Disclosure: Sooner Rather Than Later?

[zorgon]

How do we know our gubmint has sold us out at all...could they be as clueless as many of us are, and why would any self respecting ET race make any pacts with such a ridiculous dysfunctional leadership as we have here.

I heard a comment the other day from someone that has been as close to the Government UFO scene as possible. (Yes I will make a thread soon)

He told about the Iranian(Tehran) UFO incident... That was the documented case where jets were disabled and then turned back on...

What he said that made me stop and rethink my position was this.

"I know of beam weapons that we have that can turn OFF a jet, however I am unaware of any that we have that can turn them back on"

Think about that and I will do that thread tomorrow (I am also waiting for the tape to do a proper transcript so I don't misquote anyone )

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

It's never going to happen.
Obama is not going to drop support for israel sine it was those same jewish wall street bankers who put him there (with help from Hillary) and he's definitely not going to disclose the ET agenda, that's assuming he knows the full story, which i doubt.

They want this recession to happen, they want us on our knees so we will agree to all those draconian measures they have in store. As regards to 'doing something while we still have government' i think it's already gone too far for that.
I think we should tear it down & start again.....
Not that i am promoting active resistance, we don't need to, it will come down on it's own.

What we need to be doing is promoting a free energy, self sufficient culture, based on resources and not little green bits of paper. The frontline of this renaissance is technology and disclosure, those 2 things we need to do ourselves, not wait for some gov. to do it for us (because that's never going to happen)

How do we know our gubmint has sold us out at all...could they be as clueless as many of us are, and why would any self respecting ET race make any pacts with such a ridiculous dysfunctional leadership as we have here.

Right,and the way things are going, we probably know more than they do already LOL
My main concern is that Earth is still full of rich pickings (especially water) and the only thing that's spoiling it are those pesky humans on the surface...
Maybe ET wants to send the gardeners in, but they have to wait for our military-industrial complex to collapse first.

And, dont even mention the religious complications of the Vatican losing their iron grip on the western civilization.

Theyll act like a little girl deprived of it's barbie doll, and lash out in a many fingered hand of doom.

They probably will
The gov. cannot disclose anything, it's their last grip on power, and they will never give that up...

"Disclosure" to people in the conspiracy world means only one thing. A Government announcement that Aliens are real and we have been dealing with them. NOTHING else would be accepted

Knowledge on a personal level is not disclosure... it is simply knowing the truth. whether by experience (abduction, close encounter) or by channeling (but you might have channeled LOKI ) or by hard research. You may know for sure they are out there, but unless you can produce one your in the same boat as the government... knowing the truth but not being able to talk about it and be believed

Yep, that's about right
Can't wait to see that thread Z!

[SarK0Y]

Amici, Just a kind of rhetorical question: why hi-tech Advanced Guys would be needed to sign up  any contracts w/ politicians? disclosure is impossible because politicians, cia, pentagon, $-clans & so on have known Nothing about Ancient Brothers  no one even can prove their existence

[Littleenki]

Amici, Just a kind of rhetorical question: why hi-tech Advanced Guys would be needed to sign up  any contracts w/ politicians? disclosure is impossible because politicians, cia, pentagon, $-clans & so on have known Nothing about Ancient Brothers  no one even can prove their existence

Ding Ding Ding!
Gold for that Sarkoy!
Le

[Pimander]

disclosure is impossible because politicians, cia, pentagon, $-clans & so on have known Nothing about Ancient Brothers  no one even can prove their existence

If true that would make it impossible for them to disclose.  That doesn't mean nobody can prove it.

[IRCyborg]

"I know of beam weapons that we have that can turn OFF a jet, however I am unaware of any that we have that can turn them back on"

Such a 'beam' is nothing special and does not imply that such a device is ET made or shared.

It is rather simple to create a directed EMP device and you don't need much more than some neo-mags, some copper wire and some li-pol batteries.

We figured out what an EMP could do in '45 in Alamagordo.  Old hat... 

That is for a 'beam' that can stop electronics from working....

....a beam that can turn them back on, well that would be one heck of a trick. 

[zorgon]

Such a 'beam' is nothing special and does not imply that such a device is ET made or shared.

