Libya attack: Obama vows justice for killed US envoy

[undo11]

It would be interesting to see a number put to the amount of human deaths resulted from wars evoked on behalf of religious beliefs...

it would pale in comparison to the death toll as a result of atheistic leaders, mostly due the vast numbers of people on the planet in modern times vs. how many existed during times when the melding of  religion and government were common place  currently, the atheists win hands down for the biggest death tolls in human history, just by virtue of the large populations of people on the planet available to slaughter in the name of their belief in non-beliefs. 

not saying that absolves the prior atrocities, just not willing to sit here and pretend the last 100 years never happened, in favor of stuff that happened 1000 years ago.

[Littleenki]

Indeed Ellirium...Im not sure we are to that level of numerics yet though.. ..

Le

[undo11]

Indeed Ellirium...Im not sure we are to that level of numerics yet though.. ..

Le

mao's revolution? 

[Littleenki]

Undo youre somewhat right there...atheists have killed many..but it is true the religious murders are more noticeable due to the pomp and circumstance shown by religion.
Nevertheless..both are downright wrong.

Defining god is the problem...if they keep wrongly defining our origins and creator it just perpetuates and builds upon the already mile thick layer of mythology all religions are based on.

Hubris and forced doctrine..religious or not...is the core problem..pure evil in the context of truth.

Le

[Littleenki]

mao's revolution?

Yeah Beth..thats close...sad sad tale there..mao was a freakin lunatic!

Le

[undo11]

Yeah Beth..thats close...sad sad tale there..mao was a freakin lunatic!

Le

joseph stalin?
listen to the first sentence in this video

[undo11]

pol pot?

[Littleenki]

Boy what a sick history mankind has in the east..and I thought Hitler was bad!

Stalin..good grief..what a dick!

Le

[undo11]

Boy what a sick history mankind has in the east..and I thought Hitler was bad!

Stalin..good grief..what a dick!

Le

yeah, i think it's safe now to say, that neither religion nor the lack thereof, is the driving force behind this kind of mindset, but rather human nature, otherwise, it wouldn't all sound like the same movie, on endless re-runs with the same end game. 

[undo11]

250,000,000 (That's two hundred and fifty million) people, died in the last century, directly due to the rise of communism and atheism.   

i wager the figure is much higher, because back then, not every person alive or dead, was documented.  it's probably closer to twice as much.  in a 100 year span of time, more than a quarter of a billion people died as a direct result of the rise in atheism and communism.  (and we haven't even touched on what hitler did yet).   because without a moral, spiritual or humanitarian reason to spare each other's lives, we devolve into animals.  and if animals are all we are, nobody is safe from extermination.

organized religion is guilty of this as well, but only so far as their moral fiber or followers, tolerated.   in the case of people like stalin, moral fiber was passe', old school, irrelevant.   so i'm thinking having a reason to not kill is better than having no reason not to kill.   globally speaking, that is.

[undo11]

if you need to vent some steam, go do some karate,  spar with a sensei, play tackle football, play a video game,  play some d&d, swim a marathon, jog a few miles, challenge your buddy to an arm wrestling match, something, but let's leave out the whole idea of sanctioned or unsanctioned murder/killing of people, particularly based on something like world view.  i don't want my atheist, jewish, islamic, buddhist, hindu, etc,  friends to be killed and as a result, i don't relish the idea of them wanting me to be killed either.   

it's one thing to disagree with someone, and quite another to want to control the space between their ears, or else.   homey don't play that game.  so sorry charlie.

[undo11]

wait, there's more:
go deep sea diving, play a board game, yeah that's the ticket. if you dream of global domination, rather than trying to really do so, play a rousing game of risk (the board game).  in the immortal words of joshua (the computer in war games),

"how about a nice game of chess?"
(bring your own celery)

[zorgon]

i would say you are not the text book definition of an atheist.  clearly you appreciate your spiritual side.  a true atheist just thinks we are evolved bits of animal flesh and that the divine, spiritual, super or hyper natural, do not exist, no matter how you define it.

Well perhaps we do need to define it Wouldn't want to just group all atheists into the same mold now would we?

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.

One can believe in reincarnation for example and be an atheist, because a belief in reincarnation does NOT require a belief in a God

Atheism is accepted within some religious and spiritual belief systems, including Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Neopagan movements such as Wicca, and nontheistic religions. Jainism and some forms of Buddhism do not advocate belief in gods, whereas Hinduism holds atheism to be valid, but some schools view the path of an atheist to be difficult to follow in matters of spirituality.

Since SCIENCE tells us that energy cannot be destroyed, it is quite possible to believe something of our life force survives death without resorting to a God

Very dangerous to just group them all into one mold  and it is also wrong to assume that an atheist does not have spirituality. They just don't believe that a god or gods is responsible

[undo11]

Well perhaps we do need to define it Wouldn't want to just group all atheists into the same mold now would we?

notice i was making a distinction in the case of atheists who believe they have a spiritual side.  the point i was making was that trying to deprive people of their connection to the spiritual side of life, no matter how you define that spiritual side, is not going to end up good, because without our connection to our higher selves, spiritual nature, god within or without, etc, we devolve, not evolve.

[zorgon]

Yeah and sadly Devolution is in full swing these days, both at the spiritual level and the intellectual level

Hallowed are the Ori, for they currently have the upper hand