are the mibs on here?

[petrus4]

Im guessing Bob and Stan are together right now...wishing our world would come to its senses!

HHO...can anyone make it happen without getting murdered?

Le

The only way we're going to do it, is literally household by household.  We need to form small groups of individuals who we know are trustworthy, and then if one individual implements it themselves, they then implement it for everyone else in that group.

We need to abandon the conventional idea of getting a patent and taking it to market, and the inventor becoming rich.  That is not how this will happen.  This is a technology which transcends Capitalism, and it cannot be implemented successfully, within a Capitalist framework.

[TheJanitor]

... then if...

Operative phrase

We need to abandon the conventional idea of getting a patent and taking it to market, and the inventor becoming rich.

Agreed. Not THAT technology. In the interim, how about sandpaper sandals? Help build calluses for going barefoot, shed dead skin, wash them off and they are good to go. Market: 7.5 +/- 2.5 billion people, renewable.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

I agree with Petrus4

Time to write a shopping list for the parts
I need some glass vessels anyway, for that 'fusor' project, the gravitor, and now one for HHO testing, and some 316L stainless pipe, some transistors...
This is going to be fun!

[TheJanitor]

Here is an example of a bad invention. I am choosing shoes because almost everyone wears them and they fit the profit categories.

http://www.toningshoesinjury.com/


It is important to keep in mind during the course of designing better widgets, safety, ease of maintenance, and durability...

I design and build fish tanks. I have one running in the home of a wealthy client, right in the sitting room. If there is an accident, it could cost me hundreds of thousands. I had to make it accident free, as much as possible, and easy to maintain. If these items are not taken into account, it could waste hundreds of man hours. This is true for all inventions.

When I designed a "flying saucer" a few years back, I took into account power loss. I designed it to glide into a landing, and be manually steerable. This is the kind of engineering quality which must be included in a good invention. Most inventions will be improvements over old ones, where these items were not taken into account.

My H2O2 injector will not blow up. I have seen the twisted remains of manifold intakes and venturi valves by HHO systems because the design did not cover all contingencies. At least my version runs on a vacuum, and thus prevents blowback.

That joke about a better toilet seat which has been toyed with in the forum is actually right on. There can be a sensor for anything and everything. If anyone gets hard up for ideas, go out and talk to people. They are already good consumers, and will be ready to bitch about the slightest details.

This is a massive untapped field. No one is doing it. Maybe the Japanese, Brits, and French are doing the most, in the states its a few individuals.

What about chair mats? Nowadays they come from China and fall apart after a month. I have some of the old ones, even outside they hold together year after year. How about a chair mat that doesn't collect dirt underneath, doesn't leave indentations in the floor, and doesn't fall apart after six months?

Any of these could net us millions. So there you have it.

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

I tried this with my brother in 1982.
We had an idea for a parking gadget, using 4 ultrasonic sensors, and a simple display & some bleeps, which got faster as you got nearer to the object.
You may have heard of such a thing?

That idea was stolen from us & sold to GM

Since then i have kept such things to myself, but if you all want to go ahead & market something, i will be happy to help.
It would be nice if we could market something from 'Pegasus Research Consortium' with all profits going back to it, to fund more projects.

That way we would be in the unique position to fund our research without being answerable to 'sponsors' or vested interests.....cool!

[Pimander]

I need some glass vessels anyway, for that 'fusor' project, the gravitor, and now one for HHO testing, and some 316L stainless pipe, some transistors...
This is going to be fun!

Have you tried united nuclear for glassware?  You never know, Bob might give us a discount.

[Pimander]

Any of these could net us millions. So there you have it.

It would be nice if we could market something from 'Pegasus Research Consortium' with all profits going back to it, to fund more projects.

guys, I think Petrus means that within a capitalist framework the "free energy" technology is not workable.  I completely agree with him.  I for one do not wish to have my head blown off.  It needs to be underground.

On the other hand, other new technologies are game as a means to generate cash legitimately/legally.

That way we would be in the unique position to fund our research without being answerable to 'sponsors' or vested interests.....cool!

Precisely.

[robomont]

any feedback on a magnetic wheel as an energy source?

[zorgon]

On the other hand, other new technologies are game as a means to generate cash legitimately/legally.

So okay... why don't we get together a system to make cheap solar panels that you can do it at home that will save up to 120% of your power bill?

Easy to install, easy to make with basic skills and has the potential to run your meter in reverse so you get a check back from the power company?

Anyone?

[A51Watcher]

There is a new printer out that prints small solar panels, much the same as are being assembled in cheap labor markets right now.

You just fed them silicone wafers and they go to work breaking them up and then print the panels.


They are pretty small but all you have to do is wire them in series.

[zorgon]

Now I mention that because I have already bought TWO courses on doing just that... but haven't had the time to study them yet.

Since we have an energy team here, I can put a section in private and share the info... with the intent that you techies use that info to make working models.

