The Great KAGUYA - Discussion Thread

[zorgon]

KAGUYA SELENE

Japan's Moon Tale

"The moon is essentially grey," he said. "No colour. Looks like plaster of Paris. Sort of a greyish beach sand." - James Lovell, Astronaut



For comparison...

Earthrise from Apollo 8

[ArMaP]

In the Anime World Princess Kaguya is a Demon, a Fallen Angel

But the Anime is not the "original" Kaguya, that "title" goes to "Kaguya hime" (princess Kaguya), from "The Bamboo-cutter's Daughter", a tale about a baby girl that is found inside a glowing bamboo and that was a Moon princess.

You can read the story here.

[zorgon]

But the Anime is not the "original" Kaguya,

Irrelevant to my topic

[Amaterasu]

I was intrigued by:

The color of the moon surface
The size of Earth in on to the other
The speed of travel over the surface

That moon surface looked like someOne selected it and desaturated it, in One the Earth is quite big and the other quite small, and in the Earthset the surface moved much more quickly than in the Earthrise.

Both looked like composites.

[Primus58]

In trying to find something wrong so that I wouldn't appear too stupid LOL, I did note the FULL earth rise as opposed to the Gibbous earth set on the same day, which seems wrong if it takes the moon 29.5 days to orbit earth (synodic period). When using Google Earth's Moon feature, I notice many of those JAXA videos tagged to the moon. looking at Jaxa's YouTube page, you can see a slight changes in the color, I'm not sure if that's due to a filter they use or what.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

[Amaterasu]

In trying to find something wrong so that I wouldn't appear too stupid LOL, I did note the FULL earth rise as opposed to the Gibbous earth set on the same day, which seems wrong if it takes the moon 29.5 days to orbit earth (synodic period). When using Google Earth's Moon feature, I notice many of those JAXA videos tagged to the moon. looking at Jaxa's YouTube page, you can see a slight changes in the color, I'm not sure if that's due to a filter they use or what.

Good catch!  I thought about that after I had posted but was busy.

[ShotInTheDark]

Remember Japan is Number one in the world at making video Games. The Worlds they create in the gaming industry for The Xbox360, PS3, and PC Games look remarkably real especially in HD.
I think the Kaguya was made by one of their best video game manufacturers they are the best at creating virtual worlds!! The moon would be easy for them to create. Does The Kaguya footage match what we had seen with the NASA Orbiters no it does not.

[ArMaP]

The video taken during the Kaguya/Selene mission was not really part of the mission, it was a publicity job by NHK, they are the copyright owners.

[ArMaP]

Does The Kaguya footage match what we had seen with the NASA Orbiters no it does not.

Some examples would be good.

[ShotInTheDark]

Some examples would be good.

That is a good idea. Still of vids would be easy to get Lear has a collection of pre 1970 Moon images that is 2nd to none. I was originally was schooled by Lear on Kaguya on OMF and it was about the comparison between The Kaguya video stills  and Orbiter pic of Tsiolkovsky.

Tsiolkovsky is where the EMV is on the moon and they were very different in texture and color!!
Tsiolkovsky is amazing It had been determined that a very large Electro Magnetic Vehicle (EMV) was the in the center of Tsiolkovsky.
Give me some time to post some vids or Pics. I have to do some research this is good stuff!!   

[zorgon]

Okay left ya at it for a bit....

So looking at those two OP Videos... does anyone in here still think those are really the moon?

Look at the spacecraft orbit...  It passed over the moon effectively in a north/south orbit crossing over the poles...

Look at the angle of the sun  (graphic at start of each video....)

When the craft is at 'high noon there would be no shadows below... or very little...

As the spacecraft crosses the pole and heads to the terminator the shadows should be long like they are at sunset...

Watch the videos again...

THERE IS NO CHANGE OF ANY OF THE SHADOWS

Not even a minor little shift...

It's like the moon below is a still photo...   

[Vandalis]

Well we know that the moon has colour. So where did it go to if the Kaguya footage is real? lol Ive thought it to be a model or somthign since i first saw it. I mean it really looks fake.

It seems that technology is getting worse if a a modern satalite cant outdo the older ones like Clementine or LO. I mean where are all the real HD colour photos? There hiding them somewhere

What i dont get is why they hid the colour in the first place? Now they have to fake footage or paint over it everytime they take a picture lol.

[Amaterasu]

So looking at those two OP Videos... does anyone in here still think those are really the moon?

Highly unlikely.  Or they are from some other shots...  Most likely a 3D model, I'm thinking.  Definitely NOT real footage.

They do lie to Us, don't They?

[ArMaP]

Look at the angle of the sun  (graphic at start of each video....)

I don't think that's supposed to show the angle of the sun, only to give an idea where the Earth, Moon and Kaguya/Selene were.

When the craft is at 'high noon there would be no shadows below... or very little...

Only if the sun was behind Kaguya/Selene. We can see by the shadows that the sun was to one side.

As the spacecraft crosses the pole and heads to the terminator the shadows should be long like they are at sunset...

No, in the same way here on Earth it's the same time of day from north to south (and vice-versa), but we can see that it gets darker closer to the poles.

THERE IS NO CHANGE OF ANY OF THE SHADOWS

The sun was perpendicular to the movement of Kaguya/Selene, there wasn't any reason for the shadows to change noticeably. If the sun was shining from the west while Kaguya/Selene was moving from north to south (or south to north), the shadows would always be projected from west to east, with the only possible change in position coming from the angle of the axis of rotation of the Moon.