Disclosure: Sooner Rather Than Later?

[Littleenki]

Petrus, were all the instances of your abductions experienced as dreams..some of Jacob's factors sound very familiar.

Also, the case of having the same dream over and over for years or actually picking up where the last dream left off is very common for me.

Not that I feel Ive been abducted, but some things in my dreams are just not jiving with events and feelings in my life.

Cheers!

[Eighthman]

This popped up on American Kabuki.  It's some sort of UFO gameshow in Japan.  It's exactly the sort of thing I hope to see more of :  ET's and UFO's encountering amusement, curiosity - but not fear or panic.

[petrus4]

Petrus, were all the instances of your abductions experienced as dreams..some of Jacob's factors sound very familiar.

Yes.  The one thing you never forget is the smell; other abductees have mentioned it as well.  I'd describe it as somewhere between rubber and carrion.  The Greys do not have an internal digestive tract like us, so they turn meat of some kind into a paste, and then spread it along their arms, where it is absorbed through the skin.

[Eighthman]

Such a smell could be very significant.  There was a book on consciousness that told told people how they could tell a hallucination from something real. The answer was consider 'bandwidth' issues: can you feel it, smell it, taste it or hear it - as well as see it?

Getting a hallucination consistent with other senses gets tricky.

More evidence that abductions are real.

[petrus4]

Such a smell could be very significant.  There was a book on consciousness that told told people how they could tell a hallucination from something real. The answer was consider 'bandwidth' issues: can you feel it, smell it, taste it or hear it - as well as see it?

This is true, Eighthman.  The other thing that distinguishes dreams which are just the proverbial mental defrag for me, is that in them, I don't consciously make decisions.  I'm just running on autopilot.  Dreams can occasionally be visually hazy or foggy, as well.

Astral projection is different again.  In the case of OBEs, there have been four factors for me:-

a}  Visibly heightened levels colour saturation; much higher than either dreams or waking reality.  Colours are much, much deeper.

b}  Lucidity.  I virtually never have lucid dreams which are not OBEs.  I will be as fully conscious in an OBE as I am while typing these words right now.

c}  Usually the noted and confirmable (via identification on waking) presence of spirits of the dead.  I have been visited by my paternal grandfather, who died the year I was born.  I have also been invited to the Afterlife construct of Jay Van Andel, one of the two founders of Amway Corporation, as his way of offering me a personal apology for our involvement with Amway, having largely been responsible for the destruction of my family.  Jay was someone who apparently believed very strongly in the Capitalist ideal, and also had genuinely and strongly positive intentions, with regards to what he wanted Amway to enable people to do for themselves.

d}  Rarity.  OBEs do not happen often for me, and they seem to require the energy derived from sex (with positive emotional gratification involved) as a catalyst.  Virtually all of my experiences in this regard happened during my relationship with my sole ex-girlfriend, and usually also immediately after we had had sex.

I have seen that I have potential in this regard, all false modesty aside, but I am not really trained.  As a result, to the extent that I *do* astrally project, it happens entirely spontaneously.  I do not have the ability to recreate the experience at will.  While I have at times attempted to consciously induce it, the early stages of the seperation process tend to cause sufficiently high levels of fear and panic that I will always abort.

[Eighthman]

This may sound a bit strange but I came to this site seeking answers........  I guess I could say that I just can't hallucinate nor have any bizarre personal experiences inspite of trying (apart from hard drugs that I've never attempted, I suppose).  I also am immune to marijuana (aside from coughing, nothing happens).

So, I have to depend on others to tell me about NDE's or OBE's or how the walls 'breathe' in an LSD flashback.  I have no personal experience to judge such things but am open to all possibilities.

Funny as this sounds, I envy people like Robert Monroe or many of you guys because I seem to be hard bound to this reality.  I once had a long conversation with an NDE guy who impressed me with the phrase 'more real than real'.

[Pimander]

I could give you a NDE.  However, I would have to supervise you as it involves 2 drugs and it isn't safe without someone who knows what they are doing.

[Eighthman]

Attractive as that may sound, I'd prefer not to risk a DE while trying to experience an NDE

[Pimander]

Attractive as that may sound, I'd prefer not to risk a DE while trying to experience an NDE

It isn't for the feint hearted.  Have you seen the movie flat-liners?



OK, it isn't that dramatic.  But it really was frightening.  The truth is some things you are supposed to find out when you die.

Life changing?  Yes.  I won't ruin the surprise for anyone by posting what you find out.  Do I wish I hadn't done it.  Sometimes as it is supposed to be part of life to not know.  If I had a choice would I not know.  Not a chance. 

[PLAYSWITHMACHINES]

Thanks for that wonderful post, Sky!

Ah, the destiny part of Scorpio. There is a drive that lurks deep within that powers the spirit with dogged determination even at the darkest of dawns.

I'm a Cancer myself, but i know what you mean

Passion is the substrate of creativity.

Well said, and soooo true...

Lock on, Luke, and trust the Force.

I do, i do

Do not attempt to measure your work output. If you do, you might believe you're being careless or negligent. Instead, work with what captures your attention in the moment. Run with it until your attention wanes, and is so doing, work faster and more accurately than humanly possible - or so you used to believe. (Yes, Mercury is retrograde. Hire an editor/fact checker it that makes you feel comfortable.)

My credo, that...

Very informative, i guess i'm priveledged to have had an NDE, but not something i would like to repeat
yes, it changed my life in many ways. I would like to be able to voluntarily leave my body, but i will never get the peace (inner & outer) that is required. Also, emptying my mind is equally impossible, as more comes in than goes out, even when i'm asleep!

I leave this to those that can, who can report back to us mere mortals what it's like......

[stealthyaroura]

I heard a comment the other day from someone that has been as close to the Government UFO scene as possible. (Yes I will make a thread soon)

He told about the Iranian(Tehran) UFO incident... That was the documented case where jets were disabled and then turned back on...

What he said that made me stop and rethink my position was this.

"I know of beam weapons that we have that can turn OFF a jet, however I am unaware of any that we have that can turn them back on"

Think about that and I will do that thread tomorrow (I am also waiting for the tape to do a proper transcript so I don't misquote anyone )

i think what is happening here like the story's of cars stalling only to start back up after
a UFO encounter,note they never mention turning the ignition? just that the car started
again and carried on it's journey.
As in the jet case,what i think the best explanation maybe is time itself is stopped/suspended.
so jets,combustion engines,electronics are mealy in suspended animation until time is again re established. you follow?

[The Seeker]

There are many things we are hidden from as part of being on this side of the veil; the main benefit of my death experience is that I am convinced that this journey here in this meat suit is but a tiny step on the long road we all travel together; that we choose the major outline of events and happenings we will experience; that we are in school, for want of a better term...

we are far more than even most could imagine, more than most are willing to admit...


seeker

[Pimander]

[zorgon]

A child in kindergarten has no need to think about a doctorates degree in college

Simple as that   

[sky otter]

Posted by:  PLAYSWITHMACHINES
I would like to be able to voluntarily leave my body, but i will never get the peace (inner & outer) that is required. Also, emptying my mind is equally impossible, as more comes in than goes out, even when i'm asleep!


Posted by: Eighthman
Funny as this sounds, I envy people like Robert Monroe or many of you guys because I seem to be hard bound to this reality.  I once had a long conversation with an NDE guy who impressed me with the phrase 'more real than real'.

can i mentioin meditation to you guys?..the possibilities are endless