My power bill in the summer is in the $450.00 a month range... I set it now for equal billing but that comes to $325.00 a month. With the extended heat wave this year its literally killing me

Now If I can put these solar panels in and cut that even 50% it would be a blessing

No one is bumping people off for solar energy...

Solar energy is TRUE FREE ENERGY once the collectors are built. Over unity? No of course not, but it doesn't cost us anything and the Sun has been powering the planet... well forever

So once the initial cost of these collectors and converter is covered... FREE ENERGY and if done right a paycheck monthly from the power company.

Seems to me that this is both doable, and can create a business. It will help many people that live in houses with high power bills and relieve stress. The power companies won't bother us because they sell the power to commercial uses at a higher rate and here in Nevada there is actually a LAW that requires Nevada Power to pay you for excess that you feed back to the system

Now I don't have the time to set up a shop to experiment. That is why we have the group. 

I paid approximately $50.00 each for these two do-it-yourself courses so right there is a way to make money by making our own version of an instruction course (with no plagiarism)

But if we can put together a kit, get a lawyer to make sure all is above board and meets regulations, we can solve our own power needs first and thus have real testimonials that it works

Our group already has admin in Australia, Brazil and the UK... this can easily be made global and actually provide some jobs  or at least supplement income

We would need a business staff... we can eventually make a deal with local contractors to install it for those not mechanically inclined

But the potential is here...

I propose we set up a private room... and those interested will need to sign a contract... but from glancing over the material this looks easy to do. I just need some of you experimental techies to vet it and make a prototype


Exotic Free Energy may be great, but in the INTERIM why not get off the grid with solar?

For the cold months I installed a wood burning stove... so my gas bill will only cover the hat water. Once the solar is installed I can switch hot water and heat to electric too

So think about it and lets get busy reaping the Sun's energy.

The Military does it Even Nevada put in a solar collector and are selling that to us here

OH and I also have plans for a small unobtrusive wind turbine you can make at home

[zorgon]

We need to abandon the conventional idea of getting a patent and taking it to market, and the inventor becoming rich.  That is not how this will happen.  This is a technology which transcends Capitalism, and it cannot be implemented successfully, within a Capitalist framework.

Well it won't work to well in a Communist  framework either. And I am to old to wait for a new framework.

So in the INTERIM, providing cheap devices to use the free energy provided by the sun household by household will begin to achieve the same goal... cheaper energy for the people (its actually free for LIFE after the initial install and a small maintenance consideration)

Don't need patents... those are already done. The technology is already 'open source' ANYONE can make solar collectors legally with just basic skills. If you can't make them, you can buy the parts cheap and have the kid across the street put them together

Getting rich? Why the hell not?  I would love to be able to go see a doctor and fix my ailments. I would love to travel the world while there is still something to see...

And its a lot easier to sell YOUR plan if you have money to fund presentations

As long as we live within the system, we can use the tools of that system to make a difference. If you cannot see that as a positive step, then YOU are part of the problem, not the solution

[petrus4]

Getting rich? Why the hell not?  I would love to be able to go see a doctor and fix my ailments. I would love to travel the world while there is still something to see...

The problem with wanting to get rich from an alternative energy device, is that becoming wealthy requires drawing attention to yourself; which in the context that we are talking about, is also likely to get you killed.  I am not advocating avoiding making money from a device that you've invented because I am inherently anti-money; but trying to go through the usual market process, means that by necessity you put yourself on the radar of certain people.  Said people have demonstrated abundant willingness to murder inventors in this area before.

That is why, if it is going to be deployed on a wide scale at all, guerilla tactics are necessary.  This in turn means that the involvement of money needs to be kept to a minimum; because unless we're talking about pure cash, money is also traceable.

[petrus4]

guys, I think Petrus means that within a capitalist framework the "free energy" technology is not workable.  I completely agree with him.  I for one do not wish to have my head blown off.  It needs to be underground.

That is exactly what I mean.

The central problem with money, is that involving yourself with it, immediately puts you in the sandbox of a particular group of people; most of whom are completely and irredeemably corrupt.  This is no different from any other activity; if you get involved in archery, for instance, you're likely to end up associating with people from the archery scene.  Making money has as much of a subculture associated with it as any other hobby out there, and as a free energy inventor, if you associate with that subculture, they are going to want to kill you, because they will see you as a threat.

[zorgon]

and as a free energy inventor, if you associate with that subculture, they are going to want to kill you, because they will see you as a threat.

The reason for that is simple. The kind of 'free energy' that you are referring to has a problem...

Unlike solar power and burning wood for free heat....  it can be EASILY converted to weapons use.

If everyone has access to that unlimited (say EG or Zero point) energy, then ANYONE can make a powerful weapon like TESLA did with his resonance and death ray


THAT is why they will take you out... not because of MONEY

They won't bother you with solar energy, because you cannot 9easily) turn that into a weapon to use against them

And trust me, human nature being what it is, there will be a small percentage (which translates into MILLIONS (like Muslim extremists for one example) that will have no qualms and no hesitation to turn free energy into a weapon

This is the main reason why you will NEVER see this technology freely released