can get with Our 6,000ish K max...

30,000K?  That piddly little amount? Really? Well let me educate you a little on what they are REALLY playing with.. and you can deny it all you want but these examples are real. I have seen one in operation myself

Just look at the power comparisons below and then tell me again how wrong I ma about them pursuing plasma and NOT interested in low voltage Electrogravitics

How about a GIGAWATT?

That's 1,000.000.000 or 1,000.000 K

18.3 GW – current electrical power generation of the Three Gorges Dam, the world's largest hydroelectric power plant of any type.

But that is nothing yet....

How about a TERAWATT for plasma research?

That is 1,000,000,000,000   or 1,000,000,000

Let me show you how much power that is...

2 Terawatt – approximate power generated between the surfaces of Jupiter and its moon Io due to Jupiter's tremendous magnetic field

16 Terawatt – average total power consumption of the human world in 2010

The Shiva Nova laser put out 30 Terawatts to create fusion in the early stages. This was in 1977-79

44 Terawatt –  average total heat flux from Earth's interior

290 Terawatt – the power the Z machine reaches in 1 billionth of a second when it is fired


Z machine at Sandia Labs - Fusion department

300 Terawatt –  power reached by the extremely high-power Hercules laser from the University of Michigan.

But wait... not done yet...

How about a PETAWATT?

That is 1,000,000,000,000,000 or 1,000,000,000,000 K

1.25 Petawatt – world's most powerful laser pulses (claimed on May 23, 1996 by Lawrence Livermore Laboratory Shiva Nova laser)

10–100 Petawatt – estimated total power output of a Type-I civilization on the Kardashev scale.

174.0 Petawatt – total power received by Earth from the Sun

200 Petawatt – Extreme Light Infrastructure laser

NOW do you begin to see the big picture? Its all PLASMA and FUSION research...

Think about it   a single laser that has  26 Petawatts more energy than the Earth receives from the Sun...

These are proven and verifiable power figures. And this is just the stuff that is already in the public domain. I haven't even covered the NAVY Selene Laser at China Lake that can beam power to a base on the moon...

Wake up and smell the ozone.... they are working on Fusion/ Plasma as the energy of the future, not EG

[biggles]

Of course their working on plasma/fusion; without a doubt and I go by gut instinct more than anything.

And I can see they have been and are still working on that time travel thing too, dangerous that is yoda says.

[andolin]

It looks like TPTB are allowing open field development of Solar Energy. Solar collectors have become more efficient and cost effective applications in micro and nano tech have opened the field for application design. The Solar printer blew my mind...and appears to be relatively cheap. Hopefully in a few years we can pick one up at home depot for a few hundred bucks and roll our own home systems..Solar Film, Roofing Panels and even Paint are either here or on their way.I already mentioned the independent marketing of home based 5k and up electrvoltaic inverters. The big drawback seems to be a cost effective storage system. Dedicated deep cell batteries are out there, but still expensive, and they need to be cycled out every 3-4 years. People are already working on solutions. This links to a PDF file on Ultracapacitator development for use in Solar applications.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CEIQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.solrayo.com%2FSolRayo%2FPresentations_files%2FUltracapacitors_for_Renewable_Energy_Storage_Webinar.pdf&ei=H5tlULvvA5GQ0QGnloE4&usg=AFQjCNGvKoQW7O3lSvV6fVWCeXB-lu36Pw&sig2=5vOItdk5lybSFLe1h4zLNg

And this one for a similar application in Hybrid Automobile Solar systems.

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=5944438&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D5944438

I don't think we are very far away from Home Solar kits that produce 5K watts with limited battery and maintenence issues for a reasonable cost to the average homeowner. particularly with the current Tax and Energy rebate incentives. I'm pretty sure we need to grab those as soon as possible because Big Brother never saw an opportunity to Tax that it didn't love, and It's coming soon.

[robomont]

i dont get why we are calling eg an energy source?
science is always chasing bigger and smaller.
they also skip over big sections of knowledge along the way.
there may be a frequency or voltage that has to be managed at a value down to five decimal points.we wont know unless we try.

[Pimander]

i dont get why we are calling eg an energy source?

I tried to point this out to 7RedOrbs but everybody seems to think I'm some kind of moron.  Apparently impenetrable walls of text are more intelligent that direct questions and answers.

[Amaterasu]

This may happen.  But if the technology is too powerful and dangerous we will not be allowed to use it for many years.  In the interim, we need solutions.

I contend the only "danger" is in the economic arena and targeting specifically the power elite.  As I have pointed out, 100% of the cost of EVERYTHING is energy, Human or external.  Add free energy and the control over Others that the money used to account for it affords dissipates.

They don't lose materially - just in Their control over Us.