Didn't say it was ET... he said it was ours and yes its old hat

....a beam that can turn them back on, well that would be one heck of a trick. 

THAT was his point

[SarK0Y]

If true that would make it impossible for them to disclose.  That doesn't mean nobody can prove it.

Pimander, if Time is only 1D Space, we can prove their existence because of Artifacts like GPs. but some theories have called Time as HD Space, therefor we can have paradox of causes & consequences(effects). 

ADD: even Time is really 1D Space, but two-way -- paradox been possible too.

[Eighthman]

"I beseech thee in the bowels of Christ, think it possible ye may be mistaken".

First, if there are 57 different flavors of aliens ( is it up to over 200 now?), then making a deal with one or two doesn't mean much.

Second, think about Competitive Disclosure:  if you're a US leader, do you want the US to be number 2, 3, or 4 on disclosing ET existence? And maybe losing out on being the contact nation or 'go to' guys for alien interface? 

Should the US goverment simply allow more and more credible authorities - scientists, ranking military or the like coming forward to establish the reality of this situation - with Federal authorities pretending it isn't happening?

American hegemony is breaking down, as can be seen from the recent conduct of China, Russia and even Iran.  How much longer will they be willing to keep the lid on this situation?

Culturally, I don't see that India and China have much problem with disclosure. China is about half atheist and India just tacks ET's onto the Hindu pantheon.

Take a good look at today's news:  Europe is coming apart with street violence.  Time is running out for doing disclosure in the midst of stable authority.

And Israel?  Perhaps some on this board are familiar with the recent rumor that US intelligence agencies and think tank experts are circulating a document that speaks of preparing for a "post Israel Middle East".  This dovetails with what Obama is doing in distancing the country from Israel.  The Zionist bankers aren't in charge any more and if you believe that the recent coincidence of Middle east violence was triggered to push on Obama, it's failed. The polls say so.

In one bold move, the President could change everything..... permanently.

[petrus4]

So we can have DISCLOSURE

And so we can look at the skeptics and say NEENER NEENER TOLD YA SO

I will admit that being able to rub skeptics' noses in it would be highly enjoyable, if equally petty and juvenile.

[Littleenki]

I will admit that being able to rub skeptics' noses in it would be highly enjoyable, if equally petty and juvenile.

Or even use one of these on them....

Personally, disclosure would be welcome in my house...should I put on some coffee?

Le

[A51Watcher]

Sooner Rather Than Later?

Nope...

Never.


Various reasons for reluctance have been put forth throughout the years -

Collapse of religion, economy, public panic and chaos were good props to make a great sky is falling case against disclosure by those in charge.


Zorgon has mentioned how technology advances are NEVER voluntarily disclosed, even on earth made technologies, let alone ones as advanced as these.


I submit the real reason is the weapons capability both from those found on- board the craft, as well as the weapons capability of the fuel.

We have enough in our possession to crack the planet in 1/2.



Disclosure will never come voluntarily in our lifetime.



p.s. the POTUS does not have the clearance to disclose anything.

They are all treated like office temps (which they are), whose opinion counts for nothing. They will soon be gone from the stage while the lifers continue their lifelong duties and projects of interplanetary matters.


Congressman Steven Schiff thought he would have a go at them, but he suddenly wound up quite ill and six feet under.

[zorgon]

Well there actually WAS a bit of real disclosure at that Lecture... and if I ever get time I will post it

But seriously... I am waiting for a copy of the video John's friend took that night and a copy of the entire event so I can
a) quote correctly and not from memory
b) have the proof they did say it

But I will outline a few key points I found very revealing...

Sorry but patience... to much other stuff going on to focus. But it will be soon I promise

[biggles]

Aaw, I typed a darn post and it disappeared, when I went to look Zorgon's post come up and I thought I'm sure I'm not Zorgon.

[zorgon]

Aaw, I typed a darn post and it disappeared,

When two people post at the same time you will see a pink warning at the top of your post that reads Warning someone posted while you were typing...

So always take a minute to see if that post actually went ahead and you don't have the pink bar

Also the forum is set by default to allow cached posts. That means as long as you have the tab open you can use the back button to recover